Death Battle: Goku vs Superman 2

[dario03]

I really hate that line in Vs. The Elites about it being "like 15 suns going off in his face". That's obviously total nonsense, as that would have destroyed the moon... along with the solar system.

Seriously, you can't just concentrate that much energy into one place and not have huge, expansive consequences. I can understand if he was spouting hyperbole, but it's a gross misrepresentation of that kind of power.

How about that hero, Sentry, from Marvel, who's claimed to have the "power of one million exploding suns"? lol

That's... ridiculous, even by superhero comic logic, but that's fine. But releasing that energy into a space is another matter. Also, pretty sure Coldcast was never that strong.

Dragon ball does the same kind of stuff all the time. We keep talking about stuff like Roshi can blow up the moon but yet attacks from characters that are waaaaaayyyyyyy stronger barely do anything to the planet. Usually you can just say "well they concentrate it to one spot". But what about stuff like Vegeta blowing himself up? Seems like it would be hard to control your released energy when you're dead. Or when Buu used a similar attack, why would he even care to hold back?

[Kamiccolo9]

I really hate that line in Vs. The Elites about it being "like 15 suns going off in his face". That's obviously total nonsense, as that would have destroyed the moon... along with the solar system.

Seriously, you can't just concentrate that much energy into one place and not have huge, expansive consequences. I can understand if he was spouting hyperbole, but it's a gross misrepresentation of that kind of power.

How about that hero, Sentry, from Marvel, who's claimed to have the "power of one million exploding suns"? lol

The Sentry is not the only one to "claim" that. Both Tony Stark and Reed Richards, who are two of the most intelligent people in the Marvel Universe, have confirmed it.

Now, what "the power of a million exploding suns" actually means is open to interpretation, but the description has been used by the most credible sources in the medium too many times to be dismissed as mere hyperbole.

[Bullza]

Because they're still a part of their... home? Their realm? I'm not sure what to call it exactly, but it's obvious that they're a part of their own world, and their destruction would be a hassle for them both.

That could be one theory I suppose but I don't know how you're seeing it as being obvious. They just seem to be neighbouring planets within the same nebula as Beerus' Temple unless I'm mistaken there hasn't been anything to imply that they belong to them and they haven't been shown on any of them.

Maybe Super will clear it up though I doubt it.

[fadeddreams5]

I really hate that line in Vs. The Elites about it being "like 15 suns going off in his face". That's obviously total nonsense, as that would have destroyed the moon... along with the solar system.

Seriously, you can't just concentrate that much energy into one place and not have huge, expansive consequences. I can understand if he was spouting hyperbole, but it's a gross misrepresentation of that kind of power.

How about that hero, Sentry, from Marvel, who's claimed to have the "power of one million exploding suns"? lol

The Sentry is not the only one to "claim" that. Both Tony Stark and Reed Richards, who are two of the most intelligent people in the Marvel Universe, have confirmed it.

Now, what "the power of a million exploding suns" actually means is open to interpretation, but the description has been used by the most credible sources in the medium too many times to be dismissed as mere hyperbole.

I didn't mean only the Sentry claimed it (though I didn't know it was actually confirmed by them). I just mentioned him to provide an even more ridiculous example of comic book powers/occurrences to Kaiser. lol.

[Bullza]

How does Goku compare to the other members of the Justice League? Like Green Lantern, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Shazam or The Flash?

[voltlunok]

How does Goku compare to the other members of the Justice League? Like Green Lantern, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Shazam or The Flash?

That depends on a lot of factors. Out right I'll say The Flash wins since the speed force is so outrageously OP it makes superman look tame by comparison. Green Lantern depends on a variety of factors. Which GL? Is he one of many green lanterns or is he the only one left at the time? Is the ring fully charged? It's very dependant on a lot of things so at best I'd give GL a 50/50 spread of wins and loses.

