Movies fitting into the timeline

[MetalMadness]

I know that the Movies are considered not canon, but I thought it would be interesting to discuss which movies could actually fit in the Timeline without contradictions, and which are simple "re-tellings."

Movie 9 fits nicely into the Timeline, doesn't it?

[penguintruth]

Movie 9 and maybe movie 13 if you reason that the closing credits with Future Trunks using his sword is only intended to show that now this timeline's version has a sword and not that the events of this movie is where Future Trunks got his.

[jjgp1112]

I think Movie 5 fits if you're willing to ignore Goku not transforming right away, and definitely Movie 13.

And Movie 7 can fit in the timeline that Trunks from Cell's timeline went to.

[Cipher]

Movies 9 and 13 are the only ones that fit in without a hitch.

But a few of them are only one qualifier away from working. Such as Movie 1 (if Kuririn hadn't met Gohan) and Movie 5 (if Goku hadn't struggled with Super Saiyan).

[penguintruth]

I thought the reason why movie 5 didn't happen was more because Hiyaa Dragon, who comes from a movie that couldn't possibly have happened.

[Cipher]

I thought the reason why movie 5 didn't happen was more because Hiyaa Dragon, who comes from a movie that couldn't possibly have happened.

But he shows up in the series as well, and I certainly don't watch those scenes and think, "Holy shit! We're suddenly viewing an alternate universe!"

Just attribute it a different origin. Gohan found a dragon; it's not unlikely. Meanwhile, Goku not being able to access Super Saiyan, when we specifically know he can in the only time frame this movie could take place in, is something of a large discrepancy. Oh, and so is Piccolo not living with them and running away into the woods. I guess it has a few things wrong with it.

[penguintruth]

I thought the reason why movie 5 didn't happen was more because Hiyaa Dragon, who comes from a movie that couldn't possibly have happened.

But he shows up in the series as well, and I certainly don't watch those scenes and think, "Holy shit! We're suddenly viewing an alternate universe!"

I do, since he only appears in the Garlic Junior filler arc, which is also something that could not have happened.

[Cipher]

I do, since he only appears in the Garlic Junior filler arc, which is also something that could not have happened.

Driving episode and, I'm fairly certain, a few other random cameos as well.

[penguintruth]

I guess you have a point. But only in filler material, right?

We'd also have to get into why Vegeta never shows up in movie 5. Surely he would have detected Coola's ki and come to fight. Maybe he was off in space training?

[MetalMadness]

The whole "super saiyan at the last moment" thing I think is done just for dramatic effect, so that the fight lasts longer, not because they just can't access it.

I mean Gohan took his sweet time going SSJ2 against Bojack in Movie 9.

I also believe Movie 5 could have taken place during the 3 year period before the Android arrival.
Vegeta could have been off training in space, and in that time period Gohan could have more than likely been able to grow his tail back.
The fact that Cooler doesn't know that Trunks killed Frieza and his father could simply be because Trunks killed all of Frieza's men, so no message of the true deaths could be broadcasted.

Either that, or Movie 5 took place in Trunks' timeline where Goku actually did kill them when they came to Earth.

What about Movie 8? I know the whole "Gohan and Goku aren't Super Saiyan" creates contradictions, but couldn't they have just briefly powered down for a day?

[Rocketman]

What about Movie 8? I know the whole "Gohan and Goku aren't Super Saiyan" creates contradictions, but couldn't they have just briefly powered down for a day?

No, that was the entire point of their training, to never power down.

[Cipher]

I mean Gohan took his sweet time going SSJ2 against Bojack in Movie 9.

He couldn't control it then. He'd only used it once at the Cell Games, after exploding with rage.

Compare this to Goku who tells Trunks on no uncertain terms that, although he struggled with it at first, he can now go Super Saiyan at will.

Either that, or Movie 5 took place in Trunks' timeline where Goku actually did kill them when they came to Earth.

Now this actually works fairly well. It explains the lack of references to King Cold and Trunks, the fact that the characters don't appear to be training for anything, and maybe even Goku's lack of Super Saiyan ability. I'd give you this.

What about Movie 8? I know the whole "Gohan and Goku aren't Super Saiyan" creates contradictions, but couldn't they have just briefly powered down for a day?

I think the main objection there is that it just seems ... really stupid. Also, a lot of people would have to really not give a fuck about the impending danger of Cell in order for that to work.

[Metalwario64]

I mean Gohan took his sweet time going SSJ2 against Bojack in Movie 9.

He couldn't control it then. He'd only used it once at the Cell Games, after exploding with rage.

Twice. He also used it when Cell returned and "hurt Trunks pretty badly and I never knew if he was going to make it or not".

