Fusion of Goten and Trunks in GT?

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Fusion of Goten and Trunks in GT?

Post by ItsAllGood » Tue May 03, 2005 3:53 am

I am curious to see why this was never followed up in GT? It would seem that both Trunks and Goten knew about Fusion, but they never actually used it to help out in any of the fights during GT.

One could make the assumption that there was no need for it, which would create more filler in the series, but considering the strength of the two boys would have undoubtedly grown during the years between Z and GT, it would have provided an interesting alternative to SSJ4 Gogeta. SSJ4 Gotenks perhaps? Who knows, they may have even had this in the works, had GT not been cancelled due to poor ratings?

At the very least, it would have given fans more to look forward to than just watching Goku and Vegeta taking care of villains during the series.

Personally, I believe it would have been great to see an adult Gotenks fighting alongside his father(s).

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Post by Ash » Tue May 03, 2005 4:12 am

Well, they proposed to fuse while fighting against Bebi, but Gokuu said it was useless and 'demanded' their power to add to his own :P
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Post by B-kun » Tue May 03, 2005 6:13 am

For the redord, ItsAllGood, I'm not really sure "filler" was the right word, since GT is anime-only and filler usually refers to content added to an anime in order to buy time for the manga to get far ahead (IE, in Cardcaptor Sakura, there are 52 Clow Cards in the anime and only 19 in the manga).

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Post by ItsAllGood » Tue May 03, 2005 6:33 am

Whoops! Point taken B-Kun. Thanks! :) :oops:

Consider this though - during the Buu saga, when Trunks and Goten were aligning their power to one another in an attempt to start the fusion training, Goku mentioned to Goten that the reason he couldn't match Trunk's power was because Trunks was older, so naturally he would be slightly stronger. It would seem that their power increases in a linear fashion according to their age - in conjunction with the training that they would have most probably undertaken during the Z and GT series.

Therefore, if we "fast forward" to the GT series, the theory of strength rising in accordance with age would make Goten and Trunks stronger - hence producing a stronger character fusion. They may not have reached the levels of their fathers, but am i correct in saying that Goten and Trunks were actually full-powered Super Saiyans?
If so, they are already many steps ahead of their fathers when they were their ages. in effect, its actually a "head start"

How was Goku to know that fusion would be of no use? Goku himself was surprised during DBZ that Trunks and Goten could reach SSJ3 - which is far beyond what they could reach individually. If you take into account the ages of Trunks and Goten and the levels they reach as CHILDREN, never mind as adults, then i believe that they would have been more than a match for any villan in GT as Gotenks. As for Gotenks himself, who knows how much stronger he could have been?

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Post by Caracal » Tue May 03, 2005 7:15 am

Note: I know this thread is about Gotenks not featuring in GT, but I also believe that we don't see "Mystic" Gohan for simular reasons, so I'll mention him as well.

Unless I'm mistaken, Gotenks and "Mystic" Gohan's power were pretty much equal to Goku's during the Buu saga. One of GT's biggest problems is the fact it likes to make Goku the hero and the only one who can put a decent chance against the villains, making him even more heroic. The way I view it, Gotenks and "Mystic" Gohan could have stood a far better chance against Super Android 17, and at least hold him off better until Goku showed up. However, if this was done, then it would make Goku less heroic (again this is how I view it).

And for the record, I think Gotenks could have done some damage to Bebi, especally going by what ItsAllGood said in the previous post.

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Post by VegettoEX » Tue May 03, 2005 7:26 am

ItsAllGood wrote:Trunk's
Trunks'.

His name isn't Trunk :).
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Post by Sun_Wukong » Tue May 03, 2005 9:08 am

Goten and Trunks were hardly in GT together. Other than that, I just think it would be pointless. There's no way Gotenks would be able to reach SSJ4. By GT, the villains just got so rediculusly(sp?) strong that, of course, only the main charcter could beat them. Typical for a Shounen anime.

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Post by Caracal » Tue May 03, 2005 11:39 am

I personaly don't think they'd need to be SSj4 to have done some damage, and they were only so strong so they could make SSj4 Goku beat everyone.

Besides, I once read that only pure blooded Saiyans can go SSj4, though where that came from I'm NSS.

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Post by Xyex » Tue May 03, 2005 12:31 pm

That's a fan theory I believe. Though I've seen it on the same 'info pages' that claim anything less than a half Saiya-jin can't go Super Saiya-jin (to explain why Pan never did) ignoring that Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. both do. I think it's just another case of TOEI not wanting someone other than Goku to be the center of attention in the series. :?
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Post by Gamingdevil » Tue May 03, 2005 12:42 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
ItsAllGood wrote:Trunk's
Trunks'.

