Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[LightBing]

He does. I think Piccolo only goes in once, not really sure.
Was there a scounter reading for the scatter-shot? I don't remember that. Even if it was, charged attacks aren't good measurements for potential. The techniques vary wildly depending on their nature.
The only steady comparison I can remember is the Kamehameha. Tenshinhan learned it immediately upon seeing it once, while Kuririn had witness it many times before, but if I remembered correctly only tried to pull it off during the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai, he did it decently (I'm going from memory, the details are foggy).
So it seems Tenshinhan is more keen to learn techniques, which is one of the parameters used in the series to demonstrate potential.

I remember Daizenshuu 7 giving Krillin's maximum power at around 1770, I don't know if that's for the scatter-shot or that's his default strength but if it's his default, then he's fairly close to Tien's 1830.

One way I can see Tien making big strength gains and possibly coming really close to Krillin again is if his gains mirror those of Piccolo's. During the three-year-training, Goku gets stronger but not overwhelmingly so, I don't even think he's twice as strong as he was when he fought Freeza. Piccolo, however, makes vast gains in strength, almost reaching Super Saiyan levels of power in the process. I believe this is because he spent a long time fighting against a stronger opponent and got bigger gains because of it.

It's like a student fighting his master, the master doesn't have to exert much strength at all to beat the pupil until the gap starts to close between them while the student has to constantly push himself to close said gap. That's how I can see Tien potentially catching up to and possibly even surpassing Krillin, something that gets more likely as Tien seems much more driven to train than Krillin usually is.

I don't really trust guide numbers. Any number that doesn't try to justify itself is suspicious.

I agree with you line of reasoning, sparring with a stronger opponent is one of the best training methods in all of Dragon Ball. I don't see Tenshinhan surpassing Kuririn, I would still put him very close to him.
Regarding Piccolo besides what you theorize I have an extra personal explanation to justify his gains. I believe Nail received the potential unlocked from Elder Guru before Freeza, which was passed on to Piccolo after the merger. So like Kuririn and Gohan, it's effects took some time to fully blossom.
This is my way to handle the almost ridiculous growth of Piccolo.

[ekrolo2]

I don't really trust guide numbers. Any number that doesn't try to justify itself is suspicious.

I agree with you line of reasoning, sparring with a stronger opponent is one of the best training methods in all of Dragon Ball. I don't see Tenshinhan surpassing Kuririn, I would still put him very close to him.
Regarding Piccolo besides what you theorize I have an extra personal explanation to justify his gains. I believe Nail received the potential unlocked from Elder Guru before Freeza, which was passed on to Piccolo after the merger. So like Kuririn and Gohan, it's effects took some time to fully blossom.
This is my way to handle the almost ridiculous growth of Piccolo.

I too think Piccolo's strength gain had to do with his fusion probably giving him a new avenue of potential from which to grow with. Gohan is the one I can't rationalize at all, cause Goku makes no efforts to help him unlock SS during the three-year-gap even though Gohan's relatively close to his base form already. I guess he didn't want Gohan to get too strong so he and maybe Vegeta could have the most fun with 19 & 20?

[LightBing]

I too think Piccolo's strength gain had to do with his fusion probably giving him a new avenue of potential from which to grow with. Gohan is the one I can't rationalize at all, cause Goku makes no efforts to help him unlock SS during the three-year-gap even though Gohan's relatively close to his base form already. I guess he didn't want Gohan to get too strong so he and maybe Vegeta could have the most fun with 19 & 20?

I can think of a number of reasons. The first one is a combinations of selfishness and overconfidence. The arc is set up as guys decide to risk the World just to have a fight, then Goku is told he didn't had an opportunity to fight in the future. I can see that irking him a lot and Goku believing that if he was there, the future would be different.
Second one is, they didn't train that seriously. Goku was quite ahead of Vegeta and let himself get surpassed by him, no disrespect towards Vegeta, which I think is as good as Goku.
While Chi-Chi allowed Gohan to be trained, I think it was in the after-hours. If Goku was keen on getting the Androids all to himself and wasn't yet interested in making Gohan his successor, I can see him neglecting to bring out his full potential and prefer to have fun punch-time with Piccolo.