[Bussani]

What about Movie 8? I know the whole "Gohan and Goku aren't Super Saiyan" creates contradictions, but couldn't they have just briefly powered down for a day?

I think the main objection there is that it just seems ... really stupid. Also, a lot of people would have to really not give a fuck about the impending danger of Cell in order for that to work.

Maybe this one takes place in the first alternate timeline Trunks created. The one where he finds the blueprints and uses them in his time to shut down the Androids, which then leads to Cell killing him and stealing his time machine. The movie would just assume that the Androids had been shut down by a remote (or something) and that Trunks hasn't returned to his time yet. There wouldn't be a Cell in this timeline, so it might fit.

Considering how poorly I remember the movies, there could well be a detail I'm forgetting that spoils the above theory. Oh...wait...Gohan can go Super Saiyan in movie 8, can't he? And did Trunks have long hair? Damn you, movies!

[penguintruth]

I used to try desperately to justify the movies into continuity, but now I just sort of tell myself it's an alternate universe (and not necessarily the same alternate universe in each movie). I shouldn't even have to say that, though, I should just enjoy them as-is. It's a sickness, I guess.

[Cipher]

Considering how poorly I remember the movies, there could well be a detail I'm forgetting that spoils the above theory. Oh...wait...Gohan can go Super Saiyan in movie 8, can't he? And did Trunks have long hair? Damn you, movies!

Yeah. The characters have definitely been through the ROSAT.

Basically, each movie runs as if the main villain at whatever point it takes place at has been quietly defeated without casualty. So if you really want to define their universes:

Movie 2 and 3 - Goku handily defeated Vegeta on Earth.
Movie 4 - Freeza defeated by someone (Piccolo?), everyone comes back to Earth.
Movie 6 - Androids defeated by Piccolo sets this up nicely.

And so on and so on. But really they're just little side-stories, with 9 and 13 happening to fit in without discrepancies.

[Blue]

I used to try desperately to justify the movies into continuity, but now I just sort of tell myself it's an alternate universe (and not necessarily the same alternate universe in each movie). I shouldn't even have to say that, though, I should just enjoy them as-is. It's a sickness, I guess.

Somebody composed a VERY enjoyable alternative movie time line chronology a long time ago. I had saved it then lost it. I really enjoyed it so if somebody could...erm...find it for me I would be very grateful.

(Yeah I'm sorry for asking for the same thing over and over I just suck at finding threads on my own.)

Edit: Hurray, never mind! I found it all by myself. I'm a big boy now.

Double Edit: I suppose it would help if I posted it huh? Check out page 2.

http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=8773

[Dayspring]

What about Movie 8? I know the whole "Gohan and Goku aren't Super Saiyan" creates contradictions, but couldn't they have just briefly powered down for a day?

I think the main objection there is that it just seems ... really stupid. Also, a lot of people would have to really not give a fuck about the impending danger of Cell in order for that to work.

Maybe this one takes place in the first alternate timeline Trunks created. The one where he finds the blueprints and uses them in his time to shut down the Androids, which then leads to Cell killing him and stealing his time machine. The movie would just assume that the Androids had been shut down by a remote (or something) and that Trunks hasn't returned to his time yet. There wouldn't be a Cell in this timeline, so it might fit.

Considering how poorly I remember the movies, there could well be a detail I'm forgetting that spoils the above theory. Oh...wait...Gohan can go Super Saiyan in movie 8, can't he? And did Trunks have long hair? Damn you, movies!

Movie 7 works under that premise, though, as it can only occur in a timeline visited by Trunks but not Cell, since two criterion need to be met: A) Trunks saving Goku means Gero gets turned into #20. #20 being destroyed means the computer in the sub-basement gets to work on upgrading #13, #14 and #15. B) Cell not being there means the sub-basement doesn't get destroyed by Krillin and Trunks prior to #13, #14 and #15's reactivation.

Thus, movie 7 works perfectly only in the unseen timeline created by the original Trunks, as only it and the series timeline has the events leading to their activation started, but the series timeline has their activation impeded, while movie 7's doesn't.

[mysticboy]

5, 8, 9.

[rereboy]

Movie 9 and maybe movie 13 if you reason that the closing credits with Future Trunks using his sword is only intended to show that now this timeline's version has a sword and not that the events of this movie is where Future Trunks got his.

Movie 13 doesn`t fit in my view because it makes SSJ 3 Goku more powerful than Mystic Gohan, when he should be much weaker. Also, Gotenks defuses because of a punch (what the hell...?). And Piccolo doesn`t show up, I think, which doesn`t make sense.

Movie 9 is the only one who fits without any leap in logic, assuming that Future Trunks came back to the past for a visit after defeating the Androids and Cell in his Timeline, like he was planning to.