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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Darkron2151 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:34 pm

DanielSSJ wrote:
Not bad, but I have a few questions.
1. Shouldn't Androids 17 and 18 be at least twice as strong as Freeza Arc SSJ Goku based on the "I didn't even use half of my power last time" statement from Future Android 17 from the Trunks side story? Unless if Future SSJ Gohan was significantly weaker than Freeza Arc SSJ Goku, which I have seen before.
2. I would usually put 2nd Stage Cell as being 1st Stage Cell plus Android 17.
Otherwise, it's a pretty good list.
Thank you for the Feedback!

Yeah, I go by the notion that Future Gohan was significantly weaker than SSJ Namek Goku until he loses an arm and gets a Zenkai boost, mostly due to not really training for the many years against the Android Menace and just trying to survive. That kinda changes when Trunks starts training with him though, but he dies soon after that. I'd have it somewhat like this:
  • Future Gohan (Base/Two Arms): 2,000,000
    SSJ: 100,000,000
    Future Gohan (Base/Zenkai/One Arm): 3,100,000
    SSJ: 155,000,000

    Future Android 17: 225,000,000
    Future Android 17 (Not even Half): 108,000,000

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:57 am

Darkron2151 wrote:Since it's been a LOOOOONG time since I updated my list (and a lot has happened in DB since), I'm gonna show my new updated list, but will give it out in different Arcs bit by bit for feedback purposes starting with the Cell Arc.

Cell Arc:

Trunks Saga:
Androids Saga:
Imperfect Cell Saga:
Perfect Cell Saga:
Cell Games:
Trunks' Time:
Your list is really good. I only have a few issues:
1. #18 should not be that high. She was supposed to unable to handle both SS at same time.
2. I think imperfect cell post is a bit too high.
3. Vegeta / trunks in CG must be higher than bulky trunks.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Darkron2151 » Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:11 am

apex_pretador wrote: Your list is really good. I only have a few issues:
1. #18 should not be that high. She was supposed to unable to handle both SS at same time.
2. I think imperfect cell post is a bit too high.
3. Vegeta / trunks in CG must be higher than bulky trunks.
Great work btw.
Thanks for the feedback!
  • 1. Correction. She's unable to handle 2 Super Saiyans, a Namekian who's power is comparable to a Super Saiyan, and humans for support. Big difference there. Plus, I don't have her that much higher than Vegeta. She's not even 20% stronger IMO.

    2. Really? Some would say I have him too low given I took the minimalist route with gap between him and Piccolo. :mrgreen:

    3. Why is that? CG Vegeta was confident that he was stronger than the Suppressed Perfect Cell that beat him and "Around Half" SSJ Goku. He never witnessed Trunks going Grade 3, and even if he did, he knows that that form is extremely inefficient in battle so he probably wouldn't care.
*EDIT: Bumped up CG Piccolo a bit in previous list.*

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:45 am

Darkron2151 wrote:
  • 1. Correction. She's unable to handle 2 Super Saiyans, a Namekian who's power is comparable to a Super Saiyan, and humans for support. Big difference there. Plus, I don't have her that much higher than Vegeta. She's not even 20% stronger IMO.

    2. Really? Some would say I have him too low given I took the minimalist route with gap between him and Piccolo. :mrgreen:

    3. Why is that? CG Vegeta was confident that he was stronger than the Suppressed Perfect Cell that beat him and "Around Half" SSJ Goku. He never witnessed Trunks going Grade 3, and even if he did, he knows that that form is extremely inefficient in battle so he probably wouldn't care.
*EDIT: Bumped up CG Piccolo a bit in previous list.*
1. OK. I see the % difference is not very large here. My comment was based on the fact that I like to go on the lowest route (it is just my opinion).