In the end it's basically: the Saiyans get Super Saiyan, get cocky and because of that get screwed.

[apex_pretador]

So, I thought it would be a fun idea to try and create a power level list that tries to keep power levels as low as possible, while still keeping things like multipliers consistent. In order to do this, I'm ignoring pretty much every stated power level except the levels for the heroes at the beginning of Z. Again, this is just a list I threw together for fun. I'll be changing nearly all multipliers for transformations. I may make another list like this in the future without consistent multipliers, so please try not to judge this list on its multipliers, unless there's a way I can reduce a set multiplier. Feedback is appreciated.

My "Low as Possible" with Consistent Multipliers Power Level List

Multipliers
Oozaru - 5x base
SSJ - 40x base
SSJ Grade 2 - 1.25 x SSJ
SSJ Grade 3 - 1.75 x SSJ
SSJ2 - 2x SSJ
SSJ3 - 1.5x SSJ2
Fusion Dance - 7.5x Fighter with lower ki

Saiyan Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku (Weighted) - 334
Unweighted - 416
Kamehameha - 600

Piccolo (Weighted) - 322
Full Power - 408
Makankosappo (1st Try) - 850
Makankosappo (2nd Try) - 950

Raditz - 800
Injured - 600

Son Gohan - 1
Enraged - 850

Tenshinhan - 250
Kuririn - 206
Yamcha - 177
Chaozu - 145

King Enma - 1000
North Kaio - 1400

1 Year Later
Piccolo - 1350
Tenshinhan - 1000
Yamcha - 840
Chaozu - 500
Yajirobe - 600


Saibamen - 750
Nappa - 1750
Full Power - 2100

Son Goku - 2500
Kaioken x 2 - 5000
Kaioken x 3 - 7500
Kaioken x 4 - 10,000
Genki Dama - 25,000

Vegeta - 5600
Hurt from Kamehameha - 4000
Oozaru - 20,000
Post Oozaru - 3000
Post Genki Dama - 1600

Kuririn - 975
Weak Genki Dama - 5000
Son Gohan - 625
Enraged - 1450
Injured Oozaru - 2500[/spoiler]

Namek Arc
[spoiler]Kuririn - 1100
Potential Unlocked - 4200
Ginyu-Goku Fight - 7500
Son Gohan - 1250
Potential Unlocked - 4800
Ginyu-Goku Fight - 8000

Vegeta - 7500
Post Zarbon Zenkai - 9200
Post Recoome Zenkai - 38,000

Namekian Warriors (Suppressed) - 600 each
Full Power - 1500 each

Freeza Army - 700 each
Cui - 5650
Dodoria - 6250
Zarbon - 6600
Transformed - 9900

Recoome, Jeice, Burter and Nail - 12,000 each
Guldo - 3300

Ginyu - 21,000
In Goku's Body - 7200

Son Goku - 17,500
Kaioken x 2 - 35,000
In Ginyu's Body, Injured - 3500

Freeza (Suppressed) - 27,000[/spoiler]

Freeza Arc
[spoiler]Kuririn - 15,000
Son Gohan - 20,000
Enraged (VS Second Form Freeza) - 54,000
Zenkai - 30,000
Enraged (VS Third Form Freeza) - 84,000

Vegeta - 38,000
Zenkai - 125,000

Piccolo (Weighted) - 20,000
Post Nail Fusion, Weighted - 64,000
Full Power - 80,000

Freeza - 45,000
Second Form (Initial) - 60,000
Second Form, Full Power - 75,000
Third Form - 100,000
True Form (3%) - 165,000
True Form (50%) - 2,750,000
True Form (100%) - 5,500,000

Son Goku - 160,000
Kaioken x 10 - 1,600,000
Kaioken x 20 - 3,200,000
SSJ - 6,400,000[/spoiler]

Trunks Arc
[spoiler]Mecha Freeza - 3,200,000
Unseen Full Power - 6,400,000
King Cold - 4,000,000

Son Gohan - 28,000
Kuririn - 22,500
Tenshinhan - 12,000
Yamcha - 8000
Chaozu - 5,000

Vegeta - 145,000
Piccolo (Weighted) - 140,000

Trunks - 175,000
SSJ - 7,000,000

Son Goku - 195,000
SSJ - 7,800,000[/spoiler]

