Censorship in Kai: How Do You Feel About It?

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Thu May 07, 2009 8:34 pm

Tweaker wrote:
Kendamu wrote:If maybe that law was applying to something a bit more important than Dragonball, then I wouldn't just sit back and follow the law.
That's the difference here, though--you're subjectively prioritizing importance between Dragon Ball and other facets of your life, which is fair enough and discerns the two well enough; I'm trying to make a point against censorship as a whole, which just so happens to include two different--but still comparable--situations.

Well, your other situation seems much more serious. If you could compare Kai's censorship to a modern TV show from a similar timeslot that allows the exact things that were in Z, then it would be more comparable.

coola · Post by **coola** » Fri May 08, 2009 6:58 am

Personally,i think like most: Kai is Kai,Z is Z{Although some censor is little riddiculous,like black bruise

} I wonder,if fans of Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles would fight today with fans of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,like Kai and Z fans

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Fri May 08, 2009 1:50 pm

No, censorship is wrong and should go away

Censorship exists because things are deemed unsuitable to be around other things. Whether we're talking about blood and nudity in media, sick or harmful people in society, injurious foods or objects, or ideas that would prove subversive and counterproductive to the well-being of the community.

Regardless of whether you believe a specific censorship is fair or right, or makes any sense or whatever. Censorship is there either to protect people or to keep things stable. If there were no censorship at all, there would be no order. Say we did along animated kid penises on television, who's to say they would stop there? Soon we'd have real kid penises, if only because someone said, "It's no big deal." On some shows aired in The States on basic cable w had 95% nude people simulating sex. Without censorship we'd have fully nude people having real sex because "It's no big deal".

At the end of the day, Dragonball is Toei's product. They can do whatever the hell they want to do with it. You don't like the cut? you can either not watch the show and/or go back to he original.

Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Fri May 08, 2009 4:00 pm

If DB Kai is basically a new series who says the episodes are censured?

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Fri May 08, 2009 4:05 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:If DB Kai is basically a new series who says the episodes are censured?

Well I guess it's how you view it, as a new adaptation of the manga or as a remake of Z. Although the manga did have the hole and evrything.

I personally want to view it as a new adaptation but I still don't like the censoring of violence, I'm OK with the rest

ultimateemail5000 · Post by **ultimateemail5000** » Fri May 08, 2009 4:08 pm

DragonBall Kai, has inspired me so much to buy the original Funi/Saban Saiyan and Namek sagas, since Kai is nothing but butchered, edited, and toned down for children. I love DB, but DBK, to me is just Toei telling the fans to fuck off. I gotta admit though, the opening song rocks. I'll probably buy the series when it comes out in the states, but other than that, it's not worth downloading every time an episode comes out. IMO

B · Post by B » Fri May 08, 2009 7:46 pm

ultimateemail5000 wrote:I love DB, but DBK, to me is just Toei telling the fans to fuck off.

"Hey fans, you don't have to sit through twenty minutes of one or two important things happening anymore, fuck you!"

Post by **Kaboom** » Fri May 08, 2009 8:39 pm

ultimateemail5000 wrote:I love DB, but DBK, to me is just Toei telling the fans to fuck off.

B wrote:"Hey fans, you don't have to sit through twenty minutes of one or two important things happening anymore, fuck you!"

"Hey fans, you don't have to listen to the show in 20-year-old mono anymore, fuck you!"

"Hey fans, you're getting an all-new, specially-crafted-by-a-DB-music-veteran soundtrack, fuck you!"

"Hey fans, you get newly re-animated footage, fuck you!"

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Fri May 08, 2009 8:58 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
ultimateemail5000 wrote:I love DB, but DBK, to me is just Toei telling the fans to fuck off.

B wrote:"Hey fans, you don't have to sit through twenty minutes of one or two important things happening anymore, fuck you!"
"Hey fans, you don't have to listen to the show in 20-year-old mono anymore, fuck you!"

"Hey fans, you're getting an all-new, specially-crafted-by-a-DB-music-veteran soundtrack, fuck you!"

"Hey fans, you get newly re-animated footage, fuck you!"

"hey fans you also don't have to see stupid fillers, fuck you"

That's the main reason I'm watching Kai, that and because I think I've never sen Dragon Ball from the first episode to the last unless you count the manga

B · Post by B » Fri May 08, 2009 9:08 pm

Just on the subject of censorship, I would think it'd be fairly obvious these are practices being made to air the show, and that a DVD release would be uncensored.

The question isn't "Is Kai going to be censored on the DVDs?", but actually "Is Kai getting a DVD release at all?"

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Fri May 08, 2009 9:36 pm

B wrote:The question isn't "Is Kai going to be censored on the DVDs?", but actually "Is Kai getting a DVD release at all?"

I'm sure it'll get a DVD release (the question should be "is Kai getting a Dragon Box DVD release?"), and I'm just as sure that the DVD release will feature the same censorship issues the broadcast did.

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Fri May 08, 2009 10:23 pm

Anonymous Friend wrote:Without censorship we'd have fully nude people having real sex because "It's no big deal".

That's horribly unrealistic. Our television market couldn't handle 500 channels of 24/7 porn, with 5% of channels apparently being non-porn.