2. Just like I said, I prefer less huge gaps in battles unless specified (personal preference).

3. I feel like he must have doubled his strength if he's so confident, and his last trip was him nearly 2.5x increase in a few hours, but this time, he got full day.

edit: it'll be interesting to see your buu arc list.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Darkron2151 » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:24 am

apex_pretador wrote:
I feel like he must have doubled his strength if he's so confident, and his last trip was him nearly 2.5x increase in a few hours, but this time, he got full day.

edit: it'll be interesting to see your buu arc list.
Vegeta spent a full day on both trips. And unlike the first time, he went inside the ROSAT alone on his second trip. Again, I just feel that he needs to be considerably stronger than Suppressed Cell and Half-Power Goku by the end of his second trip, and that's about how many details there are on the matter of his power. Other than what's implied, all we know is that he's much weaker than Full Power Goku and near or on the same level of a Cell Jr.

And the Buu Arc is still a work in progress, though I am just adding the finishing touches. Stuck on fusion stuff :crazy:

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Khin » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:40 am

Now that i completely ignore the 6-10-15 comment thanks to Super and its manga,i guess i my new PL list for the God tiers would be..
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:55 am

Power level list for DB multiverse (fan manga):

Keys :-
k = 1000
M = million
Universe 1
South kaioshin - 2100 M

Universe 3
Bardock - Base - 3 M, SS - 60 M
Piccolo daimao - 100 k
Taipon -> Hirdugarn 3600 M (full power)

Universe 4
Zen buu - 400,000 M

Universe 5
XXI - ???

Universe 6
Bojack - 860 M

Universe 7
Gast carcolh - ???

Universe 8
Freeza - 120 M (100%)
King cold - 140 M (100%)
Cooler - 125 M (5th form)
Sauza - 2 M
Recoome - 40 k
Butta - 40 k
Jeece - 40 k

Universe 9
Krillin - 60 M
Yamcha - 100 M
Tien shinhan - 88 M

Universe 10
Vegeta - 30,000
Bardock - 10,000
Nail - 42,000

Universe 11
Dabura - 750 M
Buu - 2300 M

Universe 12
#16 - 156 M
Trunks - 40 M, SS - 1600 M, USS 3400 M

Universe 13
Vegeta - 30 M, SS 1200 M, SS2 2250 M, SS3 4500 M
Kakarotto - 10 M, SS 400 M, SS ozaru 4000 M
Nappa - 50 k ???
Raditz - 5 M

Universe 14
#17 - 95 M
#18 - 88 M , post repair - 130 M

Universe 16
Vegetto - 4000 M, SS - 160,000 M , SS2 - 300,000 M , SS3 - 600,000 M
Gotenks - 4500 M SS3
Bra - 1000 M, SS 40,000 M , SS2 75,000 M
Pan - 6 M, SS - 240 M

Universe 17
Cell - 4000 M FP

Universe 18
Goku - 50 M, SS - 2000 M, SS2 - 3750 M, SS3 - 7,500 M
Vegeta - 50 M, SS - 2000 M , SS2 - 3750 M
Uub - 50 M base
Pan - 2 M, SS 80 M
Gotenks - 4500 M SS3

Universe 20
Broly - maximum (lol :lol: )
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Post by dbgtFO » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:16 am

SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:Now that i completely ignore the 6-10-15 comment thanks to Super and its manga,i guess i my new PL list for the God tiers would be..
It doesn't seem like you noticed the glaring error here, that you put 10% Beerus at the same level as Beerus, making Goku and Vegeta have much higher powers than Beerus and co. as a result. It seems you just missed an extra zero in the case of Vados, Whis, Beerus and Champa.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Khin » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:18 am

dbgtFO wrote:
SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:Now that i completely ignore the 6-10-15 comment thanks to Super and its manga,i guess i my new PL list for the God tiers would be..
It doesn't seem like you noticed the glaring error here, that you put 10% Beerus at the same level as Beerus, making Goku and Vegeta have much higher powers than Beerus and co. as a result. It seems you just missed an extra zero in the case of Vados, Whis, Beerus and Champa.
Lmao you're right. :lol:

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Darkron2151 » Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:48 am

Redid my Cell Arc power levels from last page. I thought some gaps were too small and adjusted accordingly. I only redid the Imperfect Cell Saga through Cell Games Saga.

