What if... Cell absorbed TWO Android 17s?
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What if... Cell absorbed TWO Android 17s?
So I was reading the Piccolo vs. #17 battle the other day, then Cell arrived, and something occurred to me.
What if Cell had managed to absorb #17 in one timeline, then travelled to another timeline and absorbed ANOTHER #17 instead of #18 while in his second form? Would two #17s make him 'complete', or would nothing change?
I always see the question of "What if he absorbed #18 first" popping up, but this one I haven't seen answered yet
What if Cell had managed to absorb #17 in one timeline, then travelled to another timeline and absorbed ANOTHER #17 instead of #18 while in his second form? Would two #17s make him 'complete', or would nothing change?
I always see the question of "What if he absorbed #18 first" popping up, but this one I haven't seen answered yet
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Re: What if... Cell absorbed TWO Android 17s?
I never thought about this.
I'm guessing he'd gain more power from the absorption. I doubt he would gain nothing. What I don't see is another transformation taking place.
I'm guessing he'd gain more power from the absorption. I doubt he would gain nothing. What I don't see is another transformation taking place.
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Re: What if... Cell absorbed TWO Android 17s?
I don't think he would have been able to, and even if he could I don't think he would have been able to evolve into his Perfect form. I see it less of a situation of "putting in two batteries of the same type" (which is what it would be if he could absorb two #17s and evolve to his Perfect form) but more of fitting all the pieces of a puzzle together to get the proper image. Even though they're mostly identical, they are still two distinct entities and therefore likely not interchangeable.
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This poses an interesting question about Cell's design. I guess it depends on how exactly you believe Cell, 18, and 17 work since it is never stated in the series.
We know 17 and 18 are outfitted with Gero's infinite energy reactors, but are the both the same make and model? We are told that 18 is weaker than 17, but is this simply because the device is constructed that way and her model can never increase the energy output to that of 17, or is it the same model with an internal method to raise or lower the output and Gero just chose for 18 to be weaker? If they are both the same make and model then I see no reason why Cell couldn't become perfect using a combination of 17/17, 17/18, or 18/18 unless the creature needs more than the mechanical side of the Jinzoningen to undergo the evolutionary process. Also, if 17 and 18 have completely different models of IERs, then I assume Cell would need one of each.
Personally I believe 17 and 18 have different model IERs, and Cell would have to absorb one of each, though order wouldn't matter of course.
We know 17 and 18 are outfitted with Gero's infinite energy reactors, but are the both the same make and model? We are told that 18 is weaker than 17, but is this simply because the device is constructed that way and her model can never increase the energy output to that of 17, or is it the same model with an internal method to raise or lower the output and Gero just chose for 18 to be weaker? If they are both the same make and model then I see no reason why Cell couldn't become perfect using a combination of 17/17, 17/18, or 18/18 unless the creature needs more than the mechanical side of the Jinzoningen to undergo the evolutionary process. Also, if 17 and 18 have completely different models of IERs, then I assume Cell would need one of each.
Personally I believe 17 and 18 have different model IERs, and Cell would have to absorb one of each, though order wouldn't matter of course.
Re: What if... Cell absorbed TWO Android 17s?
The point of absorbing both of the Androids was not only the power, but also to attain a perfect body.
I don't think that the order of absorption matters much, but in any case, Cell went from a skinny insect into a buff frog and finally to a perfect body which was efficient in battle regarding defense and offense and movement.
Anyways, I think that even though he would get both Android 17s' generators, his body wouldn't change, and thus he wouldn't be perfect.
I don't think that the order of absorption matters much, but in any case, Cell went from a skinny insect into a buff frog and finally to a perfect body which was efficient in battle regarding defense and offense and movement.
Anyways, I think that even though he would get both Android 17s' generators, his body wouldn't change, and thus he wouldn't be perfect.
Re: What if... Cell absorbed TWO Android 17s?
