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TheGmGoken
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:38 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:TheGmGoken wrote:I'm talking about Vegetto not Gogeta. Vegetto is potara not fusion dance.
And the difference is...? Even though they look different and have different power, it's the same thing.
TheGmGoken wrote:Vegeta doesn't have Vegetto underhim so I guess it's not a form for Vegeta then.
Are you serious now?
1. One is a perm fusion which isn't a transformation and the other one is not forever. A transformation(in DB) isn't forever
2. Yes I am. Seeing as you're using Daizenshuu and sayinhg since Video games and Daizenshuu said it;s a form of Goku. I gave a counter
On Topic: Gohan(Cyborg arc Pre ROSAT) vs Vegeta(Freeza arc post Zenkai from Krillin)
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:41 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:One is a perm fusion which isn't a transformation and the other one is not forever. A transformation(in DB) isn't forever
Since when was that a rule? (BTW, Cell & Baby say "hi".)
TheGmGoken wrote:Yes I am. Seeing as you're using Daizenshuu and sayinhg since Video games and Daizenshuu said it;s a form of Goku. I gave a counter
OK, you are trolling now.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:10 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:One is a perm fusion which isn't a transformation and the other one is not forever. A transformation(in DB) isn't forever
Since when was that a rule? (BTW, Cell & Baby say "hi".)
TheGmGoken wrote:Yes I am. Seeing as you're using Daizenshuu and sayinhg since Video games and Daizenshuu said it;s a form of Goku. I gave a counter
OK, you are trolling now.
1. Isn't a rule. Just how it went in the series. Cell can revert seeing as he went from Perfect to Semi perfect. Bebi took powers from others.
2. I'm dead serious. If it was a form for Vegeta then it should be under Vegeta.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:15 pm
So, you decide to both make up rules and play stupid. Yeah... I'm done here.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:17 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:So, you decide to both make up rules and play stupid. Yeah... I'm done here.
I just said it wasn't a rule. I said in the Db series all transformations have not been perm. Each has been reverted. While the Potara is perm and is NOT a transformation. Also I wasn't even trolling so saying I'm playing "stupid" is just un needed. You said the Daizenshuu list it as a form for Goku(Did the same for Gotenks) and I pointed out that it's not under Vegeta.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:27 pm
TheGmGoken wrote:Each has been reverted.
Vegetto reverted back to Goku & Vegeta as well.
TheGmGoken wrote:While the Potara is perm and is NOT a transformation.
I don't understand how it being permanent or temporary makes any difference. And I don't understand why you talk about it as if it's a fact.
TheGmGoken wrote:You said the Daizenshuu list it as a form for Goku(Did the same for Gotenks) and I pointed out that it's not under Vegeta.
And was pointing the super-obvious mistake really needed?!
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:31 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:TheGmGoken wrote:Each has been reverted.
Vegetto reverted back to Goku & Vegeta as well.
TheGmGoken wrote:While the Potara is perm and is NOT a transformation.
I don't understand how it being permanent or temporary makes any difference. And I don't understand why you talk about it as if it's a fact.
TheGmGoken wrote:You said the Daizenshuu list it as a form for Goku(Did the same for Gotenks) and I pointed out that it's not under Vegeta.
And was pointing the super-obvious mistake really needed?!
1. They defused not reverted. It's not like what Cell did when he went back to his lavar form.
2. I'm not going to say "IMO" on every post. I thought it was quite obvious it wasn't fact. Also one thing that fact is that EVERYTIME someone transforms in DB they revert. Some-how they do.
3. Yes. Yes it was.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:38 pm
TheGmGoken wrote:Also one thing that fact is that EVERYTIME someone transforms in DB they revert. Some-how they do.
Because no one stays permanently in one form in DB. Except Baby.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:39 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:TheGmGoken wrote:Also one thing that fact is that EVERYTIME someone transforms in DB they revert. Some-how they do.
Because no one stays permanently in one form in DB. Except Baby.
Exactly my point. Fusion isn't a transformation. Anyways this is pointless. So I'm done.
Vegeta(Zarbon round 1) vs Dr. Uiro/Wheelo
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by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Sun Nov 03, 2013 3:37 pm
I think Wheelo is as powerful as Saiyan Saga Vegeta, so Vegeta would have a huge advantage in power. Vegeta would pummel Wheelo until he decides to release that Planet Geyser attack--which Vegeta would counter with his Gyarrikku Ho and turn him into space dust.
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by Kaboom » Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:27 pm
Well, if we presume that Goku's more-or-less his Saiyan-arc self in Movie 2, what with him pulling off multi-level Kaio-Kens and stuff... then with the way Dr. Uiro was able to counter his KK-fueled Kamehameha much the same way Vegeta was, then one could probably consider those two as movie-series counterparts of sorts. Thing is, even after the beam clash, Dr. Uiro's ki was noted to be getting even stronger as the fight was brought up into the sky. I think that might have been a throwback to Vegeta going Oozaru in his fight with Goku.
So as far as the matchup goes, I think Vegeta would only win if he goes Oozaru.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:28 pm
Kaboom wrote:
So as far as the matchup goes, I think Vegeta would only win if he goes Oozaru.
I thought Vegeta didn't have a tail during Namek. Unless you mean when he said "His tail would grow back"
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by Kaboom » Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:34 pm
I just meant hypothetically, like he'd have to transform or something in order to win.
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by Tyro » Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:45 pm
Dr. Uiro's blast was capable of dominating Goku's Kaio-ken x3 Kamehameha whereas Vegeta's Gyarrik-Ho seemed to be exactly equal with it. That should demonstrate that he's somewhat stronger than Vegeta was on Earth. But Vegeta on Namek should be able to beat him, being about as strong Kaio-ken x3 Goku was, and he broke his arm off after only a couple of attacks.
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by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:06 pm
I haven't seen the Wheelo battle in ages, so I'll probably need to watch it again to have a better understanding.
Kaboom, was his Chi stated to be getting stronger as he was preparing to unleash his Planet Geyser attack?
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by Kaboom » Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:18 pm
Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:Kaboom, was his Chi stated to be getting stronger as he was preparing to unleash his Planet Geyser attack?
It's been a while since I watched the movie, so I'd have to double-check for exactly when it happened... but his power was definitely observed as still increasing sometime
after his beam clash with Goku. It may have just been in preparation for his next big attack, but I'm not sure.
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by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:26 pm
Oh, I see. Thanks. I need to watch it again myself.
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by Kakashi » Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:14 pm
Kaioken X3 Goku > Doctor Uiru > Saiyan Saga Vegeta is pretty obvious
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by Tyro » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:45 pm
Kakashi wrote:Kaioken X3 Goku > Doctor Uiru > Saiyan Saga Vegeta is pretty obvious
#1) Grammar. Adding something to the conversation. Manners.
#2) Dr. Uiro's chest blast very quickly overtook Goku 3-fold Kaio-ken Kamehameha. Vegeta's Gyarrik-Ho was at a stalemate nearly the whole time. His mechanical limbs weren't up for tanking Goku's 3-fold Kaio-ken attacks, but it's not like Vegeta could do anything either.