Imperfect Cell Saga:
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:11 am

Updated my list based on recent events in DBS:
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 7#p1023817
Also improved my GT list.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Blackstripe » Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:41 am

Dragon Ball Power Levels by Blackstripe


Multipliers:
SSJ = 40x base
ASSJ = 1.5x SSJ
USSJ = 2x SSJ
MSSJ = 80x base
SSJ2 = 2x MSSJ
SSJ3 = 4x SSJ2
SSJG = 375,000x SSJ3/240,000,000x base
SSJB = 20x Beyond God
Dance Fusion = A+B x30
Potara Fusion = A+B x5,000

Dragon Ball

Dragon Ball Z

Dragon Ball Super

Bonus: GT Comparisons
Son Gokuu – 55,000,000,000
(MSSJ) – 4,400,000,000,000
(Super Saiyan 2) – 8,800,000,000,000
(Super Saiyan 3) – 35,200,000,000,000
(Super Saiyan 4) – 352,000,000,000,000
(Super Saiyan 4 far past his limits) – 720,000,000,000,000
(Hypothetical SSJ4 with Dragon Balls) – 7,200,000,000,000,000
Revived Perfect Cell – 32,500,000,000
Revived Freeza – 24,000,000,000
Super 17 – 600,000,000,000,000
Syn Shenron – 500,000,000,000,000
Omega Shenron – 5,000,000,000,000,000
SSJ4 Gogeta – 43,200,000,000,000,000 (Assuming SSJ4 Vegeta = past limits Gokuu, this is 1.44 quadrillion x30.)

Phew, what a workout. There you go. I'll update as more Super comes out.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:57 pm

Blackstripe wrote:
Dragon Ball Power Levels by Blackstripe


Multipliers:
SSJ = 40x base
ASSJ = 1.5x SSJ
USSJ = 2x SSJ
MSSJ = 80x base
SSJ2 = 2x MSSJ
SSJ3 = 4x SSJ2
SSJG = 375,000x SSJ3/240,000,000x base
SSJB = 20x Beyond God
Dance Fusion = A+B x30
Potara Fusion = A+B x5,000

Dragon Ball

Dragon Ball Z

Dragon Ball Super

Bonus: GT Comparisons
Son Gokuu – 55,000,000,000
(MSSJ) – 4,400,000,000,000
(Super Saiyan 2) – 8,800,000,000,000
(Super Saiyan 3) – 35,200,000,000,000
(Super Saiyan 4) – 352,000,000,000,000
(Super Saiyan 4 far past his limits) – 720,000,000,000,000
(Hypothetical SSJ4 with Dragon Balls) – 7,200,000,000,000,000
Revived Perfect Cell – 32,500,000,000
Revived Freeza – 24,000,000,000
Super 17 – 600,000,000,000,000
Syn Shenron – 500,000,000,000,000
Omega Shenron – 5,000,000,000,000,000
SSJ4 Gogeta – 43,200,000,000,000,000 (Assuming SSJ4 Vegeta = past limits Gokuu, this is 1.44 quadrillion x30.)

Phew, what a workout. There you go. I'll update as more Super comes out.
1. Ranfan should not be at BoDB Goku's level. She was just a weakling who made men drop their guard using her sexuality... BoDB Chi-Chi should be higher than her too. Bitch outran and beheaded a T-rex while barely even noticing despite being scared... doubt Ranfan can do that.

2. Yamcha should be higher than King Chappa. Sure, he feared Goku's chances against him but that's only because he underestimated Goku and Yamcha held his own against Tien before he got somewhat serious while Chappa was made a fool of by a toying around Match-level Goku.

