yeah i for sure do like it visually especially because i love a good majority of the movie posters (i bought a poster of movie 2's recently even), i guess i just didn't notice for movies 5 and 6 because their posters colors are a lot cooler, rather than the harsh red on 7 and 8.Gaffer Tape wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:32 pm I've been doing the poster in the background for the movies since Z movie 5, as well as putting the intro image as the background for DBD TV for the past couple of years. Primarily, especially since I was mostly working with 4:3 images in a 16:9 window, I felt it was more visually interesting. Now that I'm using Dragon Box movie footage for the first time... well, I still thought it looked more visually interesting.
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I mean, I never watch dubs with replacement scores if available, so I don't care for the Pantera music either.Gaffer Tape wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:32 pmScsigs wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:33 pm Speaking off, you ever sample the dub of the movie? To me, it's like a proto-Kai dub since it's faithful in its translation, but playful. It's probably one of my favorite pre-Kai DB dubs. If not, I'd at least recommend it out of mild curiosity. Though the acting isn't 100% what these actors would be capable of, it's WAY better than Z's dub by a mile.
Nope. I've never watched it. I certainly got several new people in my comments yesterday surprised that I didn't mention anything about Pantera, though. =P
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Honestly, Lance, don't force yourself to do episodes of your dissection series if it'll be too soon for you. Let yourself take it in & relax. Heal yourself before continuing what needs your full passion, as I imagine this is largely a passion project of yours.
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Goku Attracts Bad Guys? - Dragon Ball Dissection: The Cell Arc Part 17!
Cell destroys himself, but he's bad at it, so Gohan has to destroy him too. Afterwards, the gang use the Dragon Balls for a hard rest, but Goku no longer approves of the status quo. Are his reasons thoughtful and thematically appropriate, or is it all just a big mess?
Cell destroys himself, but he's bad at it, so Gohan has to destroy him too. Afterwards, the gang use the Dragon Balls for a hard rest, but Goku no longer approves of the status quo. Are his reasons thoughtful and thematically appropriate, or is it all just a big mess?
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I agree that Goku's excuse of attracting bad guys is a flimsy one. Indeed, he makes everything safer, he pacifies and domesticates his enemies, making them less threatening, and by extension, less challenging. That's exactly why running away to fight dead people is his only way to stay engaged and grow, at this point. Vegeta's stab at moving beyond Super Saiyan shows how effective he is as a rival at this point, and Gohan earned his retirement (though, as we find in the next arc, the Afterlife was ultimately not the golden goose he'd hoped it was).
All of which tracks with the "Goku's ennui" reading. A reading which, from Toriyama's comments about "elements of poison slipping in between the cracks", seems to be at least in part intended, and, indeed, intended as something that is largely subtext. Unless there's a compelling alternative explanation for what he meant with that comment.
Tenshinhan's comment at the end, I think, pretty clearly conveys that he'd ultimately only been hanging around for as long as he had on the faint hope of getting another go at Goku. Vegeta's certainly does.
All of which tracks with the "Goku's ennui" reading. A reading which, from Toriyama's comments about "elements of poison slipping in between the cracks", seems to be at least in part intended, and, indeed, intended as something that is largely subtext. Unless there's a compelling alternative explanation for what he meant with that comment.
Tenshinhan's comment at the end, I think, pretty clearly conveys that he'd ultimately only been hanging around for as long as he had on the faint hope of getting another go at Goku. Vegeta's certainly does.
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yeah the goku stuff is kind of a huge mess, but i really like the ending as a whole, especially in the anime, it's just a nice and pleasant ending for a arc that was so serious. plus, vegeta in that baggy sweater and gohan in a suit ? adorable.
i actually made note of that yamucha and trunks interaction when i watched that part in the anime earlier this week, it's very little but i liked it a lot, glad you mentioned it.
i wonder if tenshinhan's comment at the end was just toriyama trying to retire the character ? i don't think he sees kuririn and yamucha again for the rest of the series, so his statement was about half true, lol.
i actually made note of that yamucha and trunks interaction when i watched that part in the anime earlier this week, it's very little but i liked it a lot, glad you mentioned it.
i wonder if tenshinhan's comment at the end was just toriyama trying to retire the character ? i don't think he sees kuririn and yamucha again for the rest of the series, so his statement was about half true, lol.