Android Arc
[spoiler]Son Goku - 230,000
SSJ - 9,200,000
SSJ with Heart Disease - 4,600,000
Vegeta - 235,000
SSJ - 9,400,000
Trunks - 205,000
SSJ - 8,200,000

Piccolo (Weighted) - 5,800,000
Full Power - 7,250,000

Son Gohan - 130,000
Kuririn - 100,000
Tenshinhan - 55,000
Yamcha - 30,000
Chaozu - 20,000

#19 - 4,200,000
Energy Absorbed - 5,500,000
Dr. Gero - 4,800,000
Energy Absorbed - 6,000,000

#18 - 12,500,000
#17 - 13,500,000

Kamicollo (Weighted) - 11,600,000
Full Power - 14,500,000
Post fighting #17 - 12,000,000

Imperfect Cell - 9,600,000
Humans Absorbed - 17,500,000
Semi Perfect Cell - 23,500,000
Full Power - 27,000,000
Perfect Form (Warming Up) - 39,000,000
Bulked Up - 50,000,000

#16 - 16,500,000

Shin Kikoho - 21,000,000

Vegeta - 650,000
SSJ - 26,000,000
SSJ Grade 2 - 32,500,000
Trunks - 600,000
SSJ - 24,000,000
SSJ Grade 2 - 30,000,000
SSJ Grade 3 - 42,000,000[/spoiler]

Cell Games
[spoiler]Son Goku - 2,200,000
50% SSJ - 44,000,000
SSJ - 88,000,000
Kamehameha - 100,000,000

Son Gohan - 2,750,000
SSJ - 110,000,000
SSJ2 - 220,000,000

Perfect Cell (VS Goku/Gohan) - 97,500,000
Full Power - 150,000,000
Bulked Up - 175,000,000
Super Perfect - 210,000,000

Vegeta - 1,700,000
SSJ - 68,000,000
Trunks - 1,600,000
SSJ - 64,000,000
Piccolo - 38,000,000

Cell Juniors - 72,000,000 each

Mr. Satan - 7

Back to the Future
#17 - 10,800,000
#18 - 10,000,000

Imperfect Cell - 15,000,000

Trunks - 1,600,000
SSJ - 64,000,000
Three Years Later - 1,900,000
SSJ - 78,000,000[/spoiler]

Boo Arc Part 1
[spoiler]Son Gohan - 2,100,000
SSJ - 84,000,000
25th Budokai - 2,350,000
SSJ - 94,000,000
SSJ2 - 188,000,000

Son Goten - 800,000
SSJ - 32,000,000
25th Budokai - 1,000,000
SSJ - 40,000,000
Trunks - 900,000
SSJ - 36,000,000
25th Budokai - 1,050,000
SSJ - 42,000,000

Son Goku - 3,250,000
SSJ - 130,000,000
SSJ2 - 260,000,000
SSJ3 - 390,000,000

Vegeta - 2,600,000
SSJ - 104,000,000
SSJ2 - 208,000,000
Majin SSJ - 130,000,000
Majin SSJ2 - 260,000,000

Piccolo (Weighted) - 40,000,000
Kaioshin - 70,000,000
Kibito - 2,250,000
#18 - 12,500,000
Kuririn - 82,000
Yamcha - 25,000

Mr. Satan - 6.5
Videl - 7.2
Post Training - 8

Spopovitch and Yamu - 10 each

Pui-Pui - 9,000
Yakon - 3,600,000
Dabura - 85,000,000

Majin Boo (Initial) - 200,000,000
Full Power - 325,000,000

Gotenks - 7,500,000
SSJ - 300,000,000[/spoiler]

Boo Arc Part 2
[spoiler] Good Boo - 140,000,000
Pure Evil Boo - 185,000,000

Goten and Trunks (Post Training) - 1,400,000 and 1,450,000 respectively
Gotenks - 10,050,000
SSJ - 420,000,000
SSJ3 - 1,280,000,000

