"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

Cause Black in the anime was... more powerful, too powerful tbh, his zenkai's kicks in the moment he gets beat up, while his manga ver seems to take a while before powerups kicks in.

I am talking specifically when Black got beating up by Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta after he trained for six months. Black wouldn't expect someone he just beat up just a day ago to suddenly come back and pushed his face into the dirt, yet he took his beating more calmly than Manga Black, who started yelling.

And he wasn't getting 'zenkai'. Those are specifically giving for near-death and recovering, not just from getting beating up.

[SansrivaaL]

Cause Black in the anime was... more powerful, too powerful tbh, his zenkai's kicks in the moment he gets beat up, while his manga ver seems to take a while before powerups kicks in.

I am talking specifically when Black got beating up by Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta after he trained for six months. Black wouldn't expect someone he just beat up just a day ago to suddenly come back and pushed his face into the dirt, yet he took his beating more calmly than Manga Black, who started yelling.

And he wasn't getting 'zenkai'. Those are specifically giving for near-death and recovering, not just from getting beating up.

Like I said because Black's zenkai's kicks in the moment he gets beat up, unlike his manga counterpart.

Not from how I saw it happen, Black gets stronger everytime he gets his ass kicked, his first fight with Goku and he just took 1 kick then instantly said "this pain will make me stronger" so his zenkai's work in a different way, thats kinda obvious since Goku's and Vegeta's zenkai's dont work like that.

Theres also probably the fact that Black has yet to fight Goku in the manga, he does say that fighting with Goku makes him more powerful, kinda meant in a way that because he learns from Goku since he is using Goku's body.

[TheMikado]

Cause Black in the anime was... more powerful, too powerful tbh, his zenkai's kicks in the moment he gets beat up, while his manga ver seems to take a while before powerups kicks in.

I am talking specifically when Black got beating up by Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta after he trained for six months. Black wouldn't expect someone he just beat up just a day ago to suddenly come back and pushed his face into the dirt, yet he took his beating more calmly than Manga Black, who started yelling.

And he wasn't getting 'zenkai'. Those are specifically giving for near-death and recovering, not just from getting beating up.

Like I said because Black's zenkai's kicks in the moment he gets beat up, unlike his manga counterpart.

Not from how I saw it happen, Black gets stronger everytime he gets his ass kicked, his first fight with Goku and he just took 1 kick then instantly said "this pain will make me stronger" so his zenkai's work in a different way, thats kinda obvious since Goku's and Vegeta's zenkai's dont work like that.

In the manga Blacks Zenkais seem to be more consistent with how Gokus and Vegetas work

[SansrivaaL]

In the manga Blacks Zenkais seem to be more consistent with how Gokus and Vegetas work

Yes that seems to be the case (I kinda like it this way rather than the anime, it felt like the anime was in way of a rush so they instantly let zenkai's for Black kick in the moment he gets beat up, or maybe thats just because they like Black so much and wouldnt want to see him look like a punching bag for too long). Next chapter we'll probably see Black back to his glorious graceful self after achieving SSJR.

[HeroR]

Like I said because Black's zenkai's kicks in the moment he gets beat up, unlike his manga counterpart.

Not from how I saw it happen, Black gets stronger everytime he gets his ass kicked, his first fight with Goku and he just took 1 kick then instantly said "this pain will make me stronger" so his zenkai's work in a different way, thats kinda obvious since Goku's and Vegeta's zenkai's dont work like that.

Theres also probably the fact that Black has yet to fight Goku in the manga, he does say that fighting with Goku makes him more powerful, kinda meant in a way that because he learns from Goku since he is using Goku's body.

And, like I said, it's not a 'zenkai' because they don't work that way, and Trunks notes that Black getting stronger the way he did wasn't normal. If all Black doing was getting 'zenkai', why would Goku, Vegeta, or even Trunks be surprised by Black getting stronger through damage.

He got a boost several minutes after his battle with Goku the first time the fought.

[SansrivaaL]

Like I said because Black's zenkai's kicks in the moment he gets beat up, unlike his manga counterpart.

Not from how I saw it happen, Black gets stronger everytime he gets his ass kicked, his first fight with Goku and he just took 1 kick then instantly said "this pain will make me stronger" so his zenkai's work in a different way, thats kinda obvious since Goku's and Vegeta's zenkai's dont work like that.

Theres also probably the fact that Black has yet to fight Goku in the manga, he does say that fighting with Goku makes him more powerful, kinda meant in a way that because he learns from Goku since he is using Goku's body.

