Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[Shaddy]

Keeping continuity also isn't synonymous with being better written. I mean, just look at Minus. It set the new continuity in the DB universe for Goku's origin and about a hundred pages of this topic are dedicated to people shitting on it.

[AnimeNation101]

At this point, better written depends on how well Toei or Toyo adapts Toriyama’s outline and how quality are the things they add to Toriyama’s outline that give it its length.

Tbh, DBS’s main writing problem was a lack of consistency. And like its art and animation, its inconsistent writing problem can be solved by a good ammount of pre-production time and hiring a head/chief writer.

Toyo? As I’ve said before,i feel as though his problem is pacing and that he seems to be getting rushed. But i think imma go re-read some of Toyo’s other arcs.

[AnimeNation101]

Why does this thread always turn into manga vs anime? There’s a separate thread for that.

This thread turns into a lot of things. I am just waiting for it to turn into a sexy fan art thread at this point!

Give us swimsuit Bulma at her vacation house in the movie and you might just get your wish

[zarmack]

What a lot of people don't realize is that often, Toriyama's outline itself is the source of the problem with Super's (both versions) writing. Many of his plot decisions are just plain bad, with no type of execution being able to rescue it.

[Miracles]

You show me where the anime keeps continuity from the OG Dragonball better than the manga?

You're kind of missing the point. In my opinion the anime has better writing. You claim that it is somehow an undeniable fact that the manga has better writing, but given the subjective nature of it, it is not a fact.

Then you seem to want to trivialize the writing's quality to just encompass it's cohesiveness with the original Dragon Ball.

It's not based on opinion. It's based on fact that the manga keeps continuity and coherency of Dragonball's story better than the anime. That's not on your or my feelings but story continuation truth.

But lets take this to the manga thread. This is the movie thread. If you wish to continue this because I don't.

[GTx10]

You show me where the anime keeps continuity from the OG Dragonball better than the manga?

You're kind of missing the point. In my opinion the anime has better writing. You claim that it is somehow an undeniable fact that the manga has better writing, but given the subjective nature of it, it is not a fact.

Then you seem to want to trivialize the writing's quality to just encompass it's cohesiveness with the original Dragon Ball.

It's not based on opinion. It's based on fact that the manga keeps continuity and coherency of Dragonball's story better than the anime. That's not on your or my feelings but story continuation truth.

But lets take this to the manga thread. This is the movie thread. If you wish to continue this because I don't.

Does it though? The same Manga that brought back SSGod (which at the time brought everyone up in arms because it seemed to need a ritual to activate) and gave no explanation for it. The same Manga that (if I recall correctly) glosses over (if that) Vegeta's access to SSBlue. The same Manga that turned Future Trunks' hair blue. Not picking? Yes, Yes I am but let's not pretend the Manga does continuity better than the Anime.
Maybe battle powers are more "consistent" (maybe) but otherwise it has its problems.

[Rakurai]

He did work on a spin-off, it's called DBH Victory Mission and it's what allowed him to transition into the Super manga.

I know, I mentioned it earlier. I don't think that's enough, I really disliked it, I think he was put on Super too early.

While Lee's storytelling may be promising and his artwork quite good, he doesn't have the experience of working a monthly manga with tight deadlines. His Yamcha spinoff took ~9 months to finish, three chapters with the length of ~30 pages each chapter. He's the one who needs to work on a monthly or bi-monthly spinoff first to show he can handle regular workloads.

Okay, let him do that. Hell, make Toriyama take a bigger workload with the story and just have all these different artists rotate out on drawing the chapters themselves, I don't know. But let everyone do more than what they've been doing except Toyotaro.

Ooishi, I think she's more adept since she's published in Saikyo Jump but her artstyle based on SD just isn't suited for main DB. And while she may be able to draw DB in a more standard format as opposed to a gag format, it's not easy to transition between styles after working on SD for so long.

She drew (and wrote, ugh) the Episode of Bardock manga as well as a bunch of doujins (some comedy, some porn, some both), so it's not like we haven't seen her regular DB art or anything. I think she's probably still okay at it, SD just looks that way because it has to.

Nagayama, on the other hand. He's got real promise. The SDBH manga has been nothing short of entertaining and amazing but his artwork could use more polishing. The way he draws SSJ4 forms though is lit, better than Toyotaro imo.

I actually like his art way better than Toyo. His characters are definitely in a different style, with a lot of thicker lines and soft curves, but it's very dynamic and readable. He definitely deserves better than to be stuck on Heroes.

You know what happens when you have multiple mangakas rotating chapters on the same manga? You get a story about as congruent as the anime's plot. So that would be a very poor decision.

I do know she wrote the Episode of Bardock but I thought that was one chapter only so I didn't bother mentioning it. Checked and it's 3 chapters long so my bad.

