Yep. As hilarious and awesome as I find base Gohan literally exploding Frieza with one punch in Fusion Reborn, I can't dismiss such a direct "word of god" about the power of the base Saiyans. It's not Toriyama saying it, but it's the next best thing. It also makes power levels more manageable post-Frieza. Instead of the Saiyans getting hundreds to thousands of times stronger, and then getting the 50x SSJ multipler on top of that, it caps things off and creates tiers instead. So before God ki, Frieza was always low SSJ tier.GreatSaiyaman123 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:45 pm After watching Super Hero I got hyped and also rewatched Battle of Gods for the first time in almost 10 years. In this rewatch I noticed how legitimate Beerus' line about Base Goku being weaker than Freeza is. He's not baiting Goku into transforming, he's not even interested in SSJ1 at all. It's a genuine commentary on Goku's base power.
Yep x2. The way I see it, Gotenks was *supposed* to be massively stronger, but then Toriyama changed his mind. Because if he kept Gotenks that strong, then Goku would be useless cannon fodder to Super Buu. Since he couldn't have Goku suddenly be much stronger, such as Goku revealing he was only going 10% against Fat Buu or such nonsense, Toriyama continued the story as if Gotenks was never much stronger than Gotenks all along. To his credit, it was seamless for most casual fans. My mom and brother just went along with this retcon when Goku returned to the story. It's not like we ever see SSJ Gotenks beat Fat Buu.But then Gotenks comes and everything falls apart. Lists tend to get really ugly when Gotenks shows up. He's already tough with a 50x multiplier, 125x is just ridiculous.
And it's not like the anime didn't help the retcon feel more seamless. We have SSJ3 Goku losing but not getting obliterated by Buutenks.
To be fair, this is Good Buu, who should be weaker than the original Fat Buu who beats up Majin Vegeta. I have Good Buu as high SSJ2 tier. Adding to this, we can assume Vegeta is stronger than he was in the Buu saga and is a lot more skilled than Fat Buu. So I don't have a problem with Vegeta doing better than Buu even before his rage boost.I can get behind Gohan and Gotenks getting rusty, but Boo's power shouldn't change.