3. Krillin and Yamcha should be roughly equal at the 22nd Budokai. Krillin said himself that Yamcha was about as good as he was, and their fights against Goku and Tien were basically the same. Chiaotzu also should be closer to Krillin... he was able to evade his attacks pretty well.

4. Tsuru-sennin should be higher than Krillin and Yamcha. Tien begin to suspect that Jackie Chun would put up a better fight than Yamcha just from his match with Man-wolf and only began to believe he had surpassed Tsuru when fighting him.

5. Chi-Chi should be a lot higher than King Chappa (and 24). She casually blitzed and one-shotted preliminary fighters in a similar fashion the other finalists have, and serious fight or not she put up a better fight against Goku than Chappa ever did.

6. I doubt King Chappa stayed for the entirely of the 22nd Budokai. He most likely went home in tears after his humiliating defeat and never saw Goku's true strength plus there's quite a world of a difference between the Goku he fought and when he's at full power. That gap is just too big for him to close.

7. Yamcha and Krillin should be close during the 23rd Budokai. They were both able to follow Weighted Goku's high-speed movement while Tao couldn't even keep up with a Tien that was putting in less effort and Shen (Kami) was more serious about his match with Yamcha than Piccolo was with Krillin.

8. Goku and Cell at the Cell Games were never dead-even. In the manga, Goku was more clearly outclassed and can only nail a few good shots like IT Kamehameha.

9. Kaioshin should not be higher than Piccolo. Piccolo just used that power statement as an excuse for forfeiting and only backed down due to unknowingly sensing Kaioshin's godly presence.

The gains from each saga in Dragon Ball is also way too small.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Blackstripe » Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:03 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:[1. Ranfan should not be at BoDB Goku's level. She was just a weakling who made men drop their guard using her sexuality... BoDB Chi-Chi should be higher than her too. Bitch outran and beheaded a T-rex while barely even noticing despite being scared... doubt Ranfan can do that.
Her punches were able to damage Nam, and she did show some martial arts talent in her leaps and kicks when she was forced to fight. Naturally, a 10 is no match for Nam's 17.5, though. Note, she's still human, so she wouldn't be able to tank bullets or anything like Gokuu, and would probably possess less physical strength too. Always take into account that Gokuu is a Saiyan.
2. Yamcha should be higher than King Chappa. Sure, he feared Goku's chances against him but that's only because he underestimated Goku and Yamcha held his own against Tenshinhan before he got somewhat serious while Chappa was made a fool of by a toying around Match-level Goku.
Yamucha saw Gokuu utterly wreck Mummy-kun, who tore him a new one three years ago. I doubt he honestly thought he'd surpassed Gokuu, so if he was worried Gokuu couldn't win, I doubt he thought he could either.
3. Krillin and Yamcha should be roughly equal at the 22nd Budokai. Krillin said himself that Yamcha was about as good as he was, and their fights against Goku and Tenshinhan were basically the same. Chiaotzu also should be closer to Krillin... he was able to evade his attacks pretty well.
Kuririn was the one who won one of his matches, and he also was noted to have made the most improvement (though Gokuu hadn't shown his real power yet). Since he was stronger than Yamucha in the 21st Tournament, that means he must still be ahead of him.
4. Tsuru-sennin should be higher than Krillin and Yamcha. Tenshinhan begin to suspect that Jackie Chun would put up a better fight than Yamcha just from his match with Man-wolf and only began to believe he had surpassed Tsuru when fighting him.
Good point, I'll make him stronger.
5. Chi-Chi should be a lot higher than King Chappa (and 24). She casually blitzed and one-shotted preliminary fighters in a similar fashion the other finalists have, and serious fight or not she put up a better fight against Goku than Chappa ever did.
You can't really make a power assessment from a fight that basically involves Gokuu refusing to throw a punch until the end (which isn't even really a punch and knocks her out). At least he actually hit Chappa. If he'd wanted to end it, Chi-chi would have gone down instantly.
6. I doubt King Chappa stayed for the entirely of the 22nd Budokai. He most likely went home in tears after his humiliating defeat and never saw Goku's true strength plus there's quite a world of a difference between the Goku he fought and when he's at full power. That gap is just too big for him to close.
Uh, why is the gap too big for him to close? He is said to be a legendary fighter that won the Tenkaichi Budoukai without being touched. I'm sure he can make decent gains if he puts his mind to it.
7. Yamcha and Krillin should be close during the 23rd Budokai. They were both able to follow Weighted Goku's high-speed movement while Tao couldn't even keep up with a Tenshinhan that was putting in less effort and Shen (Kami) was more serious about his match with Yamcha than Piccolo was with Krillin.
Kami was severely handicapped in Shen's body and could only use a fraction of his power. He also made a bit of a joke out of Yamucha with stuff like a headbutt to the crotch. Kuririn in turn managed to catch Piccolo off guard with his Double Tsuihikidan, and Piccolo even admitted he showed impressive skill.
8. Goku and Cell at the Cell Games were never dead-even. In the manga, Goku was more clearly outclassed and can only nail a few good shots like IT Kamehameha.
This is one of those things like the SSJ Gokuu vs Freeza fight where it's purely up to interpretation. I see it differently.
9. Kaioshin should not be higher than Piccolo. Piccolo just used that power statement as an excuse for forfeiting and only backed down due to unknowingly sensing Kaioshin's godly presence.
Where was this stated? There's no evidence to suggest that Piccolo wasn't intimidated by Kaioshin's power. There's plenty of room between him and the SSJs for Kaioshin to fit.
The gains from each saga in Dragon Ball is also way too small.