Aqua man is a little iffy. If they fight in water then I'd give aqua man the win due to just how many advantages he'd have, on land is where things get iffy, what incarnation of aqua man? There are lots and some are rather durable and strong, tanking bullets or holding up falling buildings. Does Aqua man get his trident? All that kind of stuff. Wonder Woman was also part of lifting specter so...yeah that's a thing. Outside of that...I don't know Wonder Woman might be able to if she gets some solid hits and combos in. I don't know if they've changed the powers of her lasso again so that may be a factor.

Shazam...is superman lite. He participated in the infinity book feat and has shown at times to be on par with sipes though not all the time. It all depends how desperate Shazam will be in the tail end of the fight, he may risk using the lightning bolt trick on Goku. Again it depends on a lot of things like incarnations, variables and the traits of the characters. Just my opinion though.

Quick edit! While I know some will say and try to argue...Batman has no horse in this match up and would get pasted pretty quick.

Quick edit 2! Discussing this with a friend, he pointed out that the current Wonder Woman is currently the goddess of war in the DCverse so there's that in her favor. Also throwing a hat in for the Martian Manhunter...telepathy, shape shifting, intangibility via density shifting.

Quick edit 3! So continuing to speak with my friend who is a pretty heavy comic nerd. He explained that the number of green lanterns around doesn't really matter, but if a GL got access to the main battery and was able to super charge off of it. Things would go pretty crazy. He also points out...any green lantern besides Hal Jordan (Sadly my favorite of the GLs ) Would be pretty darn powerful against Goku since well...Green Energy constructs are forged from your thoughts, You have John Stewart who is an ex marine AND an architect. Kyle Rainer...an artist with an abundent amount of imagination. Oh and let's not forget...Guy Gardner, the one human green lantern who is A ok with killing his enemies. Also I promise...this is the last quick edit! I'm sorry! I just...I had to!

[Polyphase Avatron]

Aquaman would lose unless he pulls that mind control stuff.

[Bullza]

That depends on a lot of factors.

Well for simplicities sake the New 52 versions of those characters. So that's be the Hal Jordan Green Lantern.

Infact how about New 52 Justice League (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Shazam and Cyborg) vs Z Fighters (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, Mr Buu, Android 18, Krillin and Tien).

[Kid Buu]

Just saw the video and enjoyed it. I wasn't gonna be upset with their outcome either way since it's just their opinion. If you don't like these videos, you don't have to watch them. For example, I stopped watching Abridged a while ago because I felt the quality had dropped after the Namek arc.

[voltlunok]

That depends on a lot of factors.

Well for simplicities sake the New 52 versions of those characters. So that's be the Hal Jordan Green Lantern.

Infact how about New 52 Justice League (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Shazam and Cyborg) vs Z Fighters (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, Mr Buu, Android 18, Krillin and Tenshinhan).

Sadly I think that goes beyond the scoop of this thread. This isn't the all purpose vs thread but to be blunt, if Goku can't stand up to Supes then I don't think everyone else will be able to stand up to the Justice League. Again Wonder Woman is the current goddess of war and is a demigoddess (Daughter of Zeus!). Again the Flash is just...The Flash. Speed Force is OP beyond OP. Superman is superman and Shazam is Superman Lite but he's superman lite with a REALLY POWERFUL NUKE! If he felt confident enough to hold someone in place, he'd risk the lightning gambit to take someone out quick. It's not really in the Z Fighter's favor, I think the only one who could stand up to them is Mr. Buu just due to how he is nearly impossible to kill in a way but...I'm sure they'd find a way.

I know this really isn't what people wanna hear. I mean I love Dragon Ball and all that as much as everyone but...they aren't the top of the totem pole like we used to think. They're strong yes! They're great characters yes! But there are reasons the Justice League is considered to be akin to gods. I'm not trying to be all DC Fanboy and in fact I don't like DC that much outside of their cartoons. But they are pretty darn overpowered and overall...Batman, Cyborg and maybe Aquaman are the few that would go down at the hands of the Z Fighters.

So overall yeah that's about as much as I'd say to that. They'd take out Batman so...hey DBZ beat batman! That's a thing! Right? I think these kinds of VS match are interesting to think about but it does require putting the faith and fire you carry for your fandom down for a bit and looking at things from an outside perspective. Hope that satisfies some of your curiosity. Anyways, I think my work is done here. Have a nice day!