Son Gohan (Z-Sword Training) - 4,075,000
Potential Unlocked - 1,630,000,000

Vegetto - 175,500,000
SSJ - 7,040,000,000

Evil Boo - 1,120,000,000
Gotenks Absorbed - 2,400,000,000
Piccolo and the boys Absorbed - 1,153,000,000
Gohan Absorbed - 2,750,000,000
Piccolo Absorbed - 1,170,000,000
Buff Boo - 1,500,000,000
Pure Boo - 390,000,000

Hypothetical Gogeta - 19,500,000
SSJ - 780,000,000
SSJ2 - 1,560,000,000
SSJ3 - 2,340,000,000

Tenshinhan - 68,000

Kibito Kai - 175,000,000
SSJ3 Goku - 390,000,000
SSJ2 Vegeta - 208,000,000
Good Boo (Full Power) - 325,000,000[/spoiler]

Freeza first form is stated to be 530,000 and second form at over 1 million. You shouldn't change it, otherwise this list is as meaningless as Batman's power level

How about some hypothetical scenarios?

What would the numbers be of:
- Tenshinhan and Kuririn after training together for one year in the RoSaT, in the window before the Cell Games.
- Yajirobe after training for a year with Kaio, after the Saiyan Arc.
- Tao Pai Pai and Chi-Chi, after receiving training from Kami for a year. Post-23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.

Everyone please post your before numbers and justify it to generate discussion. I think this is an interesting conversation to have.

Tenshinhan - around 2 million
Krillin - Around 2.8 million

They both were below first form freeza before they started training. However, Tien soon cataches up on Krillin and even surpases him in 3 months of training. But, soon he maxes out, and his gain start to no longer matter. He trains harder & Harder, but no result. On the other hand, Krillin takes it easy and is focuesd on impriving his techniques and learning new techniques, slowly and steadily gaining up again. He cataches up and surpasses Tien again, and by the time they come out of the chamber, they are now powerful enough to put up a fight against Base saiyans when they team up.
However, the most powerful weapon is not the power, but the techniques learnt. Tien has learnt to focus Kikoho through multi-form technique, without risking his own life, and Krillin has also learnt Kikoho , and mixed it with his own technique to create a homing kikoho blast.

assuming ONLY Yajirobe trains with kaio.
Yajirobe - 3016, Kaio-Ken - 6032

Nothing notable, lame jokes of king kai, but he deemed yajirobe capable of controlling kaio-ken.

Assuming ChiChi and Tao train with each other without any issue
Cybrog Tao Pai Pai - 250
ChiChi - 367

ChiChi gains far more than cyborg tao because Tao's mechanical enhancements and ego hinder him.
By the time they leave, however, Tao Rivals god, and ChiChi has far surpassed him.

[DanielSSJ]

Freeza first form is stated to be 530,000 and second form at over 1 million. You shouldn't change it, otherwise this list is as meaningless as Batman's power level

I believe he said that the only numbers he'd be sticking too are the first ones that the heroes are pegged at at the beginning of the series.

[apex_pretador]

Freeza first form is stated to be 530,000 and second form at over 1 million. You shouldn't change it, otherwise this list is as meaningless as Batman's power level

I believe he said that the only numbers he'd be sticking too are the first ones that the heroes are pegged at at the beginning of the series.

Oh, my bad I didn't notice it.
But the point still stands.

[DanielSSJ]

Oh, my bad I didn't notice it.
But the point still stands.

Agreed. Ignore the guidebook ones all you want, but you should at least use the ones in the manga.

[LightBing]

Tenshinhan - around 2 million
Krillin - Around 2.8 million

They both were below first form freeza before they started training. However, Tien soon cataches up on Krillin and even surpases him in 3 months of training. But, soon he maxes out, and his gain start to no longer matter. He trains harder & Harder, but no result. On the other hand, Krillin takes it easy and is focuesd on impriving his techniques and learning new techniques, slowly and steadily gaining up again. He cataches up and surpasses Tien again, and by the time they come out of the chamber, they are now powerful enough to put up a fight against Base saiyans when they team up.
However, the most powerful weapon is not the power, but the techniques learnt. Tien has learnt to focus Kikoho through multi-form technique, without risking his own life, and Krillin has also learnt Kikoho , and mixed it with his own technique to create a homing kikoho blast.

assuming ONLY Yajirobe trains with kaio.
Yajirobe - 3016, Kaio-Ken - 6032

Nothing notable, lame jokes of king kai, but he deemed yajirobe capable of controlling kaio-ken.