Not really. A 10 - 20% advantage is a big deal. Also, they need to stay small at that point for Piccolo's "less than half my power" comment to be true. Not to mention it makes it clear that King Piccolo is on an entirely different level than anything before.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Darkron2151 » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:06 pm

Where do y'all have the following?:
  • (Buu Arc) Goku (SSJ3)
    (BoG) Goku (SSJ3)

    (Buu Arc) Evil Buu
    (Buu Arc) Gotenks (SSJ3)
    (Buu Arc) Gohan (Ultimate)

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Post by DanielSSJ » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:03 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:Where do y'all have the following?:
  • (B Arc) Goku (SSJ3)
    (BoG) Goku (SSJ3)

    (Buu Arc) Evil Buu
    (Buu Arc) Gotenks (SSJ3)
    (Buu Arc) Gohan (Ultimate)

    (Buu Arc) Vegetto (Base)
    (Buu Arc) Vegetto (SSJ)
    (BoG) Vegetto (Base)
    (BoG) Vegetto (SSJ)
Buu Arc) Goku (SSJ3) - 36,000,000,000
(BoG) Goku (SSJ3) - 40,000,000,000

(Buu Arc) Super Buu - 100,000,000,000
(Buu Arc) Gotenks (SSJ3) - 120,000,000,000
(Buu Arc) Gohan (Ultimate) - 175,000,000,000

(Buu Arc) Vegetto (Base) - 18,000,000,000
(Buu Arc) Vegetto (SSJ) - 900,000,000,000
(BoG) Vegetto (Base) 20,000,000,000
(BoG) Vegetto (SSJ) 1,000,000,000,000
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:13 pm

