The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[goku the krump dancer]

REREAD my post! I said Goku was getting beaten up by someone who was TWICE as strong as he was, even though moments earlier he was holding his own against said person who was then more than twice as stronger.

I did read it. Goku and Freeza were dead even initially. I don't know where you're getting this twice as strong crap.

This is the last time i'm going to explain if you still don't get it, then we'll just drop it.

In the beginning of their fight, while they may have been trading blows I think its safe to say Freeza still had an overall advantage.. None of Goku's hits were really hurting him.

NOW when they decide to get serious this is when Freeza is twice as strong at the moment.

Goku's BP is 3 million right? right.. with the x10 Kaioken (aka his maximum) its boosted to 30 million right? right.

Freeza's BP at %100 is 120 million right? right. divided by two (aka Freeza using his established %50 of full power) is 60 million.

Is 60 million not twice as much as 30 million?

I brought this up to show how power gaps aren't always everything I feel like in the beginning of the bout Freeza still had an overrall advantage even though Goku got some good licks in.

Me saying he was using between a tenth or fourth of his full power was me trying back my claim up. I KNOW its not stated how much power he was using before things got serious but the hunches I gave were just EXAMPLES to show how Goku was putting up what seemed to be a good fight against a guy who AT THAT MOMENT was between 4 to 10 times stronger than before they got serious.

The thing is though even if you wanna believe that they were initially dead even (aka 3 million vs 3 million). How do you explain Vegeta being completely dominated? Even before he lost his will to fight he couldn't even keep up with Freeza and not only that he kick away a blast that seemed to have Vegeta's all put behind it.

Say for instances Vegeta's BP is 2 million, do you suppose Freeza was using more power to fight Vegeta instead of Goku? Even though Goku was able to deflect his Death Beams (the same beams that Ol' Princy was barely able to see) before the final battle even in sued?

Or Do you wanna further prove my point and keep Freeza at supposed 3 million but still completely dominate the prince who's only a million points away?

[Kaboom]

We're really getting too far off on a tangent with this debate here. Not to mention the budding bad attitudes at work, too.

[goku the krump dancer]

I'm a little annoyed I admit, but there's no real malice behind any of my post I can assure you.

[KentalSSJ6]

Krump you are making a mistake. Goku uses a Kaio-Ken X20. Not X10.

[TheMightyOzaru]

The thing is though even if you wanna believe that they were initially dead even (aka 3 million vs 3 million). How do you explain Vegeta being completely dominated? Even before he lost his will to fight he couldn't even keep up with Freeza and not only that he kick away a blast that seemed to have Vegeta's all put behind it.

Umm 3 mill is plenty to overpower Vegeta.... There's no need to make crap up to justify your opinion.

[dbzfan7]

How strong would Ultimate Future Gohan be from Shin Budokai 2. Apparently he has been battling his demons for years and may have gotten a lot stronger. Or if you think he would end up equal to Ultimate Gohan then how powerful would a potara fusion be between them.

[KentalSSJ6]

How strong would Ultimate Future Gohan be from Shin Budokai 2. Apparently he has been battling his demons for years and may have gotten a lot stronger. Or if you think he would end up equal to Ultimate Gohan then how powerful would a potara fusion be between them.

I actually asked this a few pages back. About a SSJ2-4 and Mystic Future Gohan and how he would fare against Cell and Buu.

General answers were SSJ3 Future Gohan = Super Perfect Cell

SSJ4 and Mystic Future Gohan > a mix of Fat Buu or Super Buu depending on who answered.

Regarding the fusion, id say not very powerful. They wont get the rival boost Vegito got and we have no idea how much potential Mystic Future Gohan has. May be more than normal Gohan, or less.

[dbzfan7]

How strong would Ultimate Future Gohan be from Shin Budokai 2. Apparently he has been battling his demons for years and may have gotten a lot stronger. Or if you think he would end up equal to Ultimate Gohan then how powerful would a potara fusion be between them.

I actually asked this a few pages back. About a SSJ2-4 and Mystic Future Gohan and how he would fare against Cell and Buu.

General answers were SSJ3 Future Gohan = Super Perfect Cell

SSJ4 and Mystic Future Gohan > a mix of Fat Buu or Super Buu depending on who answered.

Regarding the fusion, id say not very powerful. They wont get the rival boost Vegito got and we have no idea how much potential Mystic Future Gohan has. May be more than normal Gohan, or less.

I'm talking about the Shin Budokai 2 Future Gohan who should be a lot stronger after fighting his demons in the after life for years, though maybe he didn't get stronger as on earth he didn't get super strong. If the two were equal powered then they'd probably crush Vegetto. I don't believe in rival boost. I believe in the equal power level system compatibility. It also explains why Kibitoshin is nothing special.

[KentalSSJ6]

I never played the Shin Budokai games, so i'm not really the guy to give you a answer then.

[rereboy]

This is the last time i'm going to explain if you still don't get it, then we'll just drop it.

In the beginning of their fight, while they may have been trading blows I think its safe to say Freeza still had an overall advantage.. None of Goku's hits were really hurting him.

NOW when they decide to get serious this is when Freeza is twice as strong at the moment.

