The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kid Buu]

SSJ2 Cell Games Gohan Vs. Saiyaman Arc Vegeta.

Z-Sword SS2 Gohan Vs. Saiyaman Arc Vegeta.

[Super Vegetto]

SSJ2 Cell Games Gohan Vs. Saiyaman Arc Vegeta.

Z-Sword SS2 Gohan Vs. Saiyaman Arc Vegeta.

Gohan > Vegeta

Gohan > Vegeta

[MDSTSSJ]

SSJ2 Cell Games Gohan Vs. Saiyaman Arc Vegeta.

Vegeta because have better fighting skills!

Z-Sword SS2 Gohan Vs. Saiyaman Arc Vegeta.

Vegeta still wins!

[dbzfan7]

SSJ2 Cell Games Gohan Vs. Saiyaman Arc Vegeta.

Z-Sword SS2 Gohan Vs. Saiyaman Arc Vegeta.

Gohan wins both times.

[Gogeta8001]

RSSJ Broly VS Dabura

[dbzfan7]

RSSJ Broly VS Dabura

Dabura wins.

[Gogeta8001]

RSSJ Broly VS Dabura

Dabura wins.

Ehh, I have Broly just a little bit stronger TBH. Only by a very small amount mind you.

Dabura: 9,100,000,000
RSSJ Broly: 9,180,000,000

But he's too much of an idiot to expect Dabura's spit That's probably going to be the deciding factor in the fight.

SSJ2 Vegito VS Super Baby Vegeta (or Final Form Baby Vegeta if you think it's too much of an easy fight for Vegito)

[Kaboom]

Super Vegetto's officially considered more-or-less as powerful as Super Saiyan 4 Goku from GT. So he just as easily smacks around any form of Baby-Vegeta that isn't a giant monkey.

[KentalSSJ6]

Super Vegetto's officially considered more-or-less as powerful as Super Saiyan 4 Goku from GT. So he just as easily smacks around any form of Baby-Vegeta that isn't a giant monkey.

Speaking of, I've yet to read your GT Revised. Where do you place SSJ4 in it?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Super Vegetto's officially considered more-or-less as powerful as Super Saiyan 4 Goku from GT. So he just as easily smacks around any form of Baby-Vegeta that isn't a giant monkey.

Aaaaaaaactually, the GT perfect files only claim Vegetto is generally more or less as powerful as SSJ4. There's no mention of Super Vegetto or SSJ4 Goku specifically.

[Gogeta8001]

Super Vegetto's officially considered more-or-less as powerful as Super Saiyan 4 Goku from GT. So he just as easily smacks around any form of Baby-Vegeta that isn't a giant monkey.

Are you forgetting that Super Baby Vegeta was stated to be the strongest ki Goku felt? That puts him above SSJ Vegito for sure. Top it off with his othe transformation and it's a stomp. The power chain IMO is somewaht like this.

SSJ2 Vegito >>> Final Form Baby Vegeta > Super Baby Vegeta > SSJ Vegito >= Base Baby Vegeta >= SSJ3 GT Goku

[TheMightyOzaru]

SSJ2 Vegito VS Super Baby Vegeta (or Final Form Baby Vegeta if you think it's too much of an easy fight for Vegito)

Super Vegetto beats Final Form Bebi Vegeta. SSJ2 is just overkill....

RSSJ Broly VS Dabura

From movie 8? Dabura creams him.

[goku the krump dancer]

......

Eh, Agree to disagree.. we already sound like broken records. And there's better conversations that call for my attention.

However

Goku at 3 million puts up a decent fight against Freeza who's using somewhere between a tenth to a fourth of his full power so any where between 12 million and 30 million.

Okay, so now you're just outright making shit up. Cool.

This is nothing I made up. When was the last time you watched or read this fight? I implore you to read the manga again or pull the clip up, whatever your forte is.

Goku and Freeza were trading blows fairly evenly in the beginning of the fight even though Freeza had a slight advantage.

Once they got serious Goku started getting his ass beat.

Goku's full power was a Kaioken x10 right? right. which would put his PL at 30 million.

Half of Freeza's full power of 120 million is 60 million.