Assuming ChiChi and Tao train with each other without any issue
Cybrog Tao Pai Pai - 250
ChiChi - 367

ChiChi gains far more than cyborg tao because Tao's mechanical enhancements and ego hinder him.
By the time they leave, however, Tao Rivals god, and ChiChi has far surpassed him.

I like you assessment with one exception. How would Yajirobe even learn the Kaioken, if he has zero ki control? By your logic Kaio deemed Tenshinhan, Chiaotzu and Yamcha more incapable than Yajirobe? I'm not even including Piccolo, due to the short amount of time he was there.
I just can't agree with you on this point.
I'm suspicious of Kuririn learning the Kikoho. Many of the techniques in the series, were shared and learned by the cast at large. Exceptions, like the Kikoho, make me assume that the technique is incredibility difficult to learn, even with a teacher and straight up impossible just by observation.
I doubt Tenshinhan would taught the attack to anyone, due to it's very dangerous nature.

[DanielSSJ]

How about some hypothetical scenarios?

What would the numbers be of:
- Tenshinhan and Kuririn after training together for one year in the RoSaT, in the window before the Cell Games.
- Yajirobe after training for a year with Kaio, after the Saiyan Arc.
- Tao Pai Pai and Chi-Chi, after receiving training from Kami for a year. Post-23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.

Everyone please post your before numbers and justify it to generate discussion. I think this is an interesting conversation to have.

- I believe that Kuririn and Tenshinhan will benefit greatly from training in the Room of Spirit and Time, possibly more so than the Saiyans. Unlike Vegeta and Trunks, Kuririn and Tenshinhan don't have any emotional hang-ups with each other that would prevent them from sparring with one another, and we all know that training with a sparring partner is much more effective than training alone. Another thing to consider is that Kuririn and Tenshinhan are weaker than the Saiyans, even in their normal forms, and they would likely get more out of training in the Room of Spirit and Time due to the extra strain that it puts on them. Based on all that, here are their hypothetical power levels:
Kuririn: 500,000
--- Room of Spirit and Time: 10,000,000
Tenshinhan: 250,000
--- Room of Spirit and Time: 7,500,000

- This may seem like a weird opinion to have, but I believe that Yajirobe possesses the most natural ability out of all the Earthlings. Upon his introduction, he is nearly as strong as 22nd Budokai Goku is, despite not having any formal training that we know of. On the other hand, Yajirobe is incredibly lazy and has no interest in becoming stronger, not to mention that he has no apparent skill in Ki manipulation. While he would improve greatly due to the gravity, I don't think he'd experience the same type of growth that Goku did at Kaio's, nor would he learn the Kaioken. Here's some more hypothetical numbers:
Yajirobe: 970
--- Kaio's training: 4,500

- Chi-Chi is already surprisingly adept, despite only training with her father, and likely has a lot of room for improvement with further instruction, specifically in Ki-control. She probably won't get quite as strong as Kuririn and the others did, though. On the other hand, I feel like Tao-Pai-Pai's cybernetic enhancements would limit any growth he would achieve through training. I'm just gonna use their official numbers as a starting point, because I don't wanna deal with the headache that comes with pre-Raditz power levels. With all that in mind, here we go.
Chi-Chi: 130
--- Kami's training - 900
Cyborg Tao-Pai-Pai: 210
--- Kami's training: 350

[LightBing]

- I believe that Kuririn and Tenshinhan will benefit greatly from training in the Room of Spirit and Time, possibly more so than the Saiyans. Unlike Vegeta and Trunks, Kuririn and Tenshinhan don't have any emotional hang-ups with each other that would prevent them from sparring with one another, and we all know that training with a sparring partner is much more effective than training alone. Another thing to consider is that Kuririn and Tenshinhan are weaker than the Saiyans, even in their normal forms, and they would likely get more out of training in the Room of Spirit and Time due to the extra strain that it puts on them. Based on all that, here are their hypothetical power levels:
Kuririn: 500,000
--- Room of Spirit and Time: 10,000,000
Tenshinhan: 250,000
--- Room of Spirit and Time: 7,500,000

