Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[Saiga]

Again, though, the Daizenshuu might not actually use "somewhat" for only small gaps. There should be a big difference between Buff Boo and Fat Boo, but the Daizenshuu say that Buff Boo was "somewhat" weakened by absorbing Dai Kaioshin.

[RandomGuy96]

Again, though, the Daizenshuu might not actually use "somewhat" for only small gaps. There should be a big difference between Buff Boo and Fat Boo, but the Daizenshuu say that Buff Boo was "somewhat" weakened by absorbing Dai Kaioshin.

Well, you know my theory on that one. But "somewhat" literally means "in a small amount" or "in a moderate amount" depending on the definition. Aren't these the only two times it actually uses "somewhat"?

Well that one doesn't work with Gohan's statement. Unless Cold is suppressed too.

A viable possibility. Freeza can control his battle power, and wasn't at full strength when approaching Earth. Why can't the same apply for Cold?

But, then again, I don't recall it ever being stated that Cold is EQUAL to Freeza's suppressed level. I mean, they're grouped together, but no one explicitly says they're around the same size. And the anime says Cold's ki is larger... so I guess you could go with that to get suppressed Mecha Freeza < King Cold < Freeza < Mecha Freeza

Ooooor go with the Dragon Book statement that says Cold can transform.

I don't like that, though. You can also assume that a jump from, say, 90 million to 120 million (with Cold being 100 million) would be considered "much, much stronger" to Gohan.

[Saiga]

Again, though, the Daizenshuu might not actually use "somewhat" for only small gaps. There should be a big difference between Buff Boo and Fat Boo, but the Daizenshuu say that Buff Boo was "somewhat" weakened by absorbing Dai Kaioshin.

Well, you know my theory on that one. But "somewhat" literally means "in a small amount" or "in a moderate amount" depending on the definition. Aren't these the only two times it actually uses "somewhat"?

I think it also says that when comparing the future Androids and present Androids. So I guess that does support the Daizenshuu using the term correctly, unless you think that there's a big gap between both sets of Androids (which there very well may be, if the future ones fought Trunks at full power).

[RandomGuy96]

Again, though, the Daizenshuu might not actually use "somewhat" for only small gaps. There should be a big difference between Buff Boo and Fat Boo, but the Daizenshuu say that Buff Boo was "somewhat" weakened by absorbing Dai Kaioshin.

Well, you know my theory on that one. But "somewhat" literally means "in a small amount" or "in a moderate amount" depending on the definition. Aren't these the only two times it actually uses "somewhat"?

I think it also says that when comparing the future Androids and present Androids. So I guess that does support the Daizenshuu using the term correctly, unless you think that there's a big gap between both sets of Androids (which there very well may be, if the future ones fought Trunks at full power).

Well, before seeing the power of the present androids, Trunks said:

Chapter: 351 (DBZ 157), P7.1
Trunks: “We absolutely can’t win unless we have Goku’s help and everyone fights together!”

A full four chapters later, he says:

Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.5
Trunks: “They’re also somewhat different from the androids I know…They weren’t as outrageously strong as this…Even I could fight them fairly well…”

So, to Trunks, even the future androids were stronger than Vegeta or Goku individually, hence why they needed to outnumber the androids two to one (Vegeta, Goku, Trunks and Piccolo vs 17 and 18) to win. Considering that 18 wasn't THAT much stronger than Vegeta, even in the present timeline, this would go along nicely with them only being "somewhat" weaker in the future.

The use of "somewhat" for Cold's bio also doesn't contradict anything, and fits the implications from the series that he's relevant in a team-up against SS Goku.

The use of "somewhat" for the drop from Buff to Fat Buu is the only questionable one, but only if you don't use the same theory I do. In fact, I find myself using that quote to support it.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Not to mention it's illogical when GT Base Goku can stomp SSjin Vegetto

This is also opinion-based. We don't have any indication of such thing in GT, we only have GT base Goku >= SS3 Z Goku, which is questionable.

[Kakashi]

Not to mention it's illogical when GT Base Goku can stomp SSjin Vegetto

This is also opinion-based. We don't have any indication of such thing in GT, we only have GT base Goku >= SS3 Z Goku, which is questionable.

