The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[goku the krump dancer]

So essentially SSJ4 Gogeta is comparable to two Super Vegetto's (or Super Vegetto and Super Gogeta depending on who you ask) fusing together... HOLY FUCK!!

[DBZGTKOSDH]

SSJ2 Cell Games Gohan Vs. Saiyaman Arc Vegeta.

Z-Sword SS2 Gohan Vs. Saiyaman Arc Vegeta.

If Gohan gets angry (in both fights), he wins. Otherwise, he loses.

RSSJ Broly VS Dabura

Dabra easily destroys Broli.

SSJ2 Vegito VS Super Baby Vegeta (or Final Form Baby Vegeta if you think it's too much of an easy fight for Vegito)

Vegetto easily destroys any form of Baby (except Oozaru Baby) in Super Saiyan, and easily destroys Oozaru Baby in Super Saiyan 2.

Are you forgetting that Super Baby Vegeta was stated to be the strongest ki Goku felt? That puts him above SSJ Vegito for sure.

Goku said the same thing about Fat Janemba in Movie 12, right before he proceeded to hand Janemba his own big yellow butt on a golden and lightning bolt-covered platter with Super Saiyan 3. These sort of "strongest person I've ever encountered" remarks don't have to include the speaker themselves... and Goku was Vegetto. So the line in question still allows for the Goku/Vegetto statement to ring true.

I would also like to add that while Rou Kaioshin says that SS4 Goku is the strongest ki he ever felt (or something like that), Super Vegetto wasn't going all-out against Boo, so since Super Vegetto was suppressed, and since his full power is around SS4 Goku's level, it means that Super Vegetto was fighting at a level below SS4 Goku.

[Rocketman]

Base Vegetto's resting power in his brief seconds before transforming is superior to SS4 Goku.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Base Vegetto's resting power in his brief seconds before transforming is superior to SS4 Goku.

Rou Kaioshin disagrees.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Freeza wasn't using a tenth of his power. That's never stated.... ever....

I never said it was stated, but it was confirmed that he wasn't using %50 in the beginning. So its really up in the air, I was just giving an example.

You said Goku was putting up a fight against someone at least twice as strong. That's a load of crap.

I personally think SSJ3 won't be able to beat him but each to their own I guess.

SSJ3 Vegetto crushes the entirety of GT, but stops at Super Yi Xing Long. Also, Goku may state Bebi is the strongest in the universe, but Vegetto isn't around now is he? He's merely stating he's the strongest in the universe at this moment in time.

Aaaaaaaactually, the GT perfect files only claim Vegetto is generally more or less as powerful as SSJ4. There's no mention of Super Vegetto or SSJ4 Goku specifically.

While the part about Vegetto doesn't specifically say what state they're referring to, wouldn't the most obvious choice be the one he actually did his fighting in? Also, the citation in question was from the TV anime comic adaptation of the GT special, not one of the Perfect Files books, and at the time the only Super Saiyan 4 around was Baby-arc Goku.

So there's some conjecture at play, but the simplest interpretation seems to be "SSJ4 GT Goku ~ Super Vegetto."

Well, SSJ4 Goku, for me, scaled higher than SSJ2 Vegetto so I just view it generally. The TV anime comic also says might be stronger, so there's that I suppose. Might isn't concrete. I have the guys here:
Super Vegetto: 4,000,000,000,000
SSJ2 Vegetto: 8,000,000,000,000
SSJ3 Vegetto: 32,000,000,000,000
SSJ4 GT Goku: 16,000,000,000,000

[goku the krump dancer]

Freeza wasn't using a tenth of his power. That's never stated.... ever....

I never said it was stated, but it was confirmed that he wasn't using %50 in the beginning. So its really up in the air, I was just giving an example.

You said Goku was putting up a fight against someone at least twice as strong. That's a load of crap.

REREAD my post! I said Goku was getting beaten up by someone who was TWICE as strong as he was, even though moments earlier he was holding his own against said person who was then more than twice as stronger.

[RandomGuy96]

Broly can turn LSS and Dabra would still win. He wouldn't even need magic if this is Movie 8 Broly.

SS2 Vegetto splatters any form of Baby Vegeta.

No krump, you're still outright making things up. Freeze using 1/10 or 1/4 or more than twice as much as Goku was never ever stated or implied, so your whole argument is bullcrap.

[TheMightyOzaru]

REREAD my post! I said Goku was getting beaten up by someone who was TWICE as strong as he was, even though moments earlier he was holding his own against said person who was then more than twice as stronger.

I did read it. Goku and Freeza were dead even initially. I don't know where you're getting this twice as strong crap.