- This may seem like a weird opinion to have, but I believe that Yajirobe possesses the most natural ability out of all the Earthlings. Upon his introduction, he is nearly as strong as 22nd Budokai Goku is, despite not having any formal training that we know of. On the other hand, Yajirobe is incredibly lazy and has no interest in becoming stronger, not to mention that he has no apparent skill in Ki manipulation. While he would improve greatly due to the gravity, I don't think he'd experience the same type of growth that Goku did at Kaio's, nor would he learn the Kaioken. Here's some more hypothetical numbers:
Yajirobe: 970
--- Kaio's training: 4,500

- Chi-Chi is already surprisingly adept, despite only training with her father, and likely has a lot of room for improvement with further instruction, specifically in Ki-control. She probably won't get quite as strong as Kuririn and the others did, though. On the other hand, I feel like Tao-Pai-Pai's cybernetic enhancements would limit any growth he would achieve through training. I'm just gonna use their official numbers as a starting point, because I don't wanna deal with the headache that comes with pre-Raditz power levels. With all that in mind, here we go.
Chi-Chi: 130
--- Kami's training - 900
Cyborg Tao-Pai-Pai: 210
--- Kami's training: 350

Not a weird opinion at all. Yajirobe has great potential like you said. Even when he trained with Kaio, in the panel we get, he's the only one slacking(eating) while everybody else is hard at work.

Due to the limited training Chi-Chi received, I assume basic Kame-sennin type of exercises. Her potential should be pretty high, likely higher than Yamcha and Chiaotzu, nearing Kuririn.

[Steven Bloodriver]

What are the official power levels of Kid Gohan from the battle against Nappa, also of Piccolo from the same battle against the bald Saiyan, and that of the Evil Emperor Frieza during the final battle between him and Super Saiyan Goku before he had lost any of his absolute full power respectively?

[Khin]

What are the official power levels of Kid Gohan from the battle against Nappa, also of Piccolo from the same battle against the bald Saiyan, and that of the Evil Emperor Frieza during the final battle between him and Super Saiyan Goku before he had lost any of his absolute full power respectively?

If you want official battle powers, I'd recommend checking Battle Power Guide.

Officially, Gohan have a battle power 2,800 in the Saiyan Arc while Piccolo have 3,500. Full Power Freeza have 120 Million.

[DanielSSJ]

What are the official power levels of Kid Gohan from the battle against Nappa, also of Piccolo from the same battle against the bald Saiyan, and that of the Evil Emperor Frieza during the final battle between him and Super Saiyan Goku before he had lost any of his absolute full power respectively?

Gohan's official battle power during the Saiyan Battle is 981 when suppressed and 2,800 when enraged over Piccolo's death. Piccolo's battle power during that period is 1,220 when suppressed and 3,500 at full. Freeza's 100% battle power is 120,000,000 and Super Saiyan Goku's is 150,000,000. You can find all of these numbers and more in the Battle Power Guide of the main website.

If you want official battle powers, I'd recommend checking Battle Power Guide.

Officially, Gohan have a battle power 2,800 in the Saiyan Arc while Piccolo have 3,500. Full Power Freeza have 120 Million.

Oops, looks like Khin beat it to me.

[Ash57]

Piccolo's 3,500 figure is utterly and completely false however, so i advise against trusting it @Steven Bloodriver

[DBZ Macky]

Piccolo's 3,500 figure is utterly and completely false however, so i advise against trusting it @Steven Bloodriver

How can you easily dismiss official numbers like that? It's one thing to not accept it into your own headcannon, but imposing your opinion on others for no reason is just terrible.
There is nothing contradicting the power levels stated in the Daizenshuu.
It's already been established that battle powers don't scale linearly.
As seen by Kiwi, Dodoria and Zarbon's fights against Vegeta, a difference of even a 1,000 BP matters a lot, even when the combatants are in the 20k range.
So, it makes sense that a difference of 500 would be A LOT.
Also, Battle power isn't everything. Nappa was extremely durable.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Alright, here's my power levels:

