A Hanna-Barbara SF in the new Dead Zone Sub:

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:52 am

That's right, somehow through some bizarre dimensional way, I swear I heard a Hanna-Barbara Sound Effect in the Dead Zone redub dvd, but not on the redub, but on the original Japanese version itself. That's right, at the end after Garlic Jr. is knocked into the Dead Zone and it closes on him, listen when Gohan falls to the ground with his eyes rolling into his head: "RRRrrrr Bpphhhh". Now so no-one thinks I'm crazy, could someone please double-check this? Also, I no longer have the Pioneer dvd so I don't know if the SF was present in it's Japanese version like the redub dvd's is.

Mr. Simmons, when you were translating it, do you recall hearing it?

EX, you above anyone should of noticed this and brought it up. I swear, I heard a Hanna-Barbara SF in the redub dvd's Japanese version, when Gohan falls at the end, everyone who has or is getting a copy please check both the Pioneer and Redub dvd's Japanese versions, I need to know I'm not crazy and find out if FUNi would actually mess with the Movies.

Commander_Red · Post by **Commander_Red** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 3:13 am

I remember hearing that in the Pioneer dub, it's probably in the original too.

tarsonis · Post by **tarsonis** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:35 am

True, but the Pioneer dub had a lot of inserted sound effects..hold on while I check the subbed version on my copy of the Pioneer DVD...

Nope, that sound is not there.

And if these are truly supposed to be the ultimate uncut versions, they should not be inserting any sounds at all, including the dub.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:41 am

Well, I hear it in the old dub, but I have no idea about the Japanese version >_>

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:58 am

Like I said, I heard it with my own two ears, if anyone who can shell a spare $15 bucks out, please get the Dead Zone redub DVD and you'll see for yourselves: FUNi has definitly false advertised this time, messing with the original Japanese version sub just kills me, especially considering people who got this for the Ultimate Uncut purpose.

Ultimate Uncut my American ass.

tarsonis · Post by **tarsonis** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:14 pm

It's odd that would be the only sound effect that got added, why there and nowhere else? I was thinking maybe it's a mistake that slipped by, but that doesn't seem logical considering the Japanese version shouldn't be touched at all.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:38 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:FUNi has definitly false advertised this time, messing with the original Japanese version sub just kills me, especially considering people who got this for the Ultimate Uncut purpose.

Calm down. We don't even know if it was messed with or not. We'd need someone who actually owns the untouched Japanese version to confirm.

Blastero · Post by **Blastero** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 4:19 pm

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:19 pm

Blastero wrote:Its definately not there on the Pioneer sub. It is there on the dub. Maybe if you could rip the audio from the DVD and post it that would help. By the way. Were all of the DBZ style puching sounds changed to generic American style punching sounds like on the Pioneer dub on the redub?

No SFX were altered in the redub, except for the music being changed, it was basicly just fine, and there were NO hanna-barabra SFX in it. But like I said, there was one in the Japanese version, when Gohan is falling at the end: "RRRrrr Bphh". It was on the Pioneer dub as well so you should be able to reconize it. I'm hoping I'm not the only one who actually bought the redub dvd, kind of makes me one of the few knowers that Dead Zone wasn't Ultimatly Uncut.

kenisu3000 · Post by **kenisu3000** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:34 pm

So far, I only have the old Pioneer "Dead Zone" DVD, so I can only base my observations from that alone, but here you go:

In the dub, what I hear is, as Gohan is falling, an "Rrrrrr" sound, and then the clash of cymbals as he hits the ground.

In the Japanese, there is no sound as Gohan is falling, and when he hits the ground, it's more of a *tunk* noise (which is the REAL sound a person would make if they hit the ground!).

Again, please note that these are from checking the Pioneer DVD, not FUNi's. I do plan on getting the Ultimate Uncut Whamalamadingdong "Dead Zone" soon, and if FUNimation has indeed laid their filthy hands on the Japanese track, heads are gonna roll.

