Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
Doctor. wrote:It makes more sense in the manga because Hit is a complete weakling there and Black already has SS from the get-go, but yeah, in the anime it doesn't make much sense to think Black and Zamasu could have killed Hit and Black remained a weakling.
Then again, Trunks did say when Goku and Black were fighting that it seemed like Black was stronger in the future, so it seems Black was hiding his power against Goku. So, realistically, he was SS3-tier or so in base. We also don't know if he has access to SS like manga Black does, he went straight to Rosé.
Still, given Black's desire for battle and Hit's various, so far anime exclusive lethal abilities, it seems really unlikely Black would survive against anime Hit
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
Doctor. wrote:It makes more sense in the manga because Hit is a complete weakling there and Black already has SS from the get-go, but yeah, in the anime it doesn't make much sense to think Black and Zamasu could have killed Hit and Black remained a weakling.
Then again, Trunks did say when Goku and Black were fighting that it seemed like Black was stronger in the future, so it seems Black was hiding his power against Goku. So, realistically, he was SS3-tier or so in base. We also don't know if he has access to SS like manga Black does, he went straight to Rosé.
Still, given Black's desire for battle and Hit's various, so far anime exclusive lethal abilities, it seems really unlikely Black would survive against anime Hit
Black probably wouldn't. But Zamasu definitely would regardless of what abilities Hit uses
Doctor. wrote:It makes more sense in the manga because Hit is a complete weakling there and Black already has SS from the get-go, but yeah, in the anime it doesn't make much sense to think Black and Zamasu could have killed Hit and Black remained a weakling.
Then again, Trunks did say when Goku and Black were fighting that it seemed like Black was stronger in the future, so it seems Black was hiding his power against Goku. So, realistically, he was SS3-tier or so in base. We also don't know if he has access to SS like manga Black does, he went straight to Rosé.
Still, given Black's desire for battle and Hit's various, so far anime exclusive lethal abilities, it seems really unlikely Black would survive against anime Hit
Black probably wouldn't. But Zamasu definitely would regardless of what abilities Hit uses
True but Zamasu is a total scrub who Hit could probably send flying to another planet if he just looked at him.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
They had exactly the same music the US versions had...that being said, I don't think Legacy of Goku 1 ever had Faulconer.
Robo4900 wrote:Mouse is BRILLIANT SCIENTIST dumb.
CAT LOVES FOOD dumb.
Jack is just kinda dumb.
Spoiler:
It's believable someone would name a mouse Jack.
It's not at all believable someone would call a mouse Mouse.
Takes you straight out of the experience.
Neither line is good, but Funi's is so much worse [when compared to Blue Water's].
Doctor. wrote:Will we ever get to see Cell's reincarnation?
You mean Son Goten? Just wait until puberty kicks in.
So Son Goten = Black = Cell? Red ribbon can't stop destroying trunks life smh.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Maybe I should start making it a point not to comment when I'm not sure of something. Too many people know what they're talking about around here.
Disclaimer: I might get into a disagreement with you. Sometimes I might even get feisty about it. I'll never harbor negative feelings because of it though. I hope you feel the same way!
I made a bet with Alee9977 that Vegeta won't be beaten quickly by an opponent. If I lose, I switch my avatar to Vegeta getting beat by hit. If I win, he switches it to Vegeta holding Black by his hair. This will last a month.
Let's say that in the Buu arc, Goku came down to Earth for a day that wasn't the Tenkaichi Budokai. If he had sex with Chi-Chi, would he be able to impregnate her? He did get to keep his body after death, but he was still dead.
So, Justin Chatwin, who played Goku in the (in)famous Dragon Ball Evolution has also just played Superman (or rather a very big expy of him) in the Doctor Who 2016 Christmas special.
Yes folks: we live in a world where Goku portrayed Superman!
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
ekrolo2 wrote:So, Justin Chatwin, who played Goku in the (in)famous Dragon Ball Evolution has also just played Superman (or rather a very big expy of him) in the Doctor Who 2016 Christmas special.
Yes folks: we live in a world where Goku portrayed Superman!
This proves that Goku and Superman are soulmates destined unite as one and conquer the multimedia universe.
YOU. CAN'T. STOP. THEM.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
kinisking wrote:Now that I think about it, is there any proof that Tien and Piccolo still train? We all kind of assume but has it been stated? I think Piccolo's more if a train to maintain guy at this point while tien trains to grow.