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I agree with something Lanipator said a few years ago in one of the TFS Gaming streams. That being that every villain in Z, except Buu, are on Earth because of Goku. But, every other villain in the franchise up until then isn't. Even Super & GT have more villains that are there because of Goku than the main manga's story. Hell, the last arc of GT is centered around that premise due to the Dragon Balls releasing their stored negative energy & creating the Shadow Dragons from all of their wishes. Toriyama was REALLY stretching for reasons for Goku to stay dead. You can tell he was starting to run on fumes by this point into the manga if he couldn't put together the pieces he made through the arc. No fucks given was Toriyama by this point, which is reflected in the Buu Saga definitely.
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I was also thinking this, Toriyama trying to make Ten bow out 'with grace'? Which makes it all the more baffling that he returns for a pointless cameo in the Boo arc.Soppa Saia People wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:24 pmi wonder if tenshinhan's comment at the end was just toriyama trying to retire the character ? i don't think he sees kuririn and yamucha again for the rest of the series, so his statement was about half true, lol.
But seriously, these people are his friends, he's never really made it seem like he only wants to see them if they're fighting/competing. He can also cross the globe without much problem.
He really has no reason to make this kind of declaration.
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Toriyama openly admitted that while he was writing the Majin Boo arc he had grown tired of drawing and writing battle shonen manga. He was absolutely burned out when the Majin Boo went into full swing and it shows narratively and aesthetically. But I do think Toriyama's more sloppy side of storytelling was creeping in by the conclusion of the the Freeza arc.Scsigs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:25 pm I agree with something Lanipator said a few years ago in one of the TFS Gaming streams. That being that every villain in Z, except Buu, are on Earth because of Goku. But, every other villain in the franchise up until then isn't. Even Super & GT have more villains that are there because of Goku than the main manga's story. Hell, the last arc of GT is centered around that premise due to the Dragon Balls releasing their stored negative energy & creating the Shadow Dragons from all of their wishes. Toriyama was REALLY stretching for reasons for Goku to stay dead. You can tell he was starting to run on fumes by this point into the manga if he couldn't put together the pieces he made through the arc. No fucks given was Toriyama by this point, which is reflected in the Buu Saga definitely.
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I can see your point, but at least Toriyama seemed to still take things seriously in both arcs. The Buu Saga's where he REALLY stopped giving a fuck about narrative cohesion & storytelling, at least after the arc enters its full swing. After Buu himself is introduced, the arc starts slipping REALLY hard & shit starts happening just for the sake of it, as if Toriyama had a ton of different ideas of what he wanted to do, but didn't just wanna decide on the ones that made the most narrative sense, so he did all of them in a completely arbitrary order of his choosing. At least, that's what it feels like in that arc. The 2 conflicting tones of seriousness & out there comedy don't help either, since that arc has a TON of mood whiplash.Lord Beerus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:26 am Toriyama openly admitted that while he was writing the Majin Boo arc he had grown tired of drawing and writing battle shonen manga. He was absolutely burned out when the Majin Boo went into full swing and it shows narratively and aesthetically. But I do think Toriyama's more sloppy side of storytelling was creeping in by the conclusion of the the Freeza arc.
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Yeah, the Majin Boo arc has some MAJOR storytelling issues, but I still think the good outweighs the bad of the arc, if not by much. But that's mainly taking into consideration the anime version of the arc. The manga version of the arc is awful.Scsigs wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:09 amI can see your point, but at least Toriyama seemed to still take things seriously in both arcs. The Buu Saga's where he REALLY stopped giving a fuck about narrative cohesion & storytelling, at least after the arc enters its full swing. After Buu himself is introduced, the arc starts slipping REALLY hard & shit starts happening just for the sake of it, as if Toriyama had a ton of different ideas of what he wanted to do, but didn't just wanna decide on the ones that made the most narrative sense, so he did all of them in a completely arbitrary order of his choosing. At least, that's what it feels like in that arc. The 2 conflicting tones of seriousness & out there comedy don't help either, since that arc has a TON of mood whiplash.Lord Beerus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:26 am Toriyama openly admitted that while he was writing the Majin Boo arc he had grown tired of drawing and writing battle shonen manga. He was absolutely burned out when the Majin Boo went into full swing and it shows narratively and aesthetically. But I do think Toriyama's more sloppy side of storytelling was creeping in by the conclusion of the the Freeza arc.
