Question about Krillin

[medj]

We all know how Krillin always seemed to be the lowest powered of all the Z-fighters. Just for the sake of simplicity, let's take GT out of this question. What I wonder is if even at the end of Z, was Krillin strong enough to beat final form Frieza. I would assume he would have at least been able to defeat Frieza's first and second forms. We didn't really get a sense on how Krillin measured up to other fighter's after the Frieza saga, so I wonder just how strong he was.

[batistabus]

I always thought Krillin was stronger than Yamcha at least. And definitely stronger than Chaozu. Does Yajirobe count as a Z fighter? If so, him too.

[Savage68]

I wouldn't even put Krillin past Freeza's 1st form, to be honest.

[Rocketman]

Krillin could defeat Freeza, but only with the Kienzan. without it, I doubt he could fight Ginyu.

[Makaioshin]

I personally put him as the strongest earthling(out of Yajirobe, Chaozu, Yamcha, and Tenshinhan) and at about Ginyu's level.

Krillin could defeat Freeza, but only with the Kienzan. without it, I doubt he could fight Ginyu.

It would have to hit vertically or hit his head since we already know he can survive with his lower half missing.

[Gaffer Tape]

Yeah, he's definitely been consistently shown to be more powerful than Yamucha, Chaozu, and Yajirobe. Tenshinhan is slightly debatable. All the times they were shown together, Kuririn was always greatly outclassed, but with the humans' later reduced role in the show, it becomes harder to tell later on. And then you have Yamucha's line that Kuririn is the strongest earthling near the end of the series.

[Kid Buu]

Krillin could defeat Freeza, but only with the Kienzan. without it, I doubt he could fight Ginyu.

He could also beat the even stronger Android #17 like this...but then again I wonder if he would want to kill his brother in law.

[Bussani]

His last major power up came from Saichourou unlocking his power. The only training we can be sure he did after that was the three years on Earth leading up to the Androids. All the biggest power ups at that stage come from doing really weird training, though--not just the same old stuff on Earth. Three years might be a long time, but he'd have to get over 9000 (har...but seriously, no joke) times stronger to even match Freeza's max final form power. That would be pretty damn incredible for a human doing normal training on Earth.

[caejones]

Yajirobe is implied to be much stronger than Krillin in the Piccolo Daimao arc.
It's way less clear by the fight with Vegeta, and I think it's safe to assume that Yajirobe just sat around after that, while Krillin didn't.

As for Krillin Vs. Freeza...
I don't see any reason to believe that Krillin reached the level of Freeza's first form, other than maybe his anime sparring with #18.

[B]

Didn't Toriyama mention somewhere in the Daizenshuu interviews that, eventually, Krillin outclassed Tenshinhan?

[Travis Touchdown]

I've never considered Krillin to be stronger than Yamcha or Tenshinhan. I personally only thought of him stronger than Yamcha at the 21st Budokai, where he'd been trained by Master Roshi and Yamcha was still going off of his own training. After Goku left Tenshinhan in the dust, it always seemed like Yamcha was Tenshinhan's new rival.

Until the Buu saga where Yamcha quit training and Tenshinhan kept going further.

[Dayspring]

Once the early android saga came along (SSJ Goku vs #19), it's still implied that Freeza is insanely powerful by Tenshinhan. In other words, Tenshinhan's BP is less than 120 million. However, his Shin Kikoho could have possibly taken out Imperfect Cell (when he was strong enough to assimilate #17).

I think the fact that Krillin's Kienzan could have feasably killed someone literally 100x stronger than him (Krillin was "over 10,000" and second form Freeza was "over 1,000,000"), with close to four years intense training, it's feasable enough for him to take out Freeza. We see that 10 months of intense training is enough to go from a resting BP of 260 to 1083. That's a 4.16x increase. Assuming it's like that for every 10 months of intense training, and assuming the "close to four years" for the three years of training was 40 months, that means Krillin went from "over 10,000" to over 2,994,837. That's ignoring the fact that the stronger you are, the harder you can train (meaning the increase should be larger than 4.16x for each 10 months). So from a purely BP standpoint, he's at least stronger than Goku (pre-Kaiokens) when Goku fought Freeza, who was stronger than third form Freeza once the android saga comes along.

