Saiyans have super memory?

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Saiyans have super memory?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:21 pm

They can remember the mission they got when they were babies, and Broli could remember that Goku's cry was annoying him. What do you think?
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Re: Saiyans have super memory?

Post by Fox666 » Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:29 pm

The writers of movie 8 seems to think that way. But I am quite not sure, Saiyans have a wild nature, perhaps Raditz didn't meant Goku "forget his mission" in a literal sense.

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Post by DarkPrince_92 » Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:41 pm

I feel like Broly has mental issues which is why he keeps seeing his time as a baby. You don't see him flashing back to when he learned his first Ki attack right?
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:37 am

Raditz expected Gokuu to remember the mission that he'd originally been assigned as a baby, and Broli remembers and is visibly enraged by Gokuu's face due to his memory of him crying when they slept beside each other as babies. So yes, they do appear to have "super memory".
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Post by hleV » Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:14 am

Fox666 wrote:perhaps Raditz didn't meant Goku "forget his mission" in a literal sense.
This.

I think Goku wasn't supposed to "remember that he has to destroy everyone around" but it was his nature that would make him do that. Goku hitting his head as a baby made him "lose that nature" rather than "forget his mission". Unless his spacepod was supposed to tell him his mission.

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Post by Michsi » Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:54 am

Personally, I always assumed a saiyan baby sent on a mission has all the necessary information put in his head via some machine or something. The way Radditz immediately assumed that hit his head led me to believe that it was a common occurence with failed missions, that severe head trauma causes them to lose all that information. So no, I do not think saiyans have super memory.

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Post by Saiga » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:13 am

Michsi wrote:Personally, I always assumed a saiyan baby sent on a mission has all the necessary information put in his head via some machine or something. The way Radditz immediately assumed that hit his head led me to believe that it was a common occurence with failed missions, that severe head trauma causes them to lose all that information. So no, I do not think saiyans have super memory.
Same, I always thought they programmed the little buggers somehow.
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Post by Eight-Star Dragon » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:39 am

I don't really think they have super memory, it feels like something Toriyama would have mentioned. Rather, I think it's just him overestimating the span of memories, which seems to happen often in fiction.

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Post by soulnova » Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:42 pm

I believe they are capable of remembering some basic stuff. I mean, Raditz also expected him to remember his name. HOW?

Maybe that's the reason Gohan was such a good student when he was FOUR? He could have got that Saiyan trait to learn information easily from an early age.

In any case, the filler episode with the space pod somehow clarifies that the ship's computer was giving orders to Goku/Gohan. I did like that one explanation.
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Post by Blackstripe » Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:16 am

I did like the explanation that the space pod they're sent in "Indoctrinates" them. Saiyans have been shown to be capable of reforming and becoming less destructive with time and care, so I don't think their natures alone would lead them to wipe out an entire planet.

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Post by Cipher » Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:05 am

Toriyama thinks Saiyans might have super memories, but he can't quite remember.

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Post by Z-Dragon » Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:30 am

Saiyans have super memory? No, Saiyans rather have to be programmed by the space pod's computer as babies to tell them what to do until they complete their missions than they "remember" the mission they got as babies.

I don't believe that Broly remembers Goku's cry ever since he was a baby unless he either has his trauma with Goku's cry or has a problem with sleeping due to his "nightmare" dream about Goku's cry every night since he was a baby which is why he hated Goku for that silly reason.

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:27 am

Z-Dragon wrote:I don't believe that Broly remembers Goku's cry ever since he was a baby unless he either has his trauma with Goku's cry or has a problem with sleeping due to his "nightmare" dream about Goku's cry every night since he was a baby which is why he hated Goku for that silly reason.
Well, in DBZ Movie #10, he awakens with rage from the ice he was entrapped in from Goten's cry, which apparently sounds similar to Gokuu's cry because the two...look similar? Well, in the original Japanese, Gokuu and Goten are both voiced by Masako Nozawa.

And Broli clearly recognizes Gokuu, in both face and name, and is visibly enraged by him. But it's not manga canon, so whatever.
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Post by Fox666 » Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:17 am

Z-Dragon wrote:which is why he hated Goku for that silly reason.
Worst villain reason ever.

