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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by Doctor. » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:46 pm

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jcogginsa wrote: It's your own fault for not paying attention. They said from the beginning that super Villains weren't being considered due to being too new, and posted a video with their thoughts on all of them.
I was mostly joking :P
The only real decision I disagree with is Daimao being in the top three, Piccolo was always boring as an antagonist for me but at least his 2.0 self gave Goku one of his best fights ever.
I personally love the fact that King Piccolo made into the top three because he was the first villain in Dragon Ball at that time that felt so overreaching in his role. His impact on the story is undeniable. He may not have had the more complex personality, but he was no-nonsense villain and quite cunning in battle.
He wasn't really cunning in battle. He was just scummy. I mean, taking people as hostage isn't the most brilliant idea, it's something anyone could come up with.

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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:16 pm

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ekrolo2 wrote: I was mostly joking :P
The only real decision I disagree with is Daimao being in the top three, Piccolo was always boring as an antagonist for me but at least his 2.0 self gave Goku one of his best fights ever.
I personally love the fact that King Piccolo made into the top three because he was the first villain in Dragon Ball at that time that felt so overreaching in his role. His impact on the story is undeniable. He may not have had the more complex personality, but he was no-nonsense villain and quite cunning in battle.
He wasn't really cunning in battle. He was just scummy. I mean, taking people as hostage isn't the most brilliant idea, it's something anyone could come up with.
Swallowing the Dragon Balls so nobody could use them and then killing Shenlong after making his wish for eternal youth were very savvy decisions on his part.

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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

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Lord Beerus wrote: I personally love the fact that King Piccolo made into the top three because he was the first villain in Dragon Ball at that time that felt so overreaching in his role. His impact on the story is undeniable. He may not have had the more complex personality, but he was no-nonsense villain and quite cunning in battle.
He wasn't really cunning in battle. He was just scummy. I mean, taking people as hostage isn't the most brilliant idea, it's something anyone could come up with.
Swallowing the Dragon Balls so nobody could use them and then killing Shenlong after making his wish for eternal youth were very savvy decisions on his part.
Killing Shenlong when he could just abuse his power (since he expected nobody to beat him, he shouldn't expect someone to manage to gather the DBs) wasn't very bright, either.

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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by ekrolo2 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:21 pm

Doctor. wrote:Killing Shenlong when he could just abuse his power (since he expected nobody to beat him, he shouldn't expect someone to manage to gather the DBs) wasn't very bright, either.
I'd also say wishing to restore his youth first and not immortality or invincibility was a dumbass move too.
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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by Doctor. » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:28 pm

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Doctor. wrote:Killing Shenlong when he could just abuse his power (since he expected nobody to beat him, he shouldn't expect someone to manage to gather the DBs) wasn't very bright, either.
I'd also say wishing to restore his youth first and not immortality or invincibility was a dumbass move too.
Yeah, but that's already a popular complaint about Daimao's intelligence (or lack thereof) :P

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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by jcogginsa » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:47 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
Doctor. wrote:Killing Shenlong when he could just abuse his power (since he expected nobody to beat him, he shouldn't expect someone to manage to gather the DBs) wasn't very bright, either.
I'd also say wishing to restore his youth first and not immortality or invincibility was a dumbass move too.
Immortality without youth is ultimately a fate worse than death. Going for Youth first was the smart move.

As for killing Shenlong, after Piccolo had gotten his youth back Shenlong was nothing but a liability for him.

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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by ekrolo2 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:52 pm

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Doctor. wrote:Killing Shenlong when he could just abuse his power (since he expected nobody to beat him, he shouldn't expect someone to manage to gather the DBs) wasn't very bright, either.
I'd also say wishing to restore his youth first and not immortality or invincibility was a dumbass move too.
Immortality without youth is ultimately a fate worse than death. Going for Youth first was the smart move.

As for killing Shenlong, after Piccolo had gotten his youth back Shenlong was nothing but a liability for him.
You can just wish for youth later though, invincibility means he'd have to tolerate being old for a while longer but being literally impervious to everything is worth it if you ask me.
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Post by Doctor. » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:54 pm

There's no excuse not to ask for immortality when you know that Kami exists and you die the moment he does.

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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by jcogginsa » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:14 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
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ekrolo2 wrote: I'd also say wishing to restore his youth first and not immortality or invincibility was a dumbass move too.
Immortality without youth is ultimately a fate worse than death. Going for Youth first was the smart move.