So is it plausible for him to become stronger than Freeza by the end of the series? I say no, because somewhere in the next seven years he retires from martial arts. Prior to that retirement, he's not training anywhere near as intensely as for the Saiyans or Androids, because of a time of peace. However, depending on his skills, he may actually take out final form Freeza, because he's already proven he can use the Kienzan to take out someone with a BP 100x stronger, while 100% Freeza would only be less than 40x stronger.

[Bussani]

That's a 4.16x increase. Assuming it's like that for every 10 months of intense training, and assuming the "close to four years" for the three years of training was 40 months, that means Krillin went from "over 10,000" to over 2,994,837. That's ignoring the fact that the stronger you are, the harder you can train (meaning the increase should be larger than 4.16x for each 10 months).

Of course, just being able to endure harder training probably isn't enough. Kuririn made great strides training at Kami's Palace under Kami himself and Popo because they're good teachers, because the lookout itself has conditions you need to adapt to, and because he had a lot of room for improvement. It was probably the best place to train on Earth until the Room of Spirit and Time was revealed. Once Kuririn mastered the training there, the increases in strength probably declined rather than progressing linearly. To make matters worse, Kuririn came back from Namek much stronger than that. Finding a sufficient training method on Earth by that point would be a challenge, I think.

In short, I think going from a low level to a medium level under Earth conditions is easier than going from a medium level to a high level under Earth conditions.

[Questrider]

I always thought that a great indication of power was when the Z fighters were all lining up and taking shots at Cell while Gohan was wresting with the kamehameha wave.
There's one shot in particular where Tien, Yamcha, Krillin, and Piccolo are all firing at once. They get knocked back in this order:
Yamcha, Krillin, Tien, then finally Piccolo.
This is a small bit of evidence that puts Krillin behind Tien.
As far as facing Freeza?
Let me think about that...
Not sure how strong Krillin was at the end but I do recall Goku telling Krillin to get the fuck out of Dodge when Dabra was on the scene who was comparable to Cell.
In order for Krillin to beat Freeza, Krillin would have had to reach Super Saiyan levels and I honestly don't think he was ever conveyed to have that type of power.

Edit: Did this site just changet my spelling of T I E N to Tien?
I think it just did. That's pretty wild.

[Gaffer Tape]

Well, unfortunately, the entire sequence where the four heroes fire at Cell isn't in the manga. It's filler. However, I would agree with the anime that that's probably the correct order.

[Makaioshin]

I always thought that a great indication of power was when the Z fighters were all lining up and taking shots at Cell while Gohan was wresting with the kamehameha wave.
There's one shot in particular where Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Krillin, and Piccolo are all firing at once. They get knocked back in this order:
Yamcha, Krillin, Tenshinhan, then finally Piccolo.
This is a small bit of evidence that puts Krillin behind Tenshinhan.

Like Gaffer Tape said, that scene is filler and not present in the manga.
From the Namek arc on I see Kuririn as being superior to Tenshinhan. Specially when he got his potential unlocked from Saichourou.

Edit: Did this site just changet my spelling of T I E N to Tenshinhan?
I think it just did. That's pretty wild.

Yeah, that's the filter. It also does that for Frieza(changes to Freeza) and Hercule(changes to Mr. Satan). Those are the only three I know of.

[Bussani]

From the Namek arc on I see Kuririn as being superior to Tenshinhan. Specially when he got his potential unlocked from Saichourou.

That's logical. It seems like those guys only arrived at Kaio's planet when Goku was already on his way to Namek, which means they'd only have been there a few days by the time Kuririn got his power up.

[The Tori-bot]

Yeah, that's the filter. It also does that for Frieza(changes to Freeza) and Hercule(changes to Mr. Satan). Those are the only three I know of.

You sure about that?

Hercule. :3

There's also Fasha, which filters to Selypa, and Turles changes to Tullece.

[Questrider]

What's the H word?

[Bussani]

What's the H word?

It's what "Hercule" gets filtered to.