-NO OFFENSE TO DUBBIES!!-

tarsonis · Post by **tarsonis** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:08 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:No SFX were altered in the redub, except for the music being changed, it was basicly just fine, and there were NO hanna-barabra SFX in it. But like I said, there was one in the Japanese version, when Gohan is falling at the end: "RRRrrr Bphh". It was on the Pioneer dub as well so you should be able to reconize it. I'm hoping I'm not the only one who actually bought the redub dvd, kind of makes me one of the few knowers that Dead Zone wasn't Ultimatly Uncut.

So, they removed all the inserted sound effects for the redub, but then took one sound from the Pioneer dub at random and put it into the Japanese version? This makes no sense on their part.

If what you say is true, I wish it hadn't been that particular sound. The scene is supposed to be dramatic and the sound damages the mood.

The S · Post by **The S** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:20 am

I'm confused on what the deuce the sound effect you're referring to is. I don't have either DVD, but as a young lad I used to watch a lot of Hanna-Barberra type stuff... are you referring to a drum roll followed by a cymbal, or what? "RRRrrr Bphh" isn't telling me anything. It's more like the sounds the kids on the short bus make (and no, I'm not making fun of you, or joking in any way. I'm totally serious here.)

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:40 am

The S wrote:I'm confused on what the deuce the sound effect you're referring to is. I don't have either DVD, but as a young lad I used to watch a lot of Hanna-Barberra type stuff... are you referring to a drum roll followed by a cymbal, or what? "RRRrrr Bphh" isn't telling me anything. It's more like the sounds the kids on the short bus make (and no, I'm not making fun of you, or joking in any way. I'm totally serious here.)

If you happen to have the Pioneer dub on tape (curtousy of cartoon network) or on VHS, go to the part where Gohan falls to the ground with his eyes rolling back into his head after the Dead Zone closes on Garlic Jr., I don't know how many more times I must say that.

The sound is sort of strange to describe, but upon first hearing of it any person from 5 - 30 years old should be able to tell it's from a Fred Flintstone cartoon. The "RRRrrr" effect sounds just like the way it's spelled, and the "BMphh" effect sounds like it comes from a drum or cymbals. Unfortunatly I'm incapable of ripping the sound from my dvd, I'll see if I can get it through another way. In the mean time, I hope someone can find out why the hell that sound effect was in there in the first place, I mean this is the original Japanese version were talking, and under the label: "Ultimate Uncut".

kenisu3000 · Post by **kenisu3000** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:32 am

I hope to high heaven this doesn't count as necro-posting, but you were right about the SF!! I just got the redub DVD (so now I have both the new and old DVDs), and the Japanese track has, for reasons beyond my comprehension, been soiled with this "RRrrrr-Bfff!" noise! No, I was not hearing things, if you want proof, compare it for yourself if you can find the older DVD.

Just as a recap, on the Pioneer disc:
JAPANESE-*Thunk*
ENGLISH-*Rrrrr-bfff*

And on the FUNi disc:
JAPANESE-*Rrrr-bfff*
ENGLISH-*Thunk*

So you see, the SFX were actually reversed somehow when they released this redub. HOW the crap could ANYONE be so incompetent as to overlook this when formatting the audio?

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:56 am

kenisu3000 wrote:I hope to high heaven this doesn't count as necro-posting, but you were right about the SF!! I just got the redub DVD (so now I have both the new and old DVDs), and the Japanese track has, for reasons beyond my comprehension, been soiled with this "RRrrrr-Bfff!" noise! No, I was not hearing things, if you want proof, compare it for yourself if you can find the older DVD.

Just as a recap, on the Pioneer disc:
JAPANESE-*Thunk*
ENGLISH-*Rrrrr-bfff*

And on the FUNi disc:
JAPANESE-*Rrrr-bfff*
ENGLISH-*Thunk*

So you see, the SFX were actually reversed somehow when they released this redub. HOW the crap could ANYONE be so incompetent as to overlook this when formatting the audio?