[MDSTSSJ]

SSJ3 Vegetto crushes the entirety of GT, but stops at Super Yi Xing Long. Also, Goku may state Bebi is the strongest in the universe, but Vegetto isn't around now is he? He's merely stating he's the strongest in the universe at this moment in time.

Well, SSJ4 Goku, for me, scaled higher than SSJ2 Vegetto so I just view it generally. The TV anime comic also says might be stronger, so there's that I suppose. Might isn't concrete. I have the guys here:
Super Vegetto: 4,000,000,000,000
SSJ2 Vegetto: 8,000,000,000,000
SSJ3 Vegetto: 32,000,000,000,000
SSJ4 GT Goku: 16,000,000,000,000

Where do you put SSJ4 Kakarotto beyond limits? SSJ4 beyond limits is way way stronger than Yi Xing long and Super Yi Xing Long stated that he is 10 times stronger than before. Maybe Super Yi Xing Long is 2 times stronger than SSJ4 beyond limits? There can be no more difference because the fight lasted long before the Vegeta's arrival and then also last long against those two SSJ4.

I have this SSJ4 beyond limits stronger or equal than SSJ3 Vegetto.

[Gogeta8001]

RSSJ Broly VS Dabura

Dabra easily destroys Broli.

What makes you think that? RSSJ Broly was stronger than MSSJ Goku who was on Buu Saga SSJ Gohan's level who was ~ Dabura. It's a much closer fight than your making it sound out to be.

SSJ2 Vegito VS Super Baby Vegeta (or Final Form Baby Vegeta if you think it's too much of an easy fight for Vegito)

Vegetto easily destroys any form of Baby (except Oozaru Baby) in Super Saiyan, and easily destroys Oozaru Baby in Super Saiyan 2.

Theres simply no logical way to have SSJ Vegito on SSJ4 Goku's level.

GT Goku (Baby Saga) already surpassed Buuhan. Top that all of with another 3 SSJ transformations, he still wasn't able to beat Base Baby Vegeta.

Baby Vegeta transforms and Goku calls him the strongest ki he's ever felt. That's all the evidence you need for Super Baby Vegeta > SSJ Vegito. Forget about the nonsense logic the GT Perfect Files used. THat's all the evidence you need. Having Baby under that is flat out ridiculous.

/caseclosed

[Kaboom]

Theres simply no logical way to have SSJ Vegito on SSJ4 Goku's level.
GT Goku (Baby Saga) already surpassed Buuhan. Top that all of with another 3 SSJ transformations, he still wasn't able to beat Base Baby Vegeta.
Baby Vegeta transforms and Goku calls him the strongest ki he's ever felt. That's all the evidence you need for Super Baby Vegeta > SSJ Vegito. Forget about the nonsense logic the GT Perfect Files used. THat's all the evidence you need. Having Baby under that is flat out ridiculous.
/caseclosed

It's fine if you don't want to subscribe to the idea yourself, but there's no denying that what the GT special's anime comic suggested is at least a workable possibility and explainable in the ways I and others have suggested.

[KentalSSJ6]

So..have we established a agreement that GT Goku in SSJ4 surpasses Vegito?

Or have we established a agreement that SSJ4 for Z Goku would put him on the same level as Vegito?

[TheGmGoken]

So..have we established a agreement that GT Goku in SSJ4 surpasses Vegito?

Or have we established a agreement that SSJ4 for Z Goku would put him on the same level as Vegito?

Goku SSj4 is equal to or slightly weaker to Vegetto IMO. Seems fitting. Besides pretty sure Gt Goku isn't as strong as every makes him out to be. Yes he oped but some people go overboard.

[hleV]

So..have we established a agreement that GT Goku in SSJ4 surpasses Vegito?

Or have we established a agreement that SSJ4 for Z Goku would put him on the same level as Vegito?

I think we have an establishment that Vegetto is perhaps stronger than GT SS4 Goku. But then this statement only touches the anime (as it comes from a GT-related source), and may not necessarily be applicable to the manga continuity's characters, as I don't trust the anime characters to necessarily have the same powers as their manga counterparts. So manga Vegetto may not be around GT SS4 Goku's level of power (I have Vegetto way stronger personally, following manga-focused SEG's Vegetto = Goku x Vegeta).

[TheMightyOzaru]

SSJ3 Vegetto crushes the entirety of GT, but stops at Super Yi Xing Long. Also, Goku may state Bebi is the strongest in the universe, but Vegetto isn't around now is he? He's merely stating he's the strongest in the universe at this moment in time.