And, like I said, it's not a 'zenkai' because they don't work that way, and Trunks notes that Black getting stronger the way he did wasn't normal. If all Black doing was getting 'zenkai', why would Goku, Vegeta, or even Trunks be surprised by Black getting stronger through damage.

He got a boost several minutes after his battle with Goku the first time the fought.

Ok I dont know what youre trying to prove here, I merely call it zenkai because I have no other way to put it, its a zenkai unique to him since partially he is still a saiyan so what else should it be called? wasnt it obvious? or are you just trying to get on my badside? my bad, then I wont call it zenkai anymore for your sake, forgive my lack of knowledge for what its supposed to be called, so what should I call it oh all knowing one?

Uh yes thats what I just said.

[HeroR]

Ok I dont know what youre trying to prove here, I merely call it zenkai because I have no other way to put it, its a zenkai unique to him since partially he is still a saiyan so what else should it be called? wasnt it obvious? or are you just trying to get on my badside? my bad, then I wont call it zenkai anymore for your sake, forgive my lack of knowledge for what its supposed to be called, so what should I call it oh all knowing one?

Uh yes thats what I just said.

First, 'zenkai' is a fandom term to begin with and it's specifically about Saiyans getting stronger and recovering from near-death. What Black was doing in the anime fits more with the Saiyans' ability to adapt through battle.

In an interview, Toriyama states that Saiyans actually grow stronger during the course of a battle and if their foes are not careful, a Saiyan can turn the tides on them, which is quite different from a Saiyan getting the pissed beating out of them and then recovering. We actually see a bit of this in the anime where Super Saiyan God Goku got stronger through his battle with Beerus and pushed Super Saiyan God to its limits. Vegeta also said that Hit's ability to grow stronger through battle is like a Saiyan and even Krillin said that it is Goku's ability is to adapt and get stronger. Black does that same thing, except much faster, most likely because he's getting used to Goku's body. Also, take note, his biggest jump in power was specifically after he fought Goku and we got flashes of Goku like the intro. Which hints that he big jump happened because Goku's body recognized its old fighting style and adapted it.

[SansrivaaL]

Ok I dont know what youre trying to prove here, I merely call it zenkai because I have no other way to put it, its a zenkai unique to him since partially he is still a saiyan so what else should it be called? wasnt it obvious? or are you just trying to get on my badside? my bad, then I wont call it zenkai anymore for your sake, forgive my lack of knowledge for what its supposed to be called, so what should I call it oh all knowing one?

Uh yes thats what I just said.

First, 'zenkai' is a fandom term to begin with and it's specifically about Saiyans getting stronger and recovering from near-death. What Black was doing in the anime fits more with the Saiyans' ability to adapt through battle.

In an interview, Toriyama states that Saiyans actually grow stronger during the course of a battle and if their foes are not careful, a Saiyan can turn the tides on them, which is quite different from a Saiyan getting the pissed beating out of them and then recovering. We actually see a bit of this in the anime where Super Saiyan God Goku got stronger through his battle with Beerus and pushed Super Saiyan God to its limits. Vegeta also said that Hit's ability to grow stronger through battle is like a Saiyan and even Krillin said that it is Goku's ability is to adapt and get stronger. Black does that same thing, except much faster, most likely because he's getting used to Goku's body. Also, take note, his biggest jump in power was specifically after he fought Goku and we got flashes of Goku like the intro. Which hints that he big jump happened because Goku's body recognized its old fighting style and adapted it.

I know its a fandom term, hence why I use the word which can just mean that its a trait unique to saiyans that they get stronger by every battle and near to death exp they get, thats the whole point of me using the word zenkai but for some reason you're being overly complicated about things.

I know, I said and meant that previously, that theres also the fact that Black has yet to fight Goku in the manga, he does say that fighting with Goku makes him more powerful, kinda meant in a way that because he learns from Goku since he is using Goku's body.

[HeroR]

I know its a fandom term, hence why I use the word which can just mean that its a trait unique to saiyans that they get stronger by every battle and near to death exp they get, thats the whole point of me using the word zenkai but for some reason you're being overly complicated about things.

I know, I said and meant that previously, that theres also the fact that Black has yet to fight Goku in the manga, he does say that fighting with Goku makes him more powerful, kinda meant in a way that because he learns from Goku since he is using Goku's body.

It's not me being overly complicated. It's me despising fan-made terms like Mystic Gohan.