GT Base Goku > Anime Pure Boo > SSjin Vegetto

[Kamiccolo9]

Anime Pure Boo > SSjin Vegetto

What?!? What gave you this idea?

[Kakashi]

Anime Pure Boo > SSjin Vegetto

What?!? What gave you this idea?

Pure Boo is far stronger than Gohan-Boo in the Anime and SSjin Vegetto struggled against Gohan-Boo's dimension scream which I believe was some of Pure Boo's has power

[Kakashi]

Slug power level

[RandomGuy96]

Slug power level

Slug-
--Old- 28,000,000
--Young- 56,000,000
--Giant- 140,000,000

That's a minimum. I believe he was being compared to 50-70% Freeza when Kaio said he was stronger than Freeza, but I can see Slug being as high as over 200 million.

[Kamiccolo9]

Anime Pure Boo > SSjin Vegetto

What?!? What gave you this idea?

Pure Boo is far stronger than Gohan-Boo in the Anime and SSjin Vegetto struggled against Gohan-Boo's dimension scream which I believe was some of Pure Boo's has power

So, you're saying that SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Vegetto. Okay.

[RandomGuy96]

Two statements say Pure Buu is stronger than Buuhan. Over a dozen, most left over from the manga, say that he isn't.

[Kamiccolo9]

Two statements say Pure Buu is stronger than Buuhan. Over a dozen, most left over from the manga, say that he isn't.

Exactly. And even if he is, I'm still not seeing how that makes Pure Buu stronger than Vegetto. You know, the guy that Goku turned down becoming in order to fight Pure Buu.

[RandomGuy96]

Two statements say Pure Buu is stronger than Buuhan. Over a dozen, most left over from the manga, say that he isn't.

Exactly. And even if he is, I'm still not seeing how that makes Pure Buu stronger than Vegetto. You know, the guy that Goku turned down becoming in order to fight Pure Buu.

The justification for that is probably "Vegetto still has SS2 and SS3".

[Kakashi]

Slug power level

Slug-
--Old- 28,000,000
--Young- 56,000,000
--Giant- 140,000,000

That's a minimum. I believe he was being compared to 50-70% Freeza when Kaio said he was stronger than Freeza, but I can see Slug being as high as over 200 million.

The highest power shown at that time was 3rd form Frieza. Goku is also his Ginyu arc self. Slug as a giant should be > 3rd form Frieza

[Kakashi]

So, you're saying that SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Vegetto. Okay.

Anime Pure Boo Arc SSjin 3 Goku is. Why not? That's TOEI Hax

[RandomGuy96]

Slug power level

Slug-
--Old- 28,000,000
--Young- 56,000,000
--Giant- 140,000,000

That's a minimum. I believe he was being compared to 50-70% Freeza when Kaio said he was stronger than Freeza, but I can see Slug being as high as over 200 million.

The highest power shown at that time was 3rd form Freeza. Goku is also his Ginyu arc self. Slug as a giant should be > 3rd form Freeza

What's even the point of asking other people if you're just going to give sparse content-less replies where you just state your own opinions of fact?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Not to mention it's illogical when GT Base Goku can stomp SSjin Vegetto

This is also opinion-based. We don't have any indication of such thing in GT, we only have GT base Goku >= SS3 Z Goku, which is questionable.

GT Base Goku > Anime Pure Boo > SSjin Vegetto

Pure Boo is only stated to be the strongest Boo in the anime, but since Goku couldn't stand a chance against Gohan Boo, Gotenks Boo, S. Kaioshin Boo, Piccolo Boo, and Evil Boo, while he could stand a chance against Pure Boo, it's obvious that Pure Boo isn't literally the strongest Boo. But even if he was stronger than Gohan Boo (he isn't), that doesn't make him stronger than Super Vegetto, since Super Vegetto was faaa~aaar stronger than Gohan Boo.

[KentalSSJ6]

Buuhan = Strongest Buu.

Kid Buu = Most Dangerous Buu.

[RandomGuy96]

So, I'd like to bring something up: I have often seen it stated that the Daizenshuu says that the only difference between SS2 Gohan as a kid and SS2 Gohan as a teenager is the rage boost. Meaning SS Gohan as a teen should be stronger than SS Gohan as a kid. I've HEARD that, and follow it, but have yet to actually see the excerpt that says that. Anyone have it?