Blackstripe wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:[1. Ranfan should not be at BoDB Goku's level. She was just a weakling who made men drop their guard using her sexuality... BoDB Chi-Chi should be higher than her too. Bitch outran and beheaded a T-rex while barely even noticing despite being scared... doubt Ranfan can do that.
Her punches were able to damage Nam, and she did show some martial arts talent in her leaps and kicks when she was forced to fight. Naturally, a 10 is no match for Nam's 17.5, though. Note, she's still human, so she wouldn't be able to tank bullets or anything like Gokuu, and would probably possess less physical strength too. Always take into account that Gokuu is a Saiyan.
2. Yamcha should be higher than King Chappa. Sure, he feared Goku's chances against him but that's only because he underestimated Goku and Yamcha held his own against Tenshinhan before he got somewhat serious while Chappa was made a fool of by a toying around Match-level Goku.
Yamucha saw Gokuu utterly wreck Mummy-kun, who tore him a new one three years ago. I doubt he honestly thought he'd surpassed Gokuu, so if he was worried Gokuu couldn't win, I doubt he thought he could either.
3. Krillin and Yamcha should be roughly equal at the 22nd Budokai. Krillin said himself that Yamcha was about as good as he was, and their fights against Goku and Tenshinhan were basically the same. Chiaotzu also should be closer to Krillin... he was able to evade his attacks pretty well.
Kuririn was the one who won one of his matches, and he also was noted to have made the most improvement (though Gokuu hadn't shown his real power yet). Since he was stronger than Yamucha in the 21st Tournament, that means he must still be ahead of him.
4. Tsuru-sennin should be higher than Krillin and Yamcha. Tenshinhan begin to suspect that Jackie Chun would put up a better fight than Yamcha just from his match with Man-wolf and only began to believe he had surpassed Tsuru when fighting him.
Good point, I'll make him stronger.
5. Chi-Chi should be a lot higher than King Chappa (and 24). She casually blitzed and one-shotted preliminary fighters in a similar fashion the other finalists have, and serious fight or not she put up a better fight against Goku than Chappa ever did.
You can't really make a power assessment from a fight that basically involves Gokuu refusing to throw a punch until the end (which isn't even really a punch and knocks her out). At least he actually hit Chappa. If he'd wanted to end it, Chi-chi would have gone down instantly.
6. I doubt King Chappa stayed for the entirely of the 22nd Budokai. He most likely went home in tears after his humiliating defeat and never saw Goku's true strength plus there's quite a world of a difference between the Goku he fought and when he's at full power. That gap is just too big for him to close.
Uh, why is the gap too big for him to close? He is said to be a legendary fighter that won the Tenkaichi Budoukai without being touched. I'm sure he can make decent gains if he puts his mind to it.
7. Yamcha and Krillin should be close during the 23rd Budokai. They were both able to follow Weighted Goku's high-speed movement while Tao couldn't even keep up with a Tenshinhan that was putting in less effort and Shen (Kami) was more serious about his match with Yamcha than Piccolo was with Krillin.
Kami was severely handicapped in Shen's body and could only use a fraction of his power. He also made a bit of a joke out of Yamucha with stuff like a headbutt to the crotch. Kuririn in turn managed to catch Piccolo off guard with his Double Tsuihikidan, and Piccolo even admitted he showed impressive skill.
8. Goku and Cell at the Cell Games were never dead-even. In the manga, Goku was more clearly outclassed and can only nail a few good shots like IT Kamehameha.
This is one of those things like the SSJ Gokuu vs Freeza fight where it's purely up to interpretation. I see it differently.
9. Kaioshin should not be higher than Piccolo. Piccolo just used that power statement as an excuse for forfeiting and only backed down due to unknowingly sensing Kaioshin's godly presence.
Where was this stated? There's no evidence to suggest that Piccolo wasn't intimidated by Kaioshin's power. There's plenty of room between him and the SSJs for Kaioshin to fit.
The gains from each saga in Dragon Ball is also way too small.

Not really. A 10 - 20% advantage is a big deal. Also, they need to stay small at that point for Piccolo's "less than half my power" comment to be true. Not to mention it makes it clear that King Piccolo is on an entirely different level than anything before.
1. She was able to damage Nam and narrowly dodge a serious attack from him yet literally all it takes to bring her down was a delicate neck chop once Nam got his shit together... so all that really shows is how unfocused and distracted Nam was for majority of the fight plus her character is pretty much just a gag so it wouldn't be as funny if Nam just shrugged off her attacks. Her only real "feats" is that she can execute punches, kicks, and jumps/flips well... cool, BoDB Goku can do all that plus he has FTE movement speed, peak human combat/reaction speed, peak human agility, inhuman durability, and superhuman striking strength.