[singsing]

Batman? Go down to the Z-fighters? Pls, he's BAT-GOD now http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/ima ... 843054.jpg

[miguelnuva1]

Well after a lot of thought here is finally my reaction to Goku vs Superman in Death Battle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HkyayA ... e=youtu.be

[Mewzard]

I really hate that line in Vs. The Elites about it being "like 15 suns going off in his face". That's obviously total nonsense, as that would have destroyed the moon... along with the solar system.

Seriously, you can't just concentrate that much energy into one place and not have huge, expansive consequences. I can understand if he was spouting hyperbole, but it's a gross misrepresentation of that kind of power.

Then you really wouldn't like what Saint Seiya did with the Athena Exclamation.

Spoiler:

The Athena Exclamation is an attack where three Gold Saints pool their power into one attack which rivals the Big Bang that created the universe in power, but small scale in comparison to the Big Bang itself. Naturally, Athena forbade her Saints from using it due to the raw destructive power of it.

This was even stated by a narration, not by characters.

Fiction loves doing the impossible. The controlled destruction when such force should ruin a world (Dragon Ball anyone). Speed surpassing the speed of light, when even approaching the speed of light with mass gets exponentially more difficult (The Flash lives for breaking this rule).

The impossible being made possible is what makes fiction in many cases (especially Shonen and Superhero stories).

[voltlunok]

Then you really wouldn't like what Saint Seiya did with the Athena Exclamation.

Spoiler:

The Athena Exclamation is an attack where three Gold Saints pool their power into one attack which rivals the Big Bang that created the universe in power, but small scale in comparison to the Big Bang itself. Naturally, Athena forbade her Saints from using it due to the raw destructive power of it.

This was even stated by a narration, not by characters.

Fiction loves doing the impossible. The controlled destruction when such force should ruin a world (Dragon Ball anyone). Speed surpassing the speed of light, when even approaching the speed of light with mass gets exponentially more difficult (The Flash lives for breaking this rule).

The impossible being made possible is what makes fiction in many cases (especially Shonen and Superhero stories).

It should be noted though that the Athena Exclamation is a double edge sword since most of the time the users will die from the explosion of power...unless you're Leo Regulus. Then you just say screw the rules and perform Athena Exclamation all by yourself and live...damnit Regulus you were awesome.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Didn't Regulus use an even more powerful form called Zodiac Exclamation or something? It seemed like a Deus Ex Machina to me.

[voltlunok]

Didn't Regulus use an even more powerful form called Zodiac Exclamation or something? It seemed like a Deus Ex Machina to me.

Regulus can use Athena Exclamation on his own but he also (Due to a unique ability of his own. He can copy a technique to perfection and surpass the original user just by watching.) Has a technique that is basically him rapid fire using the signature moves of the other 11 gold saints as well as Leo's. It's called Zodiac Clamation, it's said to exceed Athena Exclamation in terms of power.

[ConfusedPhantom]

Eh, this second Death Battle didn't feel all that necessary. It kind of felt like they made this just to make fans stop asking them for a rematch. It was also kind of ridiculous that this was even more one-sided than the first one was. : /

[ssjjanemba]

SSJ3 Goku vs Superman would be a great fight. SSGSS goku vs superman? LOL. That version of Goku got one shotted by Sorbet. Superman would effortlessly dispatch of that version of Goku.

[pacz360]

SSJ3 Goku vs Superman would be a great fight. SSGSS goku vs superman? LOL. That version of Goku got one shotted by Sorbet. Superman would effortlessly dispatch of that version of Goku.

You realize goku had his guard down when sorbet hit him right? Swear people tend to forget that not that it would change the outcome mind you .

[ssjjanemba]

SSJ3 Goku vs Superman would be a great fight. SSGSS goku vs superman? LOL. That version of Goku got one shotted by Sorbet. Superman would effortlessly dispatch of that version of Goku.

You realize goku had his guard down when sorbet hit him right? Swear people tend to forget that not that it would change the outcome mind you .

So if Goku had his guard down, could Mr.Satan wound him with a pistol?