At that point in the battle Freeza was only twice as strong as Goku and was handily beating the tar out him.

If Freeza was using a 4th of his full power in the beginning then his PL was 30 million.. equal to Goku's full power and 10 times stronger than Goku's base power.

If Freeza was using a tenth of his full power in the beginning then his Pl would be 12 million.. four times greater than Goku's base power.

Not matter how you slice it, Goku was trading blows with a guy who was more than twice as strong as he was. Yet later on, he was getting his ass kicked by the same guy but only now he was only twice as strong.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Freeza wasn't using a tenth of his power. That's never stated.... ever....

[Rocketman]

Super Vegetto's officially considered more-or-less as powerful as Super Saiyan 4 Goku from GT. So he just as easily smacks around any form of Baby-Vegeta that isn't a giant monkey.

Aaaaaaaactually, the GT perfect files only claim Vegetto is generally more or less as powerful as SSJ4. There's no mention of Super Vegetto or SSJ4 Goku specifically.

So obviously base Vegetto is roughly equal to SS4 Goku.

[KentalSSJ6]

Krump Dancer, Goku's Kaioken was X20 when he fired his Kamehameha at Freeza. So Goku was at 60 million and at the time, equaling Freeza which also explains Freeza taking Goku's blows and putting real effort into repelling his Kamehameha.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Super Vegetto's officially considered more-or-less as powerful as Super Saiyan 4 Goku from GT. So he just as easily smacks around any form of Baby-Vegeta that isn't a giant monkey.

Aaaaaaaactually, the GT perfect files only claim Vegetto is generally more or less as powerful as SSJ4. There's no mention of Super Vegetto or SSJ4 Goku specifically.

So obviously base Vegetto is roughly equal to SS4 Goku.

If you want to believe that, go for it. I think he needs SSJ3 to beat him.

[goku the krump dancer]

Freeza wasn't using a tenth of his power. That's never stated.... ever....

I never said it was stated, but it was confirmed that he wasn't using %50 in the beginning. So its really up in the air, I was just giving an example.

[Gogeta8001]

Aaaaaaaactually, the GT perfect files only claim Vegetto is generally more or less as powerful as SSJ4. There's no mention of Super Vegetto or SSJ4 Goku specifically.

So obviously base Vegetto is roughly equal to SS4 Goku.
If you want to believe that, go for it. I think he needs SSJ3 to beat him.

I personally think SSJ3 won't be able to beat him but each to their own I guess.

All I know is Super Baby Vegeta > Super Vegito as seen by Goku's statement in the Baby Saga. Whatever was said in the GT Perfect Files doesn't invalidate that.

[Kaboom]

Aaaaaaaactually, the GT perfect files only claim Vegetto is generally more or less as powerful as SSJ4. There's no mention of Super Vegetto or SSJ4 Goku specifically.

While the part about Vegetto doesn't specifically say what state they're referring to, wouldn't the most obvious choice be the one he actually did his fighting in? Also, the citation in question was from the TV anime comic adaptation of the GT special, not one of the Perfect Files books, and at the time the only Super Saiyan 4 around was Baby-arc Goku.

So there's some conjecture at play, but the simplest interpretation seems to be "SSJ4 GT Goku ~ Super Vegetto."

Speaking of, I've yet to read your GT Revised. Where do you place SSJ4 in it?

I haven't gotten that far yet (and sometimes wonder if I ever will), but I guess it wouldn't be mega-spoilery to say that A) GTR's Super Saiyan 4 will be about 1000x stronger than one's normal state, and B) with it in the story, Goku could kick Gohan-Boo's ass.

Are you forgetting that Super Baby Vegeta was stated to be the strongest ki Goku felt? That puts him above SSJ Vegito for sure.

Goku said the same thing about Fat Janemba in Movie 12, right before he proceeded to hand Janemba his own big yellow butt on a golden and lightning bolt-covered platter with Super Saiyan 3. These sort of "strongest person I've ever encountered" remarks don't have to include the speaker themselves... and Goku was Vegetto. So the line in question still allows for the Goku/Vegetto statement to ring true.