If Future Trunks had stayed...
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If Future Trunks had stayed in the main timeline (reason is irrelevant), do you think he would have any influence on the events of the Boo saga? What his influence would be on events or characters(*cough*himself*cough*) is up to you to decide.
Also, for the sake of spicing things up, he has SSJ2 and is around Vegeta's level in power.
Also, for the sake of spicing things up, he has SSJ2 and is around Vegeta's level in power.
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Future Trunks and Gohan do the fusion dance? :3
I'd be interested to see how the two Trunkses (sp?) would interact.
I'd be interested to see how the two Trunkses (sp?) would interact.
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I would guess that Mirai Trunks would have went with Goku and the others to help Kibito and Kaioshin to stop Babidi. Trunks would also likely been knock out by Buu just like what happen to Gohan and could have travel to the Kaioshin Planet with Gohan and Kibito. I would imagine that Trunks could have handle the Z sword much better then Gohan did and would have been much stronger. Trunks and Gohan could learn the fusion dance from Goku and would try to Buu.
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I always imagined it'd be like a big brother-little brother relationship ever since Budokai 3 had kid Trunks say, "Its like having an older brother!"
And yeah a fusion to make Trunkan or Gohenks would be cool, maybe they if Gohan didn't get wiped out by Fat Boo, maybe Goku would mention that they should fuse instead of Goten and Trunks(little)?
And yeah a fusion to make Trunkan or Gohenks would be cool, maybe they if Gohan didn't get wiped out by Fat Boo, maybe Goku would mention that they should fuse instead of Goten and Trunks(little)?
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I'd think the two Trunks would get along as good as Gohan and Goten do though to stop any confusion, they could call the older Trunks "Mirai".
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There's too many variables to think of when considering a character like Future Trunks (FT). He's the reason anyone in this timeline stood a chance in the previous couple of sagas. He'd want to get closer to his main timeline family, but he's in an awkward position as the non-son / real-son. Could be like a big brother to main timeline Trunks, which would be a touching. The personalities are way different as they are.
In terms of when the plot actually gets rolling, I think he'd probably follow Kaioshin's guidance the entire time, or at least to the very moment he knew he'd have some kind of shot to completely take out premature Majin Boo. FT's attitude would keep him from doing anything brash unless he knew damn well what the outcome would be. Say he's with the group in Babidi's ship taking on villains, he'd likely would have preferred taking on Dabura, and would have finished the job. He was at least that confident. You say SS2 FT and with that I'd say Dabura is demon salami. Wouldn't even be a contest - FT would try and take him out within 10 minutes, unlike Gohan trying to familiarize himself with a life and death battle while building up the advantage over time. Recall the Bojack Movie (just an example)? IIRC, FT was the only one in the entire main cast to take out one of the movie villains other than Gohan. Fisted - through the stomach. On the first encounter. Holy hell.
After that, he'd be in the same position as Kaioshin, I guess. He wouldn't have been able to stop the Majin Vegeta takeover unless he somehow would have seen threw the plan (if FT didn't fight Dabura and things played out like the show does). He'd be on the cautious side, and would have been with Gohan trying to stop Fat Boo's initial tankfest. He'd probably be the first one roasted, too, before Gohan or Kaioshin, considering the way FT acts. After that, I couldn't exactly pinpoint any major differences. Probably would have been killed off by Toriyama if FT was given a spot in this saga, otherwise he could have oversaw whatever was left with training the tikes at Kami's. Or brought along with Kaioshin to the Kaio realm since even if he was killed he would have been brought back to life with that early wish. Maybe. Wouldn't have lasted long after that - until being revived. Could even have been sucked up by Boo or been used for fusion. Now there's a visual.
In terms of when the plot actually gets rolling, I think he'd probably follow Kaioshin's guidance the entire time, or at least to the very moment he knew he'd have some kind of shot to completely take out premature Majin Boo. FT's attitude would keep him from doing anything brash unless he knew damn well what the outcome would be. Say he's with the group in Babidi's ship taking on villains, he'd likely would have preferred taking on Dabura, and would have finished the job. He was at least that confident. You say SS2 FT and with that I'd say Dabura is demon salami. Wouldn't even be a contest - FT would try and take him out within 10 minutes, unlike Gohan trying to familiarize himself with a life and death battle while building up the advantage over time. Recall the Bojack Movie (just an example)? IIRC, FT was the only one in the entire main cast to take out one of the movie villains other than Gohan. Fisted - through the stomach. On the first encounter. Holy hell.
After that, he'd be in the same position as Kaioshin, I guess. He wouldn't have been able to stop the Majin Vegeta takeover unless he somehow would have seen threw the plan (if FT didn't fight Dabura and things played out like the show does). He'd be on the cautious side, and would have been with Gohan trying to stop Fat Boo's initial tankfest. He'd probably be the first one roasted, too, before Gohan or Kaioshin, considering the way FT acts. After that, I couldn't exactly pinpoint any major differences. Probably would have been killed off by Toriyama if FT was given a spot in this saga, otherwise he could have oversaw whatever was left with training the tikes at Kami's. Or brought along with Kaioshin to the Kaio realm since even if he was killed he would have been brought back to life with that early wish. Maybe. Wouldn't have lasted long after that - until being revived. Could even have been sucked up by Boo or been used for fusion. Now there's a visual.