Going by his statements when he first encounters Piccolo, both bodies are necessary for achieving his Perfect form.TrunksTrevelyan0064 wrote:So I was reading the Piccolo vs. #17 battle the other day, then Cell arrived, and something occurred to me.
What if Cell had managed to absorb #17 in one timeline, then travelled to another timeline and absorbed ANOTHER #17 instead of #18 while in his second form? Would two #17s make him 'complete', or would nothing change?
I always see the question of "What if he absorbed #18 first" popping up, but this one I haven't seen answered yet
Two #17's probably wouldn't cut it, since it goes against the framework of his design; it was from absorbing #18 that he was able to birth the Cell Jrs. afterall.
Re: What if... Cell absorbed TWO Android 17s?
When you "crunch the numbers," pardon me, Cell ends up with a lot more power in his Perfect Form than merely that of the two Androids added to himself. So as far as I can figure it, it's not so much a case of needing the Androids for their power, but needing them to attain his Perfect Form, and the power merely comes along with it.
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Re: What if... Cell absorbed TWO Android 17s?
If #17 and #18 were completely the same, why would Gero create two such cyborgs instead of one? Only for Cell?
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Re: What if... Cell absorbed TWO Android 17s?
I don't think much would happen. Cell already got the 'parts' of 17 he needed to become closer to being perfect, and at that point he was strong enough to where I don't think that small of a power boost would help.
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Re: What if... Cell absorbed TWO Android 17s?
Great theory, but I don't think absorbing two #17's would work in the same manner. As others have pointed out, it most likely had something to do with different aspects of #17 & #18.
Forgive the bad analogy but I think it boils down to (making Cell perfect), he needed "Adam & Eve" not "Adam & Steve".
Forgive the bad analogy but I think it boils down to (making Cell perfect), he needed "Adam & Eve" not "Adam & Steve".
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Re: What if... Cell absorbed TWO Android 17s?
Cell also stated that it's in his design to specifically merge with Androids 17 & 18 to attain his perfect form, so it's not just an Android 17's strength X Android 18's strength X Cell's strength = strong power thing. He needs those two things in order to access his full power and true form. So I don't think absorbing two 17s would've given him a boost in strength but he still wouldn't be as strong as he could be in his perfect form, and absorbing the two in a different order from what he did in the show wouldn't have changed how he ended up.
Which is why Vegeta's comment about how if Cell wanted true power, he would've absorbed a Saiyan like him is so nonsensical.
Which is why Vegeta's comment about how if Cell wanted true power, he would've absorbed a Saiyan like him is so nonsensical.
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Re: What if... Cell absorbed TWO Android 17s?
It's not a matter of certain cyborg parts from each, it's completely a matter of absorbing a shitload of power. The strength comes from the transformation itself, while a lot of energy is needed to achieve and maintain the transformations. He could feasably reach Perfect form just by absorbing people for a few months or years. But if he fought at an intensity equal to that of at the Cell Games, he'd use up his energy and revert back to weaker forms. That's why he's specficially after the androids' batteries: it's by far the easiest and fastest way to reach Perfect Form, as well as the only way to maintain it indefinitely because of their infinite power supplies.
For example, let's say the two androids' batteries put off a power of "25." Perfect Form itself has a strength of "100." If his strength ever drops below "20," he reverts to the previous form. So in that sense, it's kind of like a cross between Saiyan and Freeza transformations (which makes sense, since he's derived from their cells). He never needs to worry about dropping below 20, though, because thanks to the androids' batteries, he's incapable of dropping beneath 25. Until he rests, he won't be at 100 again, but he'll never reach 0 like normal fighters could.
So assimilating two #17s would still get him Perfect Form. The fact that #17 is stronger than #18 means the lowest he'd drop to is "30" instead of "25."