It has little to do with Goku being a Saiyan... he's just better in every single way.

2. Yamcha was just worried about Goku's chances... nothing more, since Goku trained on his own so he had some doubt on the gains he made. Also, he held his own against a holding-back Tien who Goku considered a worthy contender just from his showings in the prelims while basically calling Chappa weak.

3. Yamcha himself was noted to improved quite a bit himself (by both Goku and Jackie Chun) plus feats and Krillin disagree with your argument.

4. Goku wasn't 100% serious no doubt but he still had to keep on toes his toes and defend himself against her attacks... she even matched his casual 50+ meter jump into the air to avoid an attack and fought him while hovering in mid-air without the need of bukujutsu (she even has a stance). Roshi upon witnessing her abilities outright gave her praise on her skill level (keep in mind it's usually a big deal for Roshi to acknowledge someone's skill level) along with her style resembling his Turtle Hermit style. She was far more respected as a fighter and a competitor than King Chappa at this point.

Also, the move Goku used to beat her was a shockwave technique that Kami taught him and it left pretty everyone including Krillin, Yamcha, and Muten Roshi stunned by it's sheer power (Roshi himself actually had a bit of trouble comprehending it) as well as surprising Piccolo from him knowing it since it's a technique his clan uses... not to mention Goku put shittons of energy into that punch... while King Chappa lost to a slight neck chop of which Krillin, Yamcha, and Tien calmly stated didn't have any of his real strength put into it.... only difference is Chi-Chi got up just fine while King Chappa was KO'd. Chappa fared worse against an easier offense.

5. He's legendary but he's also arrogant and nothing suggests he's a fighter with immense amount of hidden potential. Also, it was obvious from his dialogue that he based his gains on the Goku he fought back at the prelims of the 22nd Budokai.

6. Yamcha was made a fool of because he underestimated Shen because of his outward appearances. Shen actually complimented Yamcha on his strength, technique, and potential... Yamcha even managed to make Kami drop the Shen persona and fight somewhat seriously. Also, Piccolo was toying with Krillin... he never really had a chance (not to say his showings wasn't impressive).

7. Cell overwhelmed Goku with his speed and Goku took a greater drop in energy than Cell. It was even flat-out stated Cell was stronger.

8. The first thing Piccolo wanted to do after forfeiting was ask if Kaioshin was really Dai Kaio-sama. When they were about to fight Piccolo couldn't even figure out why he was holding back subconsciously and he begins to question what Shin was then Shin dug into his mind about him figuring out who he is. Kaioshin even begins to think to himself about Piccolo being a former guardian and was starting to pieces together.

Besides, it's not like he really did anything to prove he's all that strong. His only fight in the whole series was against Fat Boo and he was absolutely no match for him.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:43 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:Where do y'all have the following?:
  • (Buu Arc) Goku (SSJ3): 32,000,000,000
    (BoG) Goku (SSJ3): 36,000,000,000

    (Buu Arc) Evil Buu: 100,000,000,000
    (Buu Arc) Gotenks (SSJ3): 120,000,000,000
    (Buu Arc) Gohan (Ultimate): 150,000,000,000

    (Buu Arc) Vegetto (Base): 8,000,000,000
    (Buu Arc) Vegetto (SSJ): 400,000,000,000
    (BoG) Vegetto (Base): 9,000,000,000
    (BoG) Vegetto (SSJ): 450,000,000,000
As of right now. I might lower Gohan, Gotenks and Super Buu to lower Ginyu and first form Freeza but I haven't decided yet.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Noah » Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:51 pm

So is really Kaioshin more powerful than Piccolo or not? I always had this doubt
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:53 pm

Noah wrote:So is really Kaioshin more powerful than Piccolo or not? I always had this doubt
Literally everything that directly compares them says that he is.

People just don't like it because apparently he's not "badass" enough.
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