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I think Trunkhan would have killed off Buu faster then Gotenks did unless he fool around or if Buu escaped. If he does kill Buu then Mirai Trunks would return to his timeline, everyone would have been wish back and Goku would have stay dead. If GT did happen then no one would have stopped Pilaf from making his wish and would have taken over the Earth. I think Gohan or Vegeta would have put a end to Pilaf and no one would have gone to outer space to look for the Black Star Dragon Balls since no one knows how bad they are. Bebi would likely arrived to Earth and would have taken over everyone's bodies. I think Movie 13 could still happen and I think that they would have a harder time killing Hirudegarn though.
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Trunks is so cautious, he would destroy Babidi's Spaceship, before Kaioshin convinces anyone otherwise, causing Majin Buu to not revive at all, effectively saving the day.
Goku and Vegeta have their fight. Vegeta obviously loses. Goku goes back to the Afterlife and stays there. Gohan probably doesn't realize he should keep on training just in case. Vegeta may have a problem accepting Goku's superiority over him, which could be a problem in the future..
Goku and Vegeta have their fight. Vegeta obviously loses. Goku goes back to the Afterlife and stays there. Gohan probably doesn't realize he should keep on training just in case. Vegeta may have a problem accepting Goku's superiority over him, which could be a problem in the future..
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He'll definitely reach SSJ 2 and he'd likely be stronger than Adult Gohan since Vegeta will be on his ass about training.
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A Trunks and Gohan fusion sounds cool. A more mature looking (and acting,
) Gotenks.
Trunks would most likely be able to fight Boo as a Ssj2, unlike Gohan. This may inspire Gohan to grow a pair and actually find the power after seeing Trunks do it. Trunks would fight Boo and this would inspire Gohan to reach his full power. Gohan may end up nearly wiping out Boo like Vegeta did with his final attack with some sort of super Kamehameha ( Especially after seeing Trunks get his ass whooped ), but in the end he would be knocked out or maybe even killed with Trunks, but hopefully they are both taken to the Kaioshin realm where they are eventually taught the fusion dance by Goku so we can see a Gohan/Future Trunks fusion!
Trunks would most likely be able to fight Boo as a Ssj2, unlike Gohan. This may inspire Gohan to grow a pair and actually find the power after seeing Trunks do it. Trunks would fight Boo and this would inspire Gohan to reach his full power. Gohan may end up nearly wiping out Boo like Vegeta did with his final attack with some sort of super Kamehameha ( Especially after seeing Trunks get his ass whooped ), but in the end he would be knocked out or maybe even killed with Trunks, but hopefully they are both taken to the Kaioshin realm where they are eventually taught the fusion dance by Goku so we can see a Gohan/Future Trunks fusion!
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I can't see Trunks improving that much, actually. I think he'd just be fodder for Majin Boo.
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I agree that I don't see him reaching his father's level, but the OP stated he's Ssj2, which I believe he would and should be able to become after 7 years of training. His power should be roughly equal to Gohan's Ssj2 form that he showed at the tournament. He is half saiyan but he would still want to reach the level of power his father does, not to mention an 11 year old kid.
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I see him being weaker than Gohan, actually. Gohan had a huge gap on him in the Cell games and according to the Daizenshuu didn't become weaker over the years, just lost his ability to draw strength from his anger.dprez wrote:I agree that I don't see him reaching his father's level, but the OP stated he's Ssj2, which I believe he would and should be able to become after 7 years of training. His power should be roughly equal to Gohan's Ssj2 form that he showed at the tournament. He is half saiyan but he would still want to reach the level of power his father does, not to mention an 11 year old kid.
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I could see them as being equals though. Gohan did actually lose strength. The Daizenshuu is not the end all tell of Dragon Ball, especially in cases like this. He did nothing but study for 7 years. Anyone would get out of shape. Vegeta was not impressed with Gohan's Ssj form that he was using against Dabura, and declared he could end the fight if he wanted. Future Trunks is different. He would continue to train for not only his future, but for the timeline he is living in. He would want to become as powerful as his father, just like during the android/cell arcs. Sure their gap was big during the Cell games, but 7 years of Trunks training and Gohan studying, I can see Trunks catching up and rivaling Gohan's Boo saga power, if not surpassing it like Vegeta did.
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That isn't proof to me that Gohan got weaker. Vegeta just surpassed him.dprez wrote:I could see them as being equals though. Gohan did actually lose strength. The Daizenshuu is not the end all tell of Dragon Ball, especially in cases like this. He did nothing but study for 7 years. Anyone would get out of shape. Vegeta was not impressed with Gohan's Ssj form that he was using against Dabura, and declared he could end the fight if he wanted. Future Trunks is different. He would continue to train for not only his future, but for the timeline he is living in. He would want to become as powerful as his father, just like during the android/cell arcs. Sure their gap was big during the Cell games, but 7 years of Trunks training and Gohan studying, I can see Trunks catching up and rivaling Gohan's Boo saga power, if not surpassing it like Vegeta did.
