The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

[Sailor Haumea]

Back on topic...

Another hypothetical...

Let's say that Pseudo Super Saiyan is a 25x multiplier.

What happens if Gohan goes PSS after seeing Frieza impale Krillin in his second form?

[TheUltimateNinja]

1) I doubt Vegeta wouldn't find a way to reach SSJ4 by himself or from help by Bulma before the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai.

2) Also, nearly 12 years of training after achieving Super Saiyan 4 would make both Goku and Gohan strong enough to contend with Beerus, Golden Frieza, Hit, Goku Black, and all three of those insufferable Jakkasus named Zamasu.

3) But what about Future Trunks? You left out what he would do following his return home.

1) If Vegeta manages to become a Super Saiyan 4, he'd still be considerably weaker than Goku so it won't really make much of a difference, besides, it'll get replaced by SSGod and SSBlue soon.

2) Sure, they could take Golden Frieza and Goku could take Hit with his 10x Kaioken, but Goku Black and Beerus would still be out of their reach.

3) He would easily wreck the androids and Cell, then he would train for 7 years and kill Dabura and Babidi, and even Majin Buu if he gets released. Then he gets wrecked by Goku Black same as in canon, except now he's SSJ4 instead of SSJ2. Later he gets a rage boost and temporarily overwhelms Black and goes back in time to ask Goku and co. for help and then things continue the same as in canon, except Trunks' new form would perhaps be somewhat different.

1) Actually, no he wouldn't. As for two examples, in both Dragon Ball GT and Dragon Ball: Xenoverse, Super Saiyan 4 made Vegeta an equal to the same Goku that reached beyond his limits and nearly killed Syn Shenron with a 10x Kamehameha.

2) While Gohan would be the stronger one of the three Super Saiyan 4s (if Goten, Trunks, and/or Gotenks never bothered to learn to go SSJ4), the years following the Cell Games would have been enough time for Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan to become strong enough to match and then even defeat Beerus at 70% power, Golden Frieza, Hit, Goku Black, Present Zamasu, and his future counterpart as after defeating Baby Vegeta and Baby himself, Little Goku (GT) had improved enough through training that his Super Saiyan state became even more powerful than Majuub, despite the latter having been stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Little Goku (GT) just months ago.

3) Also with Future Trunks not just as a Super Saiyan Grade 4, but as a Super Saiyan 4 now; Future Androids 17 and 18, along with Future Imperfect Cell, Babidi and his Majins, and Goku Black would have been screwed beyond imagination against him.
[spoiler]As right from the get-go, Future Trunks would not have hesitated to use his Super Saiyan 4 transformation against every single last one of them, and with nearly a decade to train, the Saiyan from the future would have been enough in strength to make sure that both Goku Black and Future Zamasu would fail in their Zero Mortals Plan.[/spoiler]

1) In GT it didn't make them equal at all, he was performing much worse than SSJ4 Goku who was already exhausted from fighting for a long time.

2) The 70% line is never said in Super, according to Super even x10 SSBlue Goku is much weaker than Beerus. Also, Black would be exactly as powerful as Goku since it's Goku's body he stole, so no matter how strong Goku got Black would have the same power + the power of SSRose.

3) Nah, he wouldn't have the power. Zamasu is immortal and Goku Black might as well be immortal since none of Trunks' attacks have the power to kill him.

[TheUltimateNinja]

What if Cell actually crushed Gohan with his bear hug and Goku went SS2 from rage?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Back on topic...

Another hypothetical...

Let's say that Pseudo Super Saiyan is a 25x multiplier.

What happens if Gohan goes PSS after seeing Frieza impale Krillin in his second form?

He kills Frieza effortlessly and Vegeta becomes really jealous.

[Sailor Haumea]

Well, here's another one:

What if Piccolo killed Cell in Ginger Town?

[Desassina]

Well, here's another one:

What if Piccolo killed Cell in Ginger Town?

Before or after being revealed the truth about him? I can imagine future Cell (post-Majin Boo) being a threat if the lab keeps collecting data. Trunks would be uninformed about his death as well.

[HybridSaiyan]

Best one ever: WHAT IF...DBS was animated like DBZ? Would it get any hate at all? I think not. It would be a much better product. -cry- It's never ever going to happen though.

[PsionicWarrior]

Best one ever: WHAT IF...DBS was animated like DBZ? Would it get any hate at all? I think not. It would be a much better product. -cry- It's never ever going to happen though.

I agree a lot would be easier to forgive if it was animated like Z, the irony is the product would do better and as a result Toei would get more money in their pockets lol

[Steven Bloodriver]

What if Cell actually crushed Gohan with his bear hug and Goku went SS2 from rage?

Both Goku and Future Trunks would go Super Saiyan 2 from seeing Gohan die so gruesomely, then they would have attacked Perfect Cell together.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Best one ever: WHAT IF...DBS was animated like DBZ? Would it get any hate at all? I think not. It would be a much better product. -cry- It's never ever going to happen though.

It would still be an anime with average animation with very little outstanding cuts.

[Steven Bloodriver]

Best one ever: WHAT IF...DBS was animated like DBZ? Would it get any hate at all? I think not. It would be a much better product. -cry- It's never ever going to happen though.

It would still be an anime with average animation with very little outstanding cuts.

What if Goku Black and Future Zamasu had targeted the world of Future Trunks well after the battle between the Time Patrollers: Xeno Goku, Xeno Vegeta, Xeno Gohan, Xeno Trunks, and Super Saiyan God Beat with Majin Démigra (Makyouka Form) and the Time Breakers?