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Post by DarkPrince_92 » Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:26 pm

This is seriously still a discussion? Saiyan's destroying everything as they land somewhere, is pretty straightforward....and their ONLY JOB; programmed in their skull walls. They can't forget it even if they tried. Has nothing to do with ridiculous memory. Broly was just traumatized as a baby, while his brain was still fresh, so Goku's annoying ass was burned in his brain. Nothing more.
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Post by Gaffer Tape » Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:52 pm

Z-Dragon wrote:Saiyans have super memory? No, Saiyans rather have to be programmed by the space pod's computer as babies to tell them what to do until they complete their missions than they "remember" the mission they got as babies.
Not sure how that doesn't imply a super form of brainpower. Have you ever tried to program a baby to do any single thing you want it to do? It ain't easy. I can guarantee you that if I have a child, I can stick it in a spacepod for a year, with nothing but a recorded message telling it exactly how to destroy a planet, and when I open the pod up, all I'll get for my trouble is poop on the walls.
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Post by Hitiro » Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:16 pm

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Z-Dragon wrote:Saiyans have super memory? No, Saiyans rather have to be programmed by the space pod's computer as babies to tell them what to do until they complete their missions than they "remember" the mission they got as babies.
Not sure how that doesn't imply a super form of brainpower. Have you ever tried to program a baby to do any single thing you want it to do? It ain't easy. I can guarantee you that if I have a child, I can stick it in a spacepod for a year, with nothing but a recorded message telling it exactly how to destroy a planet, and when I open the pod up, all I'll get for my trouble is poop on the walls.
I think you underestimate how quickly children learn in infancy. The mind of a child is an impressionable thing, as babies we absorb information at an extraordinary rate which is why we can learn words and their meaning by merely observation. We have no idea how long the original Saiyan pods would take to reach earth, nor do we know the distance between planet Vegeta and Earth, it could have taken a couple of months for Goku to arrive. During that time all sorts of techniques could have been used to program Goku into the child he was before his bump to the head, you're forgetting that the Saiyan's had technology far outstripping Earths at the time.

I believe Dr. Brief backwards engineered Goku's original saiyan spaceship to build the one Goku used to get to Namek so that just shows that Saiyan technology, even though it was 20 years old, still far outstripped Earths. Going by this we don't know what kind of advance technology they used to influence Goku on his journey, even using such things as subliminal messaging and brainwashing which we have been able to use for many years would be very effective on an infant. And at the end of the day it all comes back to Goku being a baby when he was sent to Earth, he would have been very impressionable on his journey as he wouldn't have any other things to peak his interest while he was on his way there. So even the simplest of things like repeating his mission over and over again can be enough, even without techniques to imprint it on his mind.

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Post by Gaffer Tape » Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:39 pm

Nope. Sorry. Not buying it. I think you're extremely overestimating an infant's cognitive abilities. Yes, the ability to learn is huge for a child, much more so than for adults. But there is no way for an infant to understand a concept as complex as, "Subjugate a planet's inhabitants." You may as well say, "With a child's sponge-like ability to learn, you can keep a baby in a room with tapes teaching Calculus, and he'll be a math wiz in no time." The brain just hasn't developed enough yet, and its absorption capabilities are far too occupied with learning basic human functions like mobility, communication, and how to satisfy needs.

So there are only three possiblities: 1. Toriyama's writing was misleading or inconsistent, and the only "mission" was "see full moon" followed by "smash." 2. Saiya-jin baby brains are more advanced than real Earthling baby brains allowing them to understand concepts, motivations, and implementations for destroying a world but doing so in a way that leaves it habitable for sale, which would mean they do have "super brains" compared to ours. 3. Or, like you have suggested, Saiya-jin technology alters their brains to allow them to learn such concepts, which means that it's not an inherent ability, and no amount of "sponge-like" ability is enough to teach them that without mutating them in some way beyond their normal capabilities.
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:57 pm

Fox666 wrote:
Z-Dragon wrote:which is why he hated Goku for that silly reason.
Worst villain reason ever.
Broli's insane. Of course he's going to have a grudge against someone for a stupid reason.

Also, he's a movie villain.
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Post by DoomieDoomie911 » Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:32 pm

Saiyans get the information from the space pods. They don't have a "super memory" or anything.
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