Well, SSJ4 Goku, for me, scaled higher than SSJ2 Vegetto so I just view it generally. The TV anime comic also says might be stronger, so there's that I suppose. Might isn't concrete. I have the guys here:
Super Vegetto: 4,000,000,000,000
SSJ2 Vegetto: 8,000,000,000,000
SSJ3 Vegetto: 32,000,000,000,000
SSJ4 GT Goku: 16,000,000,000,000

Where do you put SSJ4 Kakarotto beyond limits? SSJ4 beyond limits is way way stronger than Yi Xing long and Super Yi Xing Long stated that he is 10 times stronger than before. Maybe Super Yi Xing Long is 2 times stronger than SSJ4 beyond limits? There can be no more difference because the fight lasted long before the Vegeta's arrival and then also last long against those two SSJ4.

I have this SSJ4 beyond limits stronger or equal than SSJ3 Vegetto.

Beyond Limits would be 34,400,000,000,000. A little stronger than SSJ3 Vegetto.

[KentalSSJ6]

So..have we established a agreement that GT Goku in SSJ4 surpasses Vegito?

Or have we established a agreement that SSJ4 for Z Goku would put him on the same level as Vegito?

I think we have an establishment that Vegetto is perhaps stronger than GT SS4 Goku. But then this statement only touches the anime (as it comes from a GT-related source), and may not necessarily be applicable to the manga continuity's characters, as I don't trust the anime characters to necessarily have the same powers as their manga counterparts. So manga Vegetto may not be around GT SS4 Goku's level of power (I have Vegetto way stronger personally, following manga-focused SEG's Vegetto = Goku x Vegeta).

I can see both happening honestly. As strong as GT Goku is, giving him a possible X4,000 multiplier could put him above Super Vegito, or at least I think so. SSJ4 Goku would have indeed killed Omega and pretty much did, with Omega's plot device regeneration being the only reason he came back.

I dont know if we have a accurate or officialy Potara earring equation like Goku X Vegeta X rival boost or whatever but again, giving Z Buu Saga/BoG/EoZ Goku a X4,000 multiplier could put him at least around Super Vegito if not at least equal him. Again thats my opinion so I'm not flat out stating he could and/or would.

[TheMightyOzaru]

The whole Potara is A x B isn't a fact, but people can use it if they want. It's just said that it's like multiplication. I personally don't differentiate between the strength of anime and manga Vegetto because I see no point in doing so.

[KentalSSJ6]

The whole Potara is A x B isn't a fact, but people can use it if they want. It's just said that it's like multiplication. I personally don't differentiate between the strength of anime and manga Vegetto because I see no point in doing so.

Well you pretty much live in the unofficial power level thread, how would you list the Potara earring multiplication or however it works?

[TheMightyOzaru]

The whole Potara is A x B isn't a fact, but people can use it if they want. It's just said that it's like multiplication. I personally don't differentiate between the strength of anime and manga Vegetto because I see no point in doing so.

Well you pretty much live in the unofficial power level thread, how would you list the Potara earring multiplication or however it works?

I just go by A x 100. A x 1,000 for rivals.

[Gogeta8001]

So..have we established a agreement that GT Goku in SSJ4 surpasses Vegito?

Or have we established a agreement that SSJ4 for Z Goku would put him on the same level as Vegito?

I think we have an establishment that Vegetto is perhaps stronger than GT SS4 Goku. But then this statement only touches the anime (as it comes from a GT-related source), and may not necessarily be applicable to the manga continuity's characters, as I don't trust the anime characters to necessarily have the same powers as their manga counterparts. So manga Vegetto may not be around GT SS4 Goku's level of power (I have Vegetto way stronger personally, following manga-focused SEG's Vegetto = Goku x Vegeta).

1) We have made no such agreement. Alll you guys are doing is using the GT Perfect Files as your basis where as i'm using actual facts from the show.

How can Baby be any less lower than Vegito? GT Base Goku already surpassed Buuhan. After tranforming another 3 times, he still lost to Base Baby Vegeta. By that fact, we know that Base Baby Vegeta should be somewhat weaker than SSJ Vegito as he was capable of beating an opponent that can probably one shot Buuhan. After transforming, he obtained a boost which Goku found significant enough to be the sfrongest power he ever felt. By those facts, it's pretty much certain than Super Baby Vegeta surpassed SSJ Vegito.

But hey, if you want to believe whatever you believe, that's A-Okay with me. I'm just trying to tell you as it is.

2) How can Goku X Vegeta be possible? Think about it. If Potara really was A X B, Kibitoshin should be able to one shot any form of Majin Buu. If that were also the case, Base Vegito would be stronger than Buuhan whom we know is not.

People really need to stop using SEG logic. It's the 2nd worst logic just behind V-Jump logic.