As for killing Shenlong, after Piccolo had gotten his youth back Shenlong was nothing but a liability for him.
You can just wish for youth later though, invincibility means he'd have to tolerate being old for a while longer but being literally impervious to everything is worth it if you ask me.
Leaving Shenlong in play leaves him vulnerable to the Dragonballs, So Piccolo has to kill him after the first wish. If Piccolo were immortal, then he'd be condemned to eternity as a weak and feeble being. It'd be hell

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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by ekrolo2 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:16 pm

jcogginsa wrote:Leaving Shenlong in play leaves him vulnerable to the Dragonballs, So Piccolo has to kill him after the first wish. If Piccolo were immortal, then he'd be condemned to eternity as a weak and feeble being. It'd be hell
He can eat the Dragon Balls, this coupled with invincibility would make it impossible for anyone to screw up his plans. Once Goku showed up, all he'd have to do is let the kid try to hurt him, lose all his power doing so, snap Goku's neck then wait a year for Shenron to come back and use him again for a revitalized body.
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Post by Nejishiki » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:17 pm

He didn't want immortality from the start. It was only the strength he lost while wasting away in an electric rice cooker he desired back. The purpose of murdering talented martial artists beforehand was to ensure he would rule the Earth unopposed. To leave them alone would open the possibility of them becoming stronger or developing a new sealing technique. He wasn't interested in the sport of battle. The moment he believed Goku (his most troublesome obstacle that forced him to take personal action) was dead, he had effectively won and earned his wish. Killing Shen Long was an extension of ensuring countermeasures against him wouldn't be born. As far as he knew, there was nothing to worry about with the strongest Tenkaichi Budoukai contestant conquered and powering up considerably himself. He doesn't have the audience's hindsight, I'm afraid but what's portrayed is reasonable. There's no indication he cared too much about God dying as long as he could enjoy his fun long enough. He was confident God wouldn't interfere or pass soon thanks to their biology. His children would likely take over after his passing to keep the chaos burning centuries more after his centuries expired.

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:15 pm

Doctor. wrote:There's no excuse not to ask for immortality when you know that Kami exists and you die the moment he does.
Did he actually know that, though? That his life was linked to Kami's?
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Doctor. wrote:There's no excuse not to ask for immortality when you know that Kami exists and you die the moment he does.
Did he actually know that, though? That his life was linked to Kami's?
I'm wondering about this myself. I'm pretty sure he didn't know about the Dragon Balls either, until Pilaf told him. Maybe Daimao was formed without any of the Namekian's memories? That would explain a lot.
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Why would Jr know, then?

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Post by Kanassa » Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:58 pm

Maybe Piccolo didn't actually want to live forever, maybe just have a good life and then die with the knowledge that he would leave this world a King. I don't think not wishing for immortality is that dumb unless the character themselves wants to live forever.

As they say... "Who wants to live FOREVER!?"
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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Post by Doctor. » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:10 pm

Kanassa wrote:Maybe Piccolo didn't actually want to live forever, maybe just have a good life and then die with the knowledge that he would leave this world a King. I don't think not wishing for immortality is that dumb unless the character themselves wants to live forever.

As they say... "Who wants to live FOREVER!?"
Vegeta, Freeza, Zamasu. Cell and Boo probably too, so I wouldn't put it past Piccolo. Dragon Ball villains are all very similar in terms of motivations and objectives.

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Doctor. wrote:Why would Jr know, then?
Did he? I don't recall him saying anything until after Kami spoke up about it.
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Post by Doctor. » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:55 pm

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Doctor. wrote:Why would Jr know, then?
Did he? I don't recall him saying anything until after Kami spoke up about it.
He didn't know that Kami was disguised as Shen at first (neither did Goku), but he later finds out before Kami reveals who he is. So he did have prior knowledge about who Kami was.

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Makes no sense, really, that Jr. knew who Kami was if Daimao was unaware of his existence.

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He read Kami's mind. Says so right there.
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Re: DragonBall Z Abridged

Post by Doctor. » Sat Dec 24, 2016 3:03 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:He read Kami's mind. Says so right there.
He read Kami's mind to figure out that he had borrowed a body, that's all he says. Then he proceeds to say "So that's it huh, you're Kami!", he already knew who Kami was, reading his mind only allowed him to see through the disguise. Even Kami says "So you've finally figured it out, eh?", implying that Piccolo SHOULD indeed know who Kami is.

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