I meant Vegeta, he said Freeza was alone, meaning he couldn't detect Kuririn and Gohan.
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If the followers of Freeza who destroyed the spaceship of the earthlings could detect Kuririn and Gohan signals, shouldn't Freeza too?
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I myself would classify the competitors this way
Super tier (in order of strength):
- XXI
- Majin Boo from Universe 4
- Vegetto
- Broli
- Son Bra
Top tier
- Goku and Vegeta from Universe 18 (main universe)
- Gotenks
- Oob
- Trunks from Universe 12
- Goku and Vegeta from Universe 13 (Super Saiyans universe)
- Gast Cargolh
- Cell
Less strong participants
- Majin Boo from Universe 11
- South Kaioshin
- Tapion
- King Cold
- Bardock
- Bojack
Least powerfull participants
- Super humans
- Eleim
- No.17 and 18
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I just noticed that Gast's existance is a plot hole. Gast is supposed to be the fusion of all Namekians, right? But Warrior-type & Dragon Clan Namekians can't merge... 
Of course, IIRC, this was stated in the Daizenshuu, not in the series, so Salagir just ignores them. But this makes Toyble's or Youngjiji's DBAF more acceptable than DBM to me... 
Of course, IIRC, this was stated in the Daizenshuu, not in the series, so Salagir just ignores them. But this makes Toyble's or Youngjiji's DBAF more acceptable than DBM to me... James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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But Piccolo merged with Kami...
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This seems to be a special case, since they were one person before. At least Kami & Daimao.Fox666 wrote:But Piccolo merged with Kami...
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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ROFL at Gohan's face.
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It's called "What-if" for a reason.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I just noticed that Gast's existance is a plot hole. Gast is supposed to be the fusion of all Namekians, right? But Warrior-type & Dragon Clan Namekians can't merge...
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Why does everyone rate Fat Boo so low?
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Totally diggin the third panel with the whole mind reading effect going on...Enjoying this special 
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Why does everyone rate "XXI" so high?Saiga wrote:Why does everyone rate Fat Boo so low?
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Also a good question.CaBrPi wrote:Why does everyone rate "XXI" so high?Saiga wrote:Why does everyone rate Fat Boo so low?
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Because the manga needs a major villain, which XXI seems to be.
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He doesn't have to be strong to be the main villain though.rereboy wrote:Because the manga needs a major villain, which XXI seems to be.
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Where does Freeza rank on the tier list? I guess he would rank pretty high if Salagir gives him a 5th form during his battle against Nappa.
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Because XXI is the being who sealed the Elder Kaioshin into the Z Sword in Multiverse, and according to the old guy's statements in the manga, even though he was inferior to Buu, he was still a pretty big threat. All this happened about 70 million years before Buu was even created, and about 75 million and some change before the current story...assuming he went undefeated/sealed/whatever in his universe, that is a LOT of time to increase your power.Saiga wrote:Also a good question.CaBrPi wrote:Why does everyone rate "XXI" so high?
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This is DBZ, where random abilities are made up on the spot, you realize...so there's easily a few explanations:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I just noticed that Gast's existance is a plot hole. Gast is supposed to be the fusion of all Namekians, right? But Warrior-type & Dragon Clan Namekians can't merge...
-Freeza killed off all of one clan, so the rest realized they had no chance and merged.
-They gathered the Dragonballs and wished to be merged.
-Guru realized the race's end was near and, in desperation, broke the magical rules of merging.
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Since Dragon Ball has always been about power more than anything, it doesn't make sense to assume otherwise, even though its possible.Saiga wrote:He doesn't have to be strong to be the main villain though.rereboy wrote:Because the manga needs a major villain, which XXI seems to be.
Or such rule doesn't exist in that universe, for whatever reason, and, because of that, they actually thought of merging when Freeza attacked and did it.testing223 wrote:This is DBZ, where random abilities are made up on the spot, you realize...so there's easily a few explanations:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I just noticed that Gast's existance is a plot hole. Gast is supposed to be the fusion of all Namekians, right? But Warrior-type & Dragon Clan Namekians can't merge...
-Freeza killed off all of one clan, so the rest realized they had no chance and merged.
-They gathered the Dragonballs and wished to be merged.
-Guru realized the race's end was near and, in desperation, broke the magical rules of merging.
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Wouldn't it be something if XXI turns out to be the ORIGINAL Legendary Super Saiyin from so long ago?
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Dear God, NO! I want's an original villain, with cool transformations and cool powers, and he has to be the strongest being.testing223 wrote:Wouldn't it be something if XXI turns out to be the ORIGINAL Legendary Super Saiyin from so long ago?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Haha, it was just a suggestion.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Dear God, NO! I want's an original villain, with cool transformations and cool powers, and he has to be the strongest being.testing223 wrote:Wouldn't it be something if XXI turns out to be the ORIGINAL Legendary Super Saiyin from so long ago?
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I wouldn't mind the villain being a Makaioshin. It makes sence too, for a Makaioshin sealing a Kaioshin.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.