Multipliers:
SSJ: 50x Base
Grade 2/ASSJ: 1.5x SSJ
Grade 3/USSJ: 1.2x ASSJ
MSSJ: 50x, can power up to 60x
SSJ2: 2x SSJ
SSJ3: 4x Previous SSJ Form (400x for SSJ2, 200x for SSJ)
Fusion Dance: 2x (First Fusion), 2.5x (Post RoSAT)
Potara: 20x


Future Trunks Saga:
Mecha Frieza: 130,000,000
King Cold: 100,000,000
Trunks: 3,000,000
SSJ Trunks: 150,000,000
Goku: 3,000,000
SSJ Goku: 150,000,000
Vegeta: 2,400,000
Piccolo: 6,000,000
Krillin: 245,000
Gohan: 900,000
Tien: 170,000
Yamcha: 11,000

Androids Saga:
Goku (Virus): 1,800,000
SSJ Goku: 90,000,000
Android 19: 50,000,000
Android 20: 55,000,000
19 (Goku's energy): 80,000,000
Vegeta: 3,100,000
SSJ Vegeta: 155,000,000
19 (Vegeta's energy): 100,000,000
Vegeta (Exhausted): 2,700,000
Piccolo: 35,000,000
20 (Piccolo's energy): 70,000,000
Piccolo (Full power): 85,000,000
Trunks: 3,000,000
SSJ Trunks: 150,000,000
Android 18: 170,000,000
Android 17: 170,000,000
Android 16: 225,000,000
Kamiccolo: 170,000,000
Cell: 155,000,000
Piccolo (Tired): 155,000,000
Cell (Energy): 230,000,000
Semi Perfect Cell (Initial): 285,000,000
Vegeta (RoSAT): 4,600,000
SSJ Vegeta: 230,000,000
ASSJ Vegeta: 345,000,000
Trunks (RoSAT): 4,500,000
SSJ Trunks: 225,000,000
ASSJ Trunks: 337,500,000
Semi Cell (Full power): 315,000,000
Perfect Cell (Initial): 345,000,000
Perfect Cell (Warming Up): 375,000,000
Final Flash: 460,000,000
USSJ Trunks: 405,000,000
Cell (Full power): 400,000,000
Buff Cell: 480,000,000

Cell Games Saga:
Goku (Post RoSAT): 12,000,000
Gohan (Post RoSAT): 13,000,000
FPSSJ Goku (Half Power): 360,000,000
Vegeta (Second RoSAT): 7,500,000
Trunks (Second RoSAT): 7,200,000
Piccolo (RoSAT): 280,000,000
Cell (SSJ initial): 600,000,000
FPSSJ Goku: 600,000,000
Cell (SSJ Powered up): 700,000,000
FPSSJ Goku (Full power): 720,000,000
Cell (SSJ Max Power): 800,000,000
FPSSJ Gohan: 780,000,000
Cell Jrs: 400,000,000
FPSSJ Goku (Exhausted): 240,000,000
SSJ Vegeta: 375,000,000
SSJ Trunks: 360,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan: 1,300,000,000
Cell (Full Power/ASSJ): 900,000,000
Cell (Power Weighted): 1,000,000,000
Super Perfect Cell: 1,200,000,000

Buu Saga:
Goku: 13,200,000
Vegeta: 12,500,000
Gohan: 12,000,000
Kaioshin: 530,000,000
Kibito: 265,000,000
Piccolo: 340,000,000
Goten: 5,000,000
SSJ Goten: 250,000,000
Trunks: 5,200,000
SSJ Trunks: 260,000,000
Pui Pui: 3,000,000
Yakon: 14,000,000
SSJ Goku (Suppressed): 50,000,000
Dabura: 900,000,000
SSJ Gohan: 600,000,000
FPSSJ Gohan: 720,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan: 960,000,000
SSJ Vegeta: 625,000,000
SSJ Goku: 660,000,000
Majin Vegeta: 1,320,000,000
SSJ2 Goku: 1,320,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan (Angry): 1,200,000,000
Majin Buu: 2,000,000,000
SSJ3 Goku: 5,280,000,000
Gotenks: 20,000,000
SSJ Gotenks: 1,000,000,000
Good Buu: 1,500,000,000
Evil Buu: 2,500,000,000
Super Buu: 8,000,000,000
Goten (RoSAT): 8,000,000
Trunks (RoSAT): 8,000,000
Gotenks: 40,000,000
SSJ Gotenks: 2,000,000,000
SSJ3 Gotenks: 8,000,000,000
Ultimate Gohan: 10,000,000,000
Kibitoshin: 1,600,000,000
Buutenks: 12,000,000,000
Buuccolo: 8,170,000,000
Buuhan: 13,000,000,000
Vegito: 528,000,000
Super Vegito: 26,400,000,000
Pure Buu: 5,000,000,000