His name isn't Trunk :).
Although there are a lot of people who think it is... :?
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Post by Caracal » Tue May 03, 2005 4:46 pm

Xyex wrote:That's a fan theory I believe. Though I've seen it on the same 'info pages' that claim anything less than a half Saiya-jin can't go Super Saiya-jin (to explain why Pan never did) ignoring that Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. both do. I think it's just another case of TOEI not wanting someone other than Goku to be the center of attention in the series. :?
Agreed. As for Pan not being able to turn SSj, I've read a fan theory which states that female saiyans are unable to transform.

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Post by Xyex » Tue May 03, 2005 5:06 pm

I think it's due to Gohan not being able to anymore due to his Mystic power-up. (Plus TOEI not wanting her to, but I'm keeping this IC.) As for Goku Jr., she may have reached Super Saiya-jin after GT ended. You know, try to follow in Goku's footsteps and all since she quite looked up to him.
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Post by tealsmith » Tue May 03, 2005 7:30 pm

Xyex wrote:I think it's due to Gohan not being able to anymore due to his Mystic power-up. (Plus TOEI not wanting her to, but I'm keeping this IC.) As for Goku Jr., she may have reached Super Saiya-jin after GT ended. You know, try to follow in Goku's footsteps and all since she quite looked up to him.
Um... correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't Gohan go SSJ in GT?
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Post by Rocketman » Tue May 03, 2005 8:00 pm

Goten and Trunks slacked off training, just like Gohan does. Therefore, a GT Gotenks would be weaker, or at best, equal to Z Gotenks, and wouldn't be much help at all.

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Post by Sun_Wukong » Tue May 03, 2005 8:27 pm

Xyex wrote: Um... correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't Gohan go SSJ in GT?
Yeah, he did. Wich makes no sense whatsoever. Didnt Dai-Kaioshin say he wouldnt need to go SSJ anymore?

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Post by oponok » Tue May 03, 2005 9:04 pm

I actually wrote of this, before...

"Trunks and Goten suggest the fusion into Gotenks, but Goku explains that this would be too dynamic a plot element, and they must never speak of it again. Instead, they must give all their Ki to him. Trunks asks if he has to, and Goku pimp slaps him for his mutiny..."

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Post by tealsmith » Tue May 03, 2005 10:40 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:
Xyex wrote: Um... correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't Gohan go SSJ in GT?
Yeah, he did. Wich makes no sense whatsoever. Didnt Dai-Kaioshin say he wouldnt need to go SSJ anymore?
That's Dragonball GT for you :P

I always considered 'Mystic' a sort of level up from SSJ2 for Gohan, kind of like his version of SSJ3. Is that the case, or is Mystic simply a power-up to his base power?
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Post by Brett » Tue May 03, 2005 11:22 pm

Rocketman wrote:Goten and Trunks slacked off training, just like Gohan does. Therefore, a GT Gotenks would be weaker, or at best, equal to Z Gotenks, and wouldn't be much help at all.
That's the point I was going to make.

But it still would have been cool to see Gotenks in GT.
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Post by Xyex » Tue May 03, 2005 11:36 pm

tealsmith wrote:
Sun_Wukong wrote:
Um... correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't Gohan go SSJ in GT?
Yeah, he did. Wich makes no sense whatsoever. Didnt Dai-Kaioshin say he wouldnt need to go SSJ anymore?
That's Dragonball GT for you :P

I always considered 'Mystic' a sort of level up from SSJ2 for Gohan, kind of like his version of SSJ3. Is that the case, or is Mystic simply a power-up to his base power?
Mystic is a full out power-up. I think the idea is that all of his hidden powers (including Super Saiya-jin) were 'unlocked' in his normal state. Hence why he had to 'do that thing you do when you go Super Saiya-jin' the first time. Just to finish the unlocking process. Which means he'll never transform again, he simply can't. GT forgets this however, like it forgots all logic (even DB's abnormal logic goes out the window).
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Post by lost in thought » Wed May 04, 2005 1:40 am

Xyex wrote:Which means he'll never transform again, he simply can't.
I am not going to debate with you on this, but I think saying he cannot transform is bullshit.
It's my opinion that it was unnecessary, after the power was unlocked. I could be wrong though.

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