Nagayama and Toyotaro seem to be pretty good buddies based on Twitter so I don't think they're going to try to one up the other or get in each other's way. Nagayama would most likely allow Toyotaro keep Super and vice versa if it were up to them, they should respect one another as tellers of their continued story for better or for worse. Also consistency is important.

There's nothing wrong with being in Heroes, and I do not consider it beneath Super; if anything, being on Heroes means you get to express your creativity and be more liberal with the details and characters. SDBH is an extremely fun manga - who wouldn't want to write about timeline crossovers, SSJ4 vs SSB, and cover the Xeno Time Patrol gang, whom frankly I think are way more better and badass than the main cast? DBH is HUGE in Japan, playing it while writing a manga on the main story, Nagayama is also living the damn dream.

Also I don't know if Toriyama is going to coach more than one mangaka at this point. Toyo and Toriyama seem to have a very good working relationship based on past interviews and Toyo's sense of humility, and I'd be surprised if Toriyama didn't have a significant input as to who would be shadow writing his main product. If he likes Toyotaro, then that's who we're going to get. Which I don't mind at all, I think he has been doing a great job overall with the ToP and I have high hopes for him on the Broly saga.

[Grimlock]

who wouldn't want to write about timeline crossovers, SSJ4 vs SSB, and cover the Xeno Time Patrol gang, whom frankly I think are way more better and badass than the main cast?

People who prefer tournaments without story and poorly done retellings.

[PFM18]

You show me where the anime keeps continuity from the OG Dragonball better than the manga?

You're kind of missing the point. In my opinion the anime has better writing. You claim that it is somehow an undeniable fact that the manga has better writing, but given the subjective nature of it, it is not a fact.

Then you seem to want to trivialize the writing's quality to just encompass it's cohesiveness with the original Dragon Ball.

It's not based on opinion. It's based on fact that the manga keeps continuity and coherency of Dragonball's story better than the anime. That's not on your or my feelings but story continuation truth.

But lets take this to the manga thread. This is the movie thread. If you wish to continue this because I don't.

There's nothing more to discuss. You are wrong that you're opinion is somehow a fact. It is that simple

[Shaddy]

You know what happens when you have multiple mangakas rotating chapters on the same manga? You get a story about as congruent as the anime's plot. So that would be a very poor decision.

Funny meme and all, but I did say to have Toriyama do the story.

Nagayama and Toyotaro seem to be pretty good buddies based on Twitter so I don't think they're going to try to one up the other or get in each other's way. Nagayama would most likely allow Toyotaro keep Super and vice versa if it were up to them, they should respect one another as tellers of their continued story for better or for worse. Also consistency is important.

And I don't really consider that a factor. Consistency is only important to me in so far as it preserves something good. There's nothing I would really lose if Toyotaro were replaced.

There's nothing wrong with being in Heroes, and I do not consider it beneath Super; if anything, being on Heroes means you get to express your creativity and be more liberal with the details and characters.

If they did that, it would be great, but they don't. None of the characters are given any meaningful personality differences or new angles in Heroes. They're just bland imitations of the original characters wearing different clothes.

SDBH is an extremely fun manga - who wouldn't want to write about timeline crossovers, SSJ4 vs SSB, and cover the Xeno Time Patrol gang, whom frankly I think are way more better and badass than the main cast?

Because none of those things are presented in an interesting, fun or creative way whatsoever? There's no detail on what they are, where they're from or why they exist, even by Dragon Ball standards, and they have no personality beyond "we have to fight because we're good PLAY THE GAMES PLEASE". Maybe it's just because Dragon Ball in general isn't very well-written, but I almost never want to consume any outside stories for the series unless they have a very special strength over the main series that nothing else is as good at, or else are essential to the plot and characters in some manner. Heroes has none of that. It does everything blander and boring-er than the main Dragon Ball continuity, and it basically barred from interacting with it in any way whatsoever.

I should note that I don't blame Nagayama for this, I'm sure he's doing the best he can. As it happens, his manga is definitely a lot better than the Heroes anime.

Also I don't know if Toriyama is going to coach more than one mangaka at this point. Toyo and Toriyama seem to have a very good working relationship based on past interviews and Toyo's sense of humility, and I'd be surprised if Toriyama didn't have a significant input as to who would be shadow writing his main product. If he likes Toyotaro, then that's who we're going to get. Which I don't mind at all, I think he has been doing a great job overall with the ToP and I have high hopes for him on the Broly saga.

Well I wish I shared your capacity for tolerance there. I personally think it's boring as hell and packed with so much extraneous reaction shots and poor attempts at replicating the anime that there's nothing to enjoy about it. And this was the fucking Tournament of Power! It's not like there wasn't room for improvement!

People who prefer tournaments without story and poorly done retellings.

I'm not impressed with the condescending strawman attitude and blatant non-arguments, as always.

[JazzMazz]

Mentioning of how well Toriyama's outline is going to be adapted, while they've stated that the staff on the film have cut down the script a bit to make it condensable for a 100 minute film, I think this is another good time to speak about how good direction can elevate a source material. In that sense, I think that's still something to have faith in the movie with.