[Ash57]

Piccolo's 3,500 figure is utterly and completely false however, so i advise against trusting it @Steven Bloodriver

How can you easily dismiss official numbers like that? It's one thing to not accept it into your own headcannon, but imposing your opinion on others for no reason is just terrible.
There is nothing contradicting the power levels stated in the Daizenshuu.
It's already been established that battle powers don't scale linearly.
As seen by Kiwi, Dodoria and Zarbon's fights against Vegeta, a difference of even a 1,000 BP matters a lot, even when the combatants are in the 20k range.
So, it makes sense that a difference of 500 would be A LOT.
Also, Battle power isn't everything. Nappa was extremely durable.

There is nothing, except a direct statement from Piccolo himself debunking the 3,500 figure completely. And "official numbers" doesn't mean "canon members". If it's not in the manga, then we don't have to accept it. That's something everyone can assert.

[Kaboom]

Piccolo's not a fortune-teller. Him claiming Gohan's power can/will surpass his own is a guess based on what he's seen from Gohan in the past. It does not guarantee that such a thing will happen, nothing in the manga confirms that it does, and the official numbers tell us it didn't.

For all Gohan's anger, his 2,800 blast only managed to sting Nappa's hand a bit. Whereas even though it was by surprise, Piccolo managed to actually hurt and cause visible damage to Nappa at least once (with the blast to his back). The official numbers reflect as much as the manga showed; that neither Gohan or Piccolo measured up to Nappa, but Piccolo's best output still affected Nappa more than Gohan's did.

If you're the type who wants to take mere expectations as future-predicting fact, even when reputable sources say it didn't work out that way, then go ahead and give Piccolo some other number in your own lists or something. But from a factual standpoint, his 3,500 figure is nowhere near "utterly and completely false" or "debunked."

[Ash57]

Piccolo's not a fortune-teller. Him claiming Gohan's power can/will surpass his own is a guess based on what he's seen from Gohan in the past. It does not guarantee that such a thing will happen, nothing in the manga confirms that it does, and the official numbers tell us it didn't.

For all Gohan's anger, his 2,800 blast only managed to sting Nappa's hand a bit. Whereas even though it was by surprise, Piccolo managed to actually hurt and cause visible damage to Nappa at least once (with the blast to his back). The official numbers reflect as much as the manga showed; that neither Gohan or Piccolo measured up to Nappa, but Piccolo's best output still affected Nappa more than Gohan's did.

If you're the type who wants to take mere expectations as future-predicting fact, even when reputable sources say it didn't work out that way, then go ahead and give Piccolo some other number in your own lists or something. But from a factual standpoint, his 3,500 figure is nowhere near "utterly and completely false" or "debunked."

Your second paragraph explains everything you've said. Piccolo caught Nappa off-guard. You're treating the so-called "official numbers" like they come from a better authority than what the manga tells us, which is clearly not the case because Weekly Jump is nowhere near the manga in authority. There was no reason for Toriyama to try and deceive his audience to think Enraged Gohan was stronger than Piccolo if that wasn't the case.

Gohan > Piccolo
It's a manga fact

[Kaboom]

Gohan > Piccolo
It's a manga fact

You're very confused about what a "manga fact" actually is. It's not "the manga" that says this, just your own overly-strict interpretation of it. An interpretation which neither the official numbers nor other forum members like Steven Bloodriver are under any obligation whatsoever to concur with.

The manga only has a character making a prediction. There is no fulfillment of this prediction in the form of dialogue saying "whoa, Gohan's power from anger has shot up higher than Piccolo's" or anything of the sort. If there were, the pros at Shueisha would not have assigned those numbers to each of them. Factually speaking, there is no contradiction between what the manga shows and the official numbers assigned to Gohan and Piccolo. Period.