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The best sign that Goku's reasoning was nonsensical comes in the arc itself: Goku was dead in the future timeline, yet Gero still released his androids.
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I agree with what your overall point, but in that scenario did Gero even know Goku was dead?RandomGuy96 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:08 pm The best sign that Goku's reasoning was nonsensical comes in the arc itself: Goku was dead in the future timeline, yet Gero still released his androids.
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It isn't exactly Dragon Ball Dissection, but I did put out a video discussing Dragon Ball Z season 3 in the U.S., as we've reached its 20th anniversary, and it's one of the more infamous turning points in dubbed DB history. It's in a similar vein to the video I made last year about my favorite edits from seasons 1 and 2.
20 Years Since Toonami's Z-Day! 10 Things You Need to Know About DBZ Season 3
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Another great video. I don't have much to say as I was there too in 1999 and you pretty much covered everything. I have a really vivid memory of my friend buying the first two uncut tapes from Suncoast. I remember we gathered around the TV and threw up a cheer when we saw Vegeta's blood-caked face then let out an audible groan once everyone (especially Kuririn) started talking. It's wild how...amateurish the whole production comes off. Dragon Ball really was Funi's golden goose and they had (have?) no idea how to take care of it and it still keeps popping out golden eggs.
It is really weird that Sabat's Yamcha* in the Sleeping Princess movie is a perfectly fine voice then he decides it would be a better fit if he talked like a Ninja Turtle when he first voices him in Z.
*His Yamcha in general is probably his best voice. Is that a controversial opinion?
It is really weird that Sabat's Yamcha* in the Sleeping Princess movie is a perfectly fine voice then he decides it would be a better fit if he talked like a Ninja Turtle when he first voices him in Z.
*His Yamcha in general is probably his best voice. Is that a controversial opinion?
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yeah, i really like these sorta retrospective type videos, especially on this topic because season 3 really just fascinates me, with just how low quality it is and how, not really elusive, but how it isn't widely available, it's just super interesting too me. it feels like a bad fansub that like 10 people made in some basement, just such a weird feel to it, too me at least of course.
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What if there was a Rock the Dragon style re-release of the original season 3 dub? Would people buy that? I was just thinking of how they could probably call it something like “The Mondo Cool Collection” or whatever.
Edit: Then again, I just remembered that the “mondo cool” line was kept in the remastered dub, which is weird because both Sonny Strait and Chris Sabat were redubbing all their lines at around that point. You’d think that would’ve given them the perfect opportunity to get rid of that line.
Edit: Then again, I just remembered that the “mondo cool” line was kept in the remastered dub, which is weird because both Sonny Strait and Chris Sabat were redubbing all their lines at around that point. You’d think that would’ve given them the perfect opportunity to get rid of that line.
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DB Movie 2 was first work with Funimation in house cast? The more you know...Both Bulma and Yamcha sounded good there, so what happened in Season 3? Seems like Funimation philosophy "Doing good on one DB release, screw up next one" was implemented from very beginning
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Movie 2's dub was more of a test dub, I believe. Hence why a LOT of the cast members from that dub didn't stick around. Out of all of them, only 3 cast members; Sabat, McFarland, & Jackson, were the only ones to return in future dubs of the franchise as permanent cast members. Some returned only in one or a few other things, but nothing permanent. When it came to dubbing the show, I don't think Sabat either thought he was going to voice the character, or he just decided to do something different for Z for whatever reason he had. Thankfully, his Yamcha is WAY better nowadays since the early Z days & he lost the surfer dude accent.coola wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:09 pm DB Movie 2 was first work with Funimation in house cast? The more you know...Both Bulma and Yamcha sounded good there, so what happened in Season 3? Seems like Funimation philosophy "Doing good on one DB release, screw up next one" was implemented from very beginning
When it comes to their releases, I know you're probably joking, but that's a pretty low way of looking at their DB releases, since only Z has had any consistently bad reviews out of the 4 shows & the movies. Sure, not a lot of their releases for DB have been perfect, but they're at least good, minus most of the Z releases, as I said.
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