And Trunks doesn't really seem like the kind of person to train to try and become as powerful as Vegeta, he trained in the Android/Cell arcs to help fight against the Androids/Cell, I don't think he ever mentioned doing it to try and be as strong as Vegeta.
On second thought, I could see him continue to train with Vegeta as a bonding sort of thing. Though they trained separately before the Cell games, and Trunks was pissed off at him letting Cell become Perfect, they did reconcile later. So I could see them training together through the seven year peace, I suppose.
And training together they should both get a fair bit stronger.
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I was also thinking that if Future Trunks was around with his younger self growing up, he would try to balance out the arrogance that Vegeta was giving him. Maybe Gotenks wouldn't be so dumb during the Boo fight and fight seriously, like Future Trunks would.
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I believe there is enough evidence from the manga to tell us that Gohan was indeed weaker during the early Boo arc than he was when he fought Cell. Vegeta not only surpassed him, but noticed this fact and actually stated it.
Chapter: 452 (DBZ 258), P1.1-4
Goku: “Gohan, it’s your turn next, but have you trained properly?”
Vegeta: “Unfortunately, it seems he got carried away in peace and didn’t do any significant training. Our powers are higher than his now…Though I suppose there’s no telling what would happen if he snapped and went into a frenzy… ”
Kaioshin: “S-so that’s why these 3 have such composure...In a pinch, they can put forth tremendous power, like Son Goku displayed momentarily…”
To help prove that Gohan indeed got weaker, Vegeta was only able to truly surpass Gohan's Cell games Ssj2 after he got the Majin boost.
Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P8.1-4, P9.4
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are about to fight
Goku: “I don’t wanna take any damage from you and have it become Majin Boo’s energy…So I’m gona end this quickly, at maximum power.”
Vegeta: “I’m looking forward to this…Show me the fruits of your training in the afterlife. *Goku transforms into Super Saiyan 2* Just as I’d expect. Your power is greater than Gohan’s was back then!”
*Vegeta transforms into a Super Saiyan 2 as well*
Goku: “This don’t look like it’s gonna end quickly…”
Ok, so from this we can tell that Vegeta needed the Majin Boost to equal Goku's power. Goku is stronger than Ssj2 cell games Gohan. Vegeta must have been around Gohan's cell game Ssj2 prior to his Majin-boost. If Gohan didn't lose any power, than how can Vegeta be stronger than Gohan from the start, and then state to Goku at least you're stronger than Gohan was back then.
Chapter: 452 (DBZ 258), P1.1-4
Goku: “Gohan, it’s your turn next, but have you trained properly?”
Vegeta: “Unfortunately, it seems he got carried away in peace and didn’t do any significant training. Our powers are higher than his now…Though I suppose there’s no telling what would happen if he snapped and went into a frenzy… ”
Kaioshin: “S-so that’s why these 3 have such composure...In a pinch, they can put forth tremendous power, like Son Goku displayed momentarily…”
To help prove that Gohan indeed got weaker, Vegeta was only able to truly surpass Gohan's Cell games Ssj2 after he got the Majin boost.
Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P8.1-4, P9.4
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are about to fight
Goku: “I don’t wanna take any damage from you and have it become Majin Boo’s energy…So I’m gona end this quickly, at maximum power.”
Vegeta: “I’m looking forward to this…Show me the fruits of your training in the afterlife. *Goku transforms into Super Saiyan 2* Just as I’d expect. Your power is greater than Gohan’s was back then!”
*Vegeta transforms into a Super Saiyan 2 as well*
Goku: “This don’t look like it’s gonna end quickly…”
Ok, so from this we can tell that Vegeta needed the Majin Boost to equal Goku's power. Goku is stronger than Ssj2 cell games Gohan. Vegeta must have been around Gohan's cell game Ssj2 prior to his Majin-boost. If Gohan didn't lose any power, than how can Vegeta be stronger than Gohan from the start, and then state to Goku at least you're stronger than Gohan was back then.
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Because the enraged SS2 Cell Games Gohan was stronger than present SS2 Gohan.
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That's where things get iffy. There is no evidence to suggest that Gohan's Ssj2 power changes when he is angry or not, only that he requires anger to reach the form itself. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that with anger or not, Gohan's base, Ssj, and Ssj2 form are all weaker than Vegeta's respective forms during the Boo arc. Therefor Gohan got weaker and Vegeta got stronger.
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Except his power always shot up as a kid when he got angry, so why wouldn't he as a SS2?dprez wrote:That's where things get iffy. There is no evidence to suggest that Gohan's Ssj2 power changes when he is angry or not, only that he requires anger to reach the form itself. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that with anger or not, Gohan's base, Ssj, and Ssj2 form are all weaker than Vegeta's respective forms during the Boo arc. Therefor Gohan got weaker and Vegeta got stronger.
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