Because all the characters love martial arts so you need to provide evidence to the contrary advocating any change in the “they all train ” status quo.
Why is everyone so motivated to do this? Is it like GT where you want to put other characters down just to make saiyan characters look better by contrast? Because that's never actually even worked anyway.
Don't take me the wrong way man, I love Tien. I wouldn't try to make him look worse for Saiyans to look better. Although I wouldn't say all the characters love martial arts. I think it's pretty clear that Yamcha, Krillin, Goten, Trunks and Gohan have been slacking on their training.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Maybe I should start making it a point not to comment when I'm not sure of something. Too many people know what they're talking about around here.
Disclaimer: I might get into a disagreement with you. Sometimes I might even get feisty about it. I'll never harbor negative feelings because of it though. I hope you feel the same way!
I made a bet with Alee9977 that Vegeta won't be beaten quickly by an opponent. If I lose, I switch my avatar to Vegeta getting beat by hit. If I win, he switches it to Vegeta holding Black by his hair. This will last a month.
ekrolo2 wrote:
Yes folks: we live in a world where Goku portrayed Superman!
Does that mean now that Goku's power is on the same limitless bullshit tier as Superman ?
Well Superman's power sure as hell ain't limitless. That was just some BS that Death Battle said and for some reason people take Death Battle's word as fact.
ekrolo2 wrote:
Yes folks: we live in a world where Goku portrayed Superman!
Does that mean now that Goku's power is on the same limitless bullshit tier as Superman ?
Well Superman's power sure as hell ain't limitless. That was just some BS that Death Battle said and for some reason people take Death Battle's word as fact.
Considering the fact he seemingly taps out in Prime One Million, his power isn't limitless, its just vastly higher than what most protagonists well ever scratch.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:
Does that mean now that Goku's power is on the same limitless bullshit tier as Superman ?
Well Superman's power sure as hell ain't limitless. That was just some BS that Death Battle said and for some reason people take Death Battle's word as fact.
Considering the fact he seemingly taps out in Prime One Million, his power isn't limitless, its just vastly higher than what most protagonists well ever scratch.
This. I am tired of explaining this very fact to everyone but for some stupid reason they all believe it limitless..
The Lord moves in mysterious ways but you don't have to. Please use your blinker
TekTheNinja wrote:
Well Superman's power sure as hell ain't limitless. That was just some BS that Death Battle said and for some reason people take Death Battle's word as fact.
Considering the fact he seemingly taps out in Prime One Million, his power isn't limitless, its just vastly higher than what most protagonists well ever scratch.
This. I am tired of explaining this very fact to everyone but for some stupid reason they all believe it limitless..
And I'm tired of people misinterpreting what Death Battle said. They simply said that Superman, as a character archetype, was made to be superior, while Goku is made to be much more of an underdog. It's because of that that Superman's power fluctuates immensely over the years, through the different writers and different interpretations, and, at the end of the day, he is more of a "victim" of what the writer wants, of how superior he wants him to be, than Goku is. In short, Superman is more of an example of a character's power being what the writer and plot wants than Goku is and it's in that sense that he is "limitless", like every character is technically is, really, but that fact/notion just seems to have more importance/relevance for Superman than Goku.
For some reason, when super man vs goku is done people really like to say "whel the fact's sate he iz limitlesss " they say consider the achievements he has done..
And when it's time for Saitama vs goku battle they literally ignore the so called achievements of the character and state he has not shown his true power..
So what exactly is it huh,are we comparing inuniverse achievements or not?
It seems to be kind of a fad to make goku lose anyway because of this limitlessness bullshit, every character is virtually limitless in a sense but for some reason while talking about goku it's ignored
The Lord moves in mysterious ways but you don't have to. Please use your blinker
Ki Breaker wrote:For some reason, when super man vs goku is done people really like to say "whel the fact's sate he iz limitlesss " they say consider the achievements he has done..
And when it's time for Saitama vs goku battle they literally ignore the so called achievements of the character and state he has not shown his true power..
So what exactly is it huh,are we comparing inuniverse achievements or not?
It seems to be kind of a fad to make goku lose anyway because of this limitlessness bullshit, every character is virtually limitless in a sense but for some reason while talking about goku it's ignored
It's called the cult of Goku, not the cult of consistency.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
?