For example, let's say the two androids' batteries put off a power of "25." Perfect Form itself has a strength of "100." If his strength ever drops below "20," he reverts to the previous form. So in that sense, it's kind of like a cross between Saiyan and Freeza transformations (which makes sense, since he's derived from their cells). He never needs to worry about dropping below 20, though, because thanks to the androids' batteries, he's incapable of dropping beneath 25. Until he rests, he won't be at 100 again, but he'll never reach 0 like normal fighters could.
So assimilating two #17s would still get him Perfect Form. The fact that #17 is stronger than #18 means the lowest he'd drop to is "30" instead of "25."
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Re: What if... Cell absorbed TWO Android 17s?
I don't know if this is filler or not, but when Bulma is reading Android 17's blueprint and creating the shutdown remote, she notices the complex wiring and machinery in 17's body. I don't remember the exact quote, but she says that the machinery in 17's body is what makes it possible for Cell to be able to merge with the two androids and trigger the transformation, which indicates that he has to absorb Androids 17 & 18 to transform.Dayspring wrote:It's not a matter of certain cyborg parts from each, it's completely a matter of absorbing a shitload of power. The strength comes from the transformation itself, while a lot of energy is needed to achieve and maintain the transformations. He could feasably reach Perfect form just by absorbing people for a few months or years. But if he fought at an intensity equal to that of at the Cell Games, he'd use up his energy and revert back to weaker forms. That's why he's specficially after the androids' batteries: it's by far the easiest and fastest way to reach Perfect Form, as well as the only way to maintain it indefinitely because of their infinite power supplies.
For example, let's say the two androids' batteries put off a power of "25." Perfect Form itself has a strength of "100." If his strength ever drops below "20," he reverts to the previous form. So in that sense, it's kind of like a cross between Saiyan and Freeza transformations (which makes sense, since he's derived from their cells). He never needs to worry about dropping below 20, though, because thanks to the androids' batteries, he's incapable of dropping beneath 25. Until he rests, he won't be at 100 again, but he'll never reach 0 like normal fighters could.
So assimilating two #17s would still get him Perfect Form. The fact that #17 is stronger than #18 means the lowest he'd drop to is "30" instead of "25."
Edit: Turns out it wasn't filler. I'm gonna use a scanlation quote since I don't have my Shonen Jump issues with me:
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Bulma: He used a human base, and used mostly bio-mechanical enhancements. It looks like it might be possible to use this in some kind of cellular fusion.
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Re: What if... Cell absorbed TWO Android 17s?
What Bulma says is that 17 and 18 are mostly human with "bio-organic components" (according to Viz, anyway) enhancing them, and that must be why Cell believes he can fuse with them. I dunno if that proves anything.
Cell says this to Piccolo:
"Human life forces aren't enough for me to complete my growth. I need to merge with two especially powerful life forms... The computer told me whom I needed to merge with... Dr. Gero's creations--androids 17 and 18!"
I assume this is mostly where Dayspring's theory comes from. It seems to fit with the comment, but you could probably interpret it a different way. For instance: "Absorbing energy isn't enough. I have to merge with the bodies of these two powerful beings."
Cell says this to Piccolo:
"Human life forces aren't enough for me to complete my growth. I need to merge with two especially powerful life forms... The computer told me whom I needed to merge with... Dr. Gero's creations--androids 17 and 18!"
I assume this is mostly where Dayspring's theory comes from. It seems to fit with the comment, but you could probably interpret it a different way. For instance: "Absorbing energy isn't enough. I have to merge with the bodies of these two powerful beings."
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Re: What if... Cell absorbed TWO Android 17s?
I think nothing would happen.
It would be like having two cartriges of Pokémon Red and trying to complete the Pokédex.
It would be like having two cartriges of Pokémon Red and trying to complete the Pokédex.
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Re: What if... Cell absorbed TWO Android 17s?
Would it be possible for Cell to die of a system overload or something? Like if you have too many programs working on your PC at the same time it causes it to go slower and eventually crashes.
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