Hellspawn28 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:04 pm
Orange Piccolo and Final Gohan vs. Granolah
How does this battle go?
Wait! Does the events of Super take place in Age 783? Apparently that's just one year before the epilogue of the series. Pan is three years old supposedly in the movie and she was born in Age 779. If it's to be believed then the film occurs sometime either in Age 782 or 783. Perhaps Piccolo and Gohan could challenge Granolah here after all. Challenge isn't the same as winning, however. We can likely draw some conclusions about Goku and Vegeta still be stronger overall than these two. Moreover, Granolah's fighting style that aims for vital points could prove to be the undoing of these two unless Piccolo's Namekian physiology allows him to bypass it. Come to think of it why couldn't he rearrange his internal body just like he manipulates his limbs and size? Of course that's just speculation.
Granolah may win this but he's going to be having quite the difficult time.
Peach wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:56 pm
Master Roshi (TOP) vs. Future Zamasu
Future Trunks vs. Champa's team (Botamo, Frost, Magetta, Cabba, and Hit) in 1v1's
Master Roshi (TOP) vs. Future Zamasu: Don't see how Roshi can defeat this opponent through any means other than the Mafuba. Future Zamasu is too much in both iterations for the Turtle Hermit to defeat in conventional terms. Sleepy Boy hypnosis is an interesting prospect but would it work against anyone who isn't a child?
Future Trunks vs. Champa's team (Botamo, Frost, Magetta, Cabba, and Hit) in 1v1's: If it's the manga iteration then Trunks may lose to Botamo due to an inability to damage his opponent. Keep in mind that Vegeta and Piccolo made the observation that for Goku to damage Botamo he would need to use his full strength. Battle conditions and the nature of the engagement are important there unless Trunks is willing to think outside of the box and do something like launch his opponent into space and have him die of suffocation. Ikari Trunks from the anime could likely win, though.
I believe it's quite plausible that Trunks would lose to Frost. The poisoned needle would affect Trunks' motor skills and cognisance to the point Frost should be able to finish him off.
MrGohanks wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:22 pm
Base Gogeta (Cell Games) vs All 7 Cell Jr's.
SSJ2 Cabba vs Present Zamasu
SSJ3 Goku (17 arc) vs SSJ2 Vegito (Buu saga)
Orange Piccolo vs Full Power Jiren (no limit breaker)
Final Gohan (Late Saiyan saga) vs SSJR Goku Black (anime)
Yamcha (Cell Games) vs 3rd form Freeza (Namek arc)
Base Gogeta (Cell Games) vs All 7 Cell Jr's: Regardless of Goku needing to lower his strength in order to match Vegeta's, the resultant fusion is still going to come out very strong. I could believe base Gogeta posing a threat to Cell at full power here. The Cell Jrs won't stand a chance.
SSJ2 Cabba vs Present Zamasu: Cabba's transformation
did prompt Freeza into resorting to his golden form. We don't know what percentage of his strength the tyrant had been using prior to dominate base Cabba but it seems unlikely that his 100% state would suffice here unless he was using less than 1% of his strength to torment his opponent. The same Freeza was equal to Goku from the beginning portion of the tournament. For a comparison Goku has transitioned from needing blue against Hit to standing shoulder to shoulder with the assassin using just SSJG in the anime. By proxy this is an indication of Freeza's own growth and what it implies for Cabba since he fought this same Freeza.
Zamasu can't win unless he were to use his paralysis arts to immobilise and then kill Cabba.
SSJ3 Goku (17 arc) vs SSJ2 Vegito (Buu saga): You mean the Super 17 saga? It's jarring to realise but SSJ Goku was proving to be more of a threat to Super 17 than Majuub. Remember him? The newly evolved warrior that merged Uub's extraordinary aptitude with Good Buu's power? Someone who could evidently mount a tougher resistance against Baby Vegeta than SSJ3 Goku from the previous saga. The implication here with Super 17 is that either Uub slacked off, unlikely I believe, or Goku improved so much that by the time of being confronted with this souped up cyborg he's already surpassed his pupil with merely the first Saiyan transformation.
I could believe SSJ3 Goku defeating SSJ2 Vegetto from the Buu arc by this time. The implications from statements and showings during the Black Star Dragon Ball and Super 17 sagas lead me to believe that Goku has improved immensely.
Orange Piccolo vs Full Power Jiren (no limit breaker): I suppose Orange Piccolo? Apparently his strength now is on the same spectrum as MUI Goku and UE Vegeta's if still weaker. Mind you I haven't watched the movie but Jiren's strength has been old news for several arcs now.
Final Gohan (Late Saiyan saga) vs SSJR Goku Black (anime): I suppose Black if only for the reason that Gohan would have to contend with the gaseous clone barrage that the rupture in the dimensions could create. Goku and Vegeta never were able to overcome that ability of Black's. I don't think Gohan would be able to put up much of a fight here anyway.
Yamcha (Cell Games) vs 3rd form Freeza (Namek arc): I'm inclined to say Yamcha. His power was the least of those who had showed up to confront the cyborgs but I can't imagine it being
that much weaker than Tenshinhan and Krillin's. People dismiss any significant gains due to the nature of their training. My responce would be that large gains are apparently still possible if Vegeta is anything to go by during the intermission between Namek/Trunks' arrival. Also, weight training isn't anything to scoff at when going by precedent. The record
in real life for weights lifted is 2.8 metric tonnes; that's over a quarter of what base Goku from the Buu arc was using to work out with in the afterlife. I could believe Yamcha being able to handle far more than almost three tonnes on his body. As the natural takeaway this would suggest that he may be able to challenge and bring down this version of Freeza.