Goku's BP is 3 million right? right.. with the x10 Kaioken (aka his maximum) its boosted to 30 million right? right.

Freeza's BP at %100 is 120 million right? right. divided by two (aka Freeza using his established %50 of full power) is 60 million.

Is 60 million not twice as much as 30 million?

I brought this up to show how power gaps aren't always everything I feel like in the beginning of the bout Freeza still had an overrall advantage even though Goku got some good licks in.

Me saying he was using between a tenth or fourth of his full power was me trying back my claim up. I KNOW its not stated how much power he was using before things got serious but the hunches I gave were just EXAMPLES to show how Goku was putting up what seemed to be a good fight against a guy who AT THAT MOMENT was between 4 to 10 times stronger than before they got serious.

The thing is though even if you wanna believe that they were initially dead even (aka 3 million vs 3 million). How do you explain Vegeta being completely dominated? Even before he lost his will to fight he couldn't even keep up with Freeza and not only that he kick away a blast that seemed to have Vegeta's all put behind it.

Say for instances Vegeta's BP is 2 million, do you suppose Freeza was using more power to fight Vegeta instead of Goku? Even though Goku was able to deflect his Death Beams (the same beams that Ol' Princy was barely able to see) before the final battle even in sued?

Or Do you wanna further prove my point and keep Freeza at supposed 3 million but still completely dominate the prince who's only a million points away?

Besides Goku using a Kaioken x20, not a x10, there's no official confirmation of what percentage of power Freeza was actually using during the start of their fight, especially since Kaio later states that Goku had already been using Kaioken all along. All we can say is that Freeza was using a percentage of power that corresponded more or less with Goku's power. When Freeza started to increase it, Goku was immediately and completely outclassed, and only with his Kaioken x20 was he able to come close to the percentage of power that Freeza was now using.

That being said, yeah, there's no real science behind the power gaps.

[The Monkey King]

BoG base Goku's super Kamehameha vs 100% Freeza
Will be KHH multiplier be able to overwhelm or even kill Freeza?
I have BoG base Goku at 90,000,000 so with a 2.3X multiplier of the super KHH I think it should be able to take care of Freeza.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I have BoG Goku at 100,000,000 so I assume a Super Kamehameha could kill Freeza if he wasn't prepared for it. I also run on a seemingly unpopular theory where Goku can put some of his SSJ energy into his base form, so Goku could certainly take Freeza, his base maximum is just lower than Freeza's

[Hellspawn28]

Birus vs. Metal General Rildo. Who would win? I think Birus could win this since Rildo never show off anything that special to begin with. How I view it Birus>Buuhan>Metal Rildo>Buutenks>Sigma Rildo>Super Buu>Base Rildo> Kid Buu

[TheMightyOzaru]

Birus vs. Metal General Rildo. Who would win? I think Birus could win this since Rildo never show off anything that special to begin with. How I view it Birus>Buuhan>Metal Rildo>Buutenks>Sigma Rildo>Super Buu>Base Rildo> Kid Buu

Beers literally God-stomps Rildo. There are only 2 characters in GT that surpass him and those 2 are Super Yi Xing Long and SSJ4 Gogeta.

[TheGmGoken]

SSJ Vegeta(Pre Majin Boost) vs Pikkon

Goku(Cell Games) vs Vegeta(Pre Majin and no SSJ2)

I honestly think Vegeta is weaker than Cell Games Gohan before Vegeta got Majin. So... I thought it would be a great battle

[RandomGuy96]

SSJ Vegeta(Pre Majin Boost) vs Paikuhan

Goku(Cell Games) vs Vegeta(Pre Majin)

I honestly think Vegeta is weaker than Cell Games Gohan before Vegeta got Majin. So... I thought it would be a great battle

Pikkon for the first, Vegeta for the second. A complete stomp in both cases.

[TheGmGoken]

SSJ Vegeta(Pre Majin Boost) vs Paikuhan

Goku(Cell Games) vs Vegeta(Pre Majin)

I honestly think Vegeta is weaker than Cell Games Gohan before Vegeta got Majin. So... I thought it would be a great battle

Paikuhan for the first, Vegeta for the second. A complete stomp in both cases.

How would Vegeta stomp Goku?

[Kamiccolo9]

SSJ Vegeta(Pre Majin Boost) vs Paikuhan

Goku(Cell Games) vs Vegeta(Pre Majin)

I honestly think Vegeta is weaker than Cell Games Gohan before Vegeta got Majin. So... I thought it would be a great battle

Paikuhan for the first, Vegeta for the second. A complete stomp in both cases.

How would Vegeta stomp Goku?

Vegeta had SSJ2.

[TheGmGoken]

Vegeta had SSJ2.

Opps forgot to say Vegeta doesn't get SSJ2

[TheMightyOzaru]

SSJ Vegeta(Pre Majin Boost) vs Paikuhan

Goku(Cell Games) vs Vegeta(Pre Majin and no SSJ2)

I honestly think Vegeta is weaker than Cell Games Gohan before Vegeta got Majin. So... I thought it would be a great battle

Vegeta wins both fights.