I believe, based on the prior works of the director, and the praise that we've already seen from the direction of the film, that the script will almost definitely have been fantastically adapted.

Saying that, that doesn't necessarily say anything about the quality script itself(though knowing how barebones Toriyama's scripts can be, and considering the staff on the film, It will be well presented though, if a little shallow at points potentially).

[ZeroNeonix]

Why does this thread always turn into manga vs anime? There’s a separate thread for that.

This thread turns into a lot of things. I am just waiting for it to turn into a sexy fan art thread at this point!

Uhh... Don't be silly.

*Hides stash of genderbent Goku art*

[majinwarman]

Mentioning of how well Toriyama's outline is going to be adapted, while they've stated that the staff on the film have cut down the script a bit to make it condensable for a 100 minute film, I think this is another good time to speak about how good direction can elevate a source material. In that sense, I think that's still something to have faith in the movie with.

I believe, based on the prior works of the director, and the praise that we've already seen from the direction of the film, that the script will almost definitely have been fantastically adapted.

Saying that, that doesn't necessarily say anything about the quality script itself(though knowing how barebones Toriyama's scripts can be, and considering the staff on the film, It will be well presented though, if a little shallow at points potentially).

I have faith in the movie but I still want to have some reserves about it. I don't want people to just claim that the movie is bad without seeing it.

[Mister_Popo]

Mentioning of how well Toriyama's outline is going to be adapted, while they've stated that the staff on the film have cut down the script a bit to make it condensable for a 100 minute film, I think this is another good time to speak about how good direction can elevate a source material. In that sense, I think that's still something to have faith in the movie with.

I believe, based on the prior works of the director, and the praise that we've already seen from the direction of the film, that the script will almost definitely have been fantastically adapted.

Saying that, that doesn't necessarily say anything about the quality script itself(though knowing how barebones Toriyama's scripts can be, and considering the staff on the film, It will be well presented though, if a little shallow at points potentially).

I have faith in the movie but I still want to have some reserves about it. I don't want people to just claim that the movie is bad without seeing it.

No matter how great and epic this movie will be, we are definetely going to end up with people complaining.
That's written in the stars.

[majinwarman]

Mentioning of how well Toriyama's outline is going to be adapted, while they've stated that the staff on the film have cut down the script a bit to make it condensable for a 100 minute film, I think this is another good time to speak about how good direction can elevate a source material. In that sense, I think that's still something to have faith in the movie with.

I believe, based on the prior works of the director, and the praise that we've already seen from the direction of the film, that the script will almost definitely have been fantastically adapted.

Saying that, that doesn't necessarily say anything about the quality script itself(though knowing how barebones Toriyama's scripts can be, and considering the staff on the film, It will be well presented though, if a little shallow at points potentially).

I have faith in the movie but I still want to have some reserves about it. I don't want people to just claim that the movie is bad without seeing it.

No matter how great and epic this movie will be, we are definetely going to end up with people complaining.
That's written in the stars.

Modern Dragon Ball can't catch a break. No matter what they improve, fans still want to make it out to be crap. I see people complaining about how they don't like Shintani even though they were the ones that wanted Yamamuro gone.

[Mister_Popo]

I have faith in the movie but I still want to have some reserves about it. I don't want people to just claim that the movie is bad without seeing it.

No matter how great and epic this movie will be, we are definetely going to end up with people complaining.
That's written in the stars.

Modern Dragon Ball can't catch a break. No matter what they improve, fans still want to make it out to be crap.

Usually have to write a few pages to 'justify' this.
But that's what i call putting the hammer down right on the nail where it belongs.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

All I want is to be entertained.

And really, when we get down to it, isn't that what we all want?

[majinwarman]

No matter how great and epic this movie will be, we are definetely going to end up with people complaining.
That's written in the stars.

Modern Dragon Ball can't catch a break. No matter what they improve, fans still want to make it out to be crap.

Usually have to write a few pages to 'justify' this.
But that's what i call putting the hammer down right on the nail where it belongs.

I didn't say it doesn't have problems but they are actively trying to improve it and the proof is this movie with the new character designs.

[Mister_Popo]

All I want is to be entertained.

And really, when we get down to it, isn't that what we all want?

Indeed. I think it's priceless to see that hyped look on people's faces when they're watching the trailer, being happy, forgetting about everydays worries for a moment.
That's where it's all about.

[Mister_Popo]

Modern Dragon Ball can't catch a break. No matter what they improve, fans still want to make it out to be crap.

Usually have to write a few pages to 'justify' this.
But that's what i call putting the hammer down right on the nail where it belongs.

I didn't say it doesn't have problems but they are actively trying to improve it and the proof is this movie with the new character designs.

I meant the same, not every flaw will be erased, but they're really doing what they can to improve.