[jcogginsa]

Best one ever: WHAT IF...DBS was animated like DBZ? Would it get any hate at all? I think not. It would be a much better product. -cry- It's never ever going to happen though.

It would be considered worse than it is currently

[TheUltimateNinja]

What if Cell actually crushed Gohan with his bear hug and Goku went SS2 from rage?

Both Goku and Future Trunks would go Super Saiyan 2 from seeing Gohan die so gruesomely, then they would have attacked Perfect Cell together.

Sure, but how do they fare?

1) Goku alone vs Cell

2) Trunks and Goku vs Cell

3) Trunks vs Cell

[nickzambuto]

What if Goku never unlocked SSJ3? When all was said and done, it really didn't seem invaluable to their ultimate victory in the Boo arc.

[ekrolo2]

What if Goku never unlocked SSJ3? When all was said and done, it really didn't seem invaluable to their ultimate victory in the Boo arc.

He gets potentially destroyed by Boo when he goes to face him to stall for Trunks. If this happens, Goten and Trunks can't learn fusion, however, due to a lack of Gotenks, Gohan should be able to stomp Super Boo and kill him since he'd have no one to raise his power through absorption. Whether or not the Earth gets completely obliterated in the mean time is kind of up in the air but regardless, Boo is fucked without Gotenks.

[Steven Bloodriver]

What if Cell actually crushed Gohan with his bear hug and Goku went SS2 from rage?

Both Goku and Future Trunks would go Super Saiyan 2 from seeing Gohan die so gruesomely, then they would have attacked Perfect Cell together.

Sure, but how do they fare?

1) Goku alone vs Cell

2) Trunks and Goku vs Cell

3) Trunks vs Cell

1) Super Saiyan 2 Goku vs. Perfect Cell. Even at the full power of both the normal Perfect Form and (if even possible) the Power Weighted Perfect Form, Cell would have had no chance whatsoever to win against an out-for-blood Super Saiyan 2 Goku.

2) Super Saiyan 2 Goku and Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks vs. Perfect Cell. Cell would have been beaten so badly by the two vengeful Saiyans that the Perfect Bio-Android would never have the opportunity to come back as Super Perfect Cell.

3) Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks vs. Perfect Cell. As the former already was an even match for the Cell Juniors as a Super Saiyan, Future Trunks at Super Saiyan 2 during the Cell Games would have easily beaten Perfect Cell, but the son of Vegeta would have been truly challenged if Cell were to somehow come back in his Super Perfect state.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Both Goku and Future Trunks would go Super Saiyan 2 from seeing Gohan die so gruesomely, then they would have attacked Perfect Cell together.

Sure, but how do they fare?

1) Goku alone vs Cell

2) Trunks and Goku vs Cell

3) Trunks vs Cell

1) Super Saiyan 2 Goku vs. Perfect Cell. Even at the full power of both the normal Perfect Form and (if even possible) the Power Weighted Perfect Form, Cell would have had no chance whatsoever to win against an out-for-blood Super Saiyan 2 Goku.

2) Super Saiyan 2 Goku and Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks vs. Perfect Cell. Cell would have been beaten so badly by the two vengeful Saiyans that the Perfect Bio-Android would never have the opportunity to come back as Super Perfect Cell.

3) Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks vs. Perfect Cell. As the former already was an even match for the Cell Juniors as a Super Saiyan, Future Trunks at Super Saiyan 2 during the Cell Games would have easily beaten Perfect Cell, but the son of Vegeta would have been truly challenged if Cell were to somehow come back in his Super Perfect state.

I disagree with 3, I feel like Cell's full power could match SS2 Trunks, plus Cell has more stamina and skills and he can also regenerate, so if Trunks were on his own he'd probably lose.

[TheUltimateNinja]

What if Goku already had MSSJ when he first met Bulma and stayed in the MSSJ state for the entirety of the series?

[Steven Bloodriver]

Sure, but how do they fare?

1) Goku alone vs Cell

2) Trunks and Goku vs Cell

3) Trunks vs Cell

1) Super Saiyan 2 Goku vs. Perfect Cell. Even at the full power of both the normal Perfect Form and (if even possible) the Power Weighted Perfect Form, Cell would have had no chance whatsoever to win against an out-for-blood Super Saiyan 2 Goku.

2) Super Saiyan 2 Goku and Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks vs. Perfect Cell. Cell would have been beaten so badly by the two vengeful Saiyans that the Perfect Bio-Android would never have the opportunity to come back as Super Perfect Cell.

3) Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks vs. Perfect Cell. As the former already was an even match for the Cell Juniors as a Super Saiyan, Future Trunks at Super Saiyan 2 during the Cell Games would have easily beaten Perfect Cell, but the son of Vegeta would have been truly challenged if Cell were to somehow come back in his Super Perfect state.

I disagree with 3, I feel like Cell's full power could match SS2 Trunks, plus Cell has more stamina and skills and he can also regenerate, so if Trunks were on his own he'd probably lose.

Even though Super Saiyan 2 burns energy like jet fuel when compared to Super Saiyan and recovering that said energy from taking damage from battle is much harder because of the sheer amount of willpower that is needed to simply stay transformed, Future Trunks would have only been experiencing those problems if he was fighting someone just as strong or even stronger than he was in this hypothetical scenario. But any Super Saiyan 2, even a newly awakened one, from the Cell Games and onward, would have been beaten Cell in any of his forms.

[Steven Bloodriver]

What if Goku already had MSSJ when he first met Bulma and stayed in the MSSJ state for the entirety of the series?

Then all of his enemies from his childhood would have known how Ultimate Buu felt like when he fought Vegito.