I don't see what would be wrong with pornography on television anyway. It's already on premium cable channels like Cinemax, after all. It would be more realistic to say that without censorship, we'd have less content on television because the channel's restrictions would force the network to either find a timeslot air it with the "objectionable" material or not air it altogether.

[["No censorship" in this case would refer to no altering of original material, rather than not airing it, since that's the method of censorship that is relevant in this situation.]]

Rod wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:
B wrote:"Hey fans, you don't have to sit through twenty minutes of one or two important things happening anymore, fuck you!"
"Hey fans, you don't have to listen to the show in 20-year-old mono anymore, fuck you!"

"Hey fans, you're getting an all-new, specially-crafted-by-a-DB-music-veteran soundtrack, fuck you!"

"Hey fans, you get newly re-animated footage, fuck you!"
"hey fans you also don't have to see stupid fillers, fuck you"

I doubt a lot of this is "for the fans". A good majority of the new stuff is to cash in on a new generation without having to spend the money they would on making a whole new show. They ran into a wall with pleasing the fans, after all. Dragon Box and the singles are out, the uber-fans have been pleased, now they need someone else to sell toys to.

I just don't see Kai as a "favor".

B · Post by B » Fri May 08, 2009 10:32 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote:
B wrote:The question isn't "Is Kai going to be censored on the DVDs?", but actually "Is Kai getting a DVD release at all?"
I'm sure it'll get a DVD release (the question should be "is Kai getting a Dragon Box DVD release?"), and I'm just as sure that the DVD release will feature the same censorship issues the broadcast did.

Why are you so sure?

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Fri May 08, 2009 10:40 pm

B wrote:
SSj_Rambo wrote:
B wrote:The question isn't "Is Kai going to be censored on the DVDs?", but actually "Is Kai getting a DVD release at all?"
I'm sure it'll get a DVD release (the question should be "is Kai getting a Dragon Box DVD release?"), and I'm just as sure that the DVD release will feature the same censorship issues the broadcast did.
Why are you so sure?

Maybe because these days, almost everything gets a DVD release

B · Post by B » Fri May 08, 2009 11:40 pm

I meant the censorship being on the DVDs. There's no point to that.

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Sat May 09, 2009 12:01 am

B wrote:I meant the censorship being on the DVDs. There's no point to that.

True, they wouldn't be restricted by anything since a 4 year old can't wonder into a DVD like wondering into a channel, is they release a DVD the most logical thing would be to have both censored and uncensored versions

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Sat May 09, 2009 12:16 am

B wrote:
SSj_Rambo wrote:
B wrote:The question isn't "Is Kai going to be censored on the DVDs?", but actually "Is Kai getting a DVD release at all?"
I'm sure it'll get a DVD release (the question should be "is Kai getting a Dragon Box DVD release?"), and I'm just as sure that the DVD release will feature the same censorship issues the broadcast did.
Why are you so sure?

About a DVD release: Because, like Rod said, pretty much everything these days makes its way to DVD. Also because Toei's reasoning behind investing all of this time in remastering an old cartoon in HD probably wasn't so that the select few people in Japan who have the necessary channels and TV to view the show in HD (and happen to be Dragonball fans) can have their dreams fulfilled. They plan to make buttloads of money off of this, and their proven method of doing this (with several of their anime series') is to release an expensive boxset with many exclusive features, and then release a multitude of individual discs.

About the (presumed) DVD release not being uncensored: It just seems unlikely that Toei made a hard-copy of everything after it had been remastered in HD and touched up and everything, and then went through and made a hard-copy of everything with edits so that it can be aired on TV. Honestly, it just seems like soooo much work for such a minor thing. And really, how many people are bothered by the censoring? A very small minority (which we are a part of), and just how often does Toei tailor to our (as the minority) specific requests/desires (which include the third DBZ TV special, English subs, complete BGM release, releases of other bonus materials, etc.,)? Not very often. So why would they do it now, when the cost on their end would be even greater, and the audience that will be pleased is so much smaller?

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Sat May 09, 2009 1:33 am

Uncensored anime DVD releases happen all the time. I don't know why you think it's some kind of big deal...

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Sat May 09, 2009 2:48 am

Rod wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:
ultimateemail5000 wrote:I love DB, but DBK, to me is just Toei telling the fans to fuck off.

B wrote:"Hey fans, you don't have to sit through twenty minutes of one or two important things happening anymore, fuck you!"
"Hey fans, you don't have to listen to the show in 20-year-old mono anymore, fuck you!"

"Hey fans, you're getting an all-new, specially-crafted-by-a-DB-music-veteran soundtrack, fuck you!"

"Hey fans, you get newly re-animated footage, fuck you!"
"hey fans you also don't have to see stupid fillers, fuck you"

That's the main reason I'm watching Kai, that and because I think I've never sen Dragon Ball from the first episode to the last unless you count the manga

"Hey Fans, we released the entire series on completely uncut, uncropped, and unedited DVDs with a gorgeous remastering job before we even did anything with Kai, Fuck You!!"

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Sat May 09, 2009 3:05 am

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:Uncensored anime DVD releases happen all the time. I don't know why you think it's some kind of big deal...

Uncensored anime that also got a censored release? And did these uncensored DVD releases feature footage that had anything similar to what's going on with Kai done to them (censoring-wise)? I don't mean to sound snarky or anything, I just really didn't think anime got that much treatment in Japan.

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