Why would Black fight Goku specifically in the manga at this point and why do you think it would give him such a giant boost in power if Vegeta knocking his teeth in seems to have done the trick.

[SansrivaaL]

I know its a fandom term, hence why I use the word which can just mean that its a trait unique to saiyans that they get stronger by every battle and near to death exp they get, thats the whole point of me using the word zenkai but for some reason you're being overly complicated about things.

I know, I said and meant that previously, that theres also the fact that Black has yet to fight Goku in the manga, he does say that fighting with Goku makes him more powerful, kinda meant in a way that because he learns from Goku since he is using Goku's body.

It's not me being overly complicated. It's me despising fan-made terms like Mystic Gohan.

Why would Black fight Goku specifically in the manga at this point and why do you think it would give him such a giant boost in power if Vegeta knocking his teeth in seems to have done the trick.

Theres nothing wrong with using a fanmade term you dont need to correct me if you simply despise it then use the official term while I use the fanmade term, no need to prove a point.

Yes it did do the trick already, but fighting with Goku is a better powerup for him since he is using that body and Goku's just a better fighter than Vegeta (this is personally my opinion).

[HeroR]

Theres nothing wrong with using a fanmade term you dont need to correct me if you simply despise it then use the official term while I use the fanmade term, no need to prove a point.

Yes it did do the trick already, but fighting with Goku is a better powerup for him since he is using that body and Goku's just a better fighter than Vegeta (this is personally my opinion).

And your statement is based on a chapter that hasn't even come out yet. So how do you know form the manga that Goku is a better power-up compared to Vegeta?

[SansrivaaL]

Theres nothing wrong with using a fanmade term you dont need to correct me if you simply despise it then use the official term while I use the fanmade term, no need to prove a point.

Yes it did do the trick already, but fighting with Goku is a better powerup for him since he is using that body and Goku's just a better fighter than Vegeta (this is personally my opinion).

And your statement is based on a chapter that hasn't even come out yet. So how do you know form the manga that Goku is a better power-up compared to Vegeta?

Its based on my opinion, I did say its my personal opinion right? because its the body he's using, its a perfect opportunity to know more about that body, and I just see Goku as a better fighter overall.

[HeroR]

Its based on my opinion, I did say its my personal opinion right? because its the body he's using, its a perfect opportunity to know more about that body, and I just see Goku as a better fighter overall.

We're see, but the manga overall haven't done a lot things people were expecting.

[Noah]

Do people believe that Toyotaro might end this arc and start the new arc in the same chapter next month?

[SansrivaaL]

Do people believe that Toyotaro might end this arc and start the new arc in the same chapter next month?

That'll be a lot of pages, but I hope he does, I'm excited for the upcoming US arc.

[HeroR]

Do people believe that Toyotaro might end this arc and start the new arc in the same chapter next month?

That'll be a lot of pages, but I hope he does, I'm excited for the upcoming US arc.

So you think Black will get Rose, fight Goku, power up, fused with Future Zamasu, Goku and Vegeta fused, the timeline gets destroy, and Trunks leaves all in one chapter?

[SansrivaaL]

Do people believe that Toyotaro might end this arc and start the new arc in the same chapter next month?

That'll be a lot of pages, but I hope he does, I'm excited for the upcoming US arc.

So you think Black will get Rose, fight Goku, power up, fused with Future Zamasu, Goku and Vegeta fused, the timeline gets destroy, and Trunks leaves all in one chapter?

Yeah if he pulls a massive count of pages.

[Lord Beerus]

That'll be a lot of pages, but I hope he does, I'm excited for the upcoming US arc.

So you think Black will get Rose, fight Goku, power up, fused with Future Zamasu, Goku and Vegeta fused, the timeline gets destroy, and Trunks leaves all in one chapter?

Yeah if he pulls a massive count of pages.

He'll have 40 pages at the most to work with. I honestly don't think he'll be able to pull it off.

[LightBing]

Two more. That was my prediction before this chapter was revealed and I'm sticking with it.
Although this doesn't really align with him surpassing the anime, since he would be 6-7 episodes behind the anime. It's possible if he gets more pages or if the anime stretches the beginning of the arc to oblivion, to gain time for some juicy battles ahead.

Is a double chapter release possible?

[dbs fanboy]

So did Toyotaro drop the ball or things could change depending on the next chapter?

Anyway, Black's anime version is better, he is Zamasu but he still has a different personality because Goku's saiyan heritage is affecting (well was) him, wich made him more interesting.

Now we have two future Zamasus