At last, another forum member has helped confirm what I brought up back in June, thank you kenisu3000 for going to the trouble of getting the alleged "Ultimate Uncut" version of Dead Zone. Now False Advertisment has truly been commited by FUNi, Ultimate Uncut my ass. EX, I hope you bring this up on the Daizenshuu site, mistake or not FUNi has false advertised and as kenisu3000 said; soiled the Japanese version.

Bejiita · Post by **Bejiita** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:09 pm

I think that is false advertising then. It has to be.

But anyway, just because it reads Ultimate Uncut, it doesn't make it legal to uncut footage, the Ultimate is not even required, Uncut is all they had to put there. Ultimate doesn't make the word uncut any more relivant than it would be without it. It's just to lure suckers in and to make it more noticable.

Also, when they say footage, does it not mean the video file, and not the sound? Not trying to put negativeness into this situation, but it may be something Funimation can say if someone tries to sue to back up their point.

Really, putting sound effects from the dub into the Japanese audio track isn't really fair on the people that want to watch it in its raw format, but can Funimation really get in trouble for it?

lost in thought · Post by **lost in thought** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:38 pm

Bejiita wrote:But anyway, just because it reads Ultimate Uncut, it doesn't make it legal to uncut footage, the Ultimate is not even required, Uncut is all they had to put there. Ultimate doesn't make the word uncut any more relivant than it would be without it. It's just to lure suckers in and to make it more noticable.

Also, when they say footage, does it not mean the video file, and not the sound? Not trying to put negativeness into this situation, but it may be something Funimation can say if someone tries to sue to back up their point.

Really, putting sound effects from the dub into the Japanese audio track isn't really fair on the people that want to watch it in its raw format, but can Funimation really get in trouble for it?

For the first issue, "Ultimate Uncut" is merely a marketing ploy, like you said to make it more noticable. Nothing more than to make people want to buy it.

As far as the next part, I think when refering to "uncut" it kind of means the entire thing, but more "uncut from a point of view," than anything else. So if for FUNimation, uncut means they'll give the original footage, but keep shitty music, etc, then there's your point of view.

As well, for the sound effects in the second audio track, well that just pushes my (and I can imagine a lot of other peoples) buttons; FUNimation has been doing some goofy shit lately, but tampering with the raw audio is going too far....

GotenZ1 · Post by **GotenZ1** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:59 pm

Yeah..yeah, this all really sucks....the dvds are crap!

(sarcasm)
Has anyone heard the Dragonbox version, or has anyone talked to a FUNi rep. I'm I know this sucks that these DVDs aren't 100% uncut, but we are already missing the next episode stuff...yeah, this is a dissapointment, but you CAN'T DO ANYTHING about this. It's done people. If you really want to make your point then e-mail FUNimation and ASK them if there is a reason for the switch. Did you guys ever think that it might just be a mistake made by FUNi? It happens when you are human. I'm not trying to say the whole thing is irrelevent, but just calm down. What are you guys going to do? Sue FUNimation for "false advertising"? Actually if you want to go into technicallities, "Ultimate Uncut" isn't the same as "Completely Uncut", it just means that it is the best source of uncut DBZ footage in the U.S.

I'm not trying to rain on the party, I'm just trying to looka at this from a non-fan boy perspective. I want my uncut DBZ just as much as you guys do.

lost in thought · Post by **lost in thought** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 3:14 pm

Like I said GotenZ1, it's "uncut from a point of view," FUNimation's point of view. And as far as the DragonBoxes go, well Toei is releasing seperate volumes, but I've heard they will be quite expensive for four-episode volumes. (I believe I'd heard neighboring $30.00 USD.)

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 3:51 pm

I think you guys are wigging out about not much.

Kanzenshuu

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