The general American fanbase really annoys me.

[MarCas92]

First, they will believe ANYTHING that's on YouTube! I can't tell you guys how many times I've seen videos of video game animation and they call it "AF" or "Battle of the Gods". It's especially bad with "Dragon Ball Heroes". It frustrates me to no end. And it's even worse in Mexico. I always try to redirect people to this site, but lets face it, there will always be idiots and trolls who post these fake announcements.

Also, their entire knowledge of the franchise revolves around the Funi dub. To them that's all that matters. They aren't even open minded enough to read the manga or even watch the Japanese dub. They just dismiss it with "The voices sound gay" or "the music sucks". It's sad because they like a version of the show that isn't at all what Dragon Ball Z is supposed to be and they won't give the real show a chance.

Ok rant over

[TheBlackPaladin]

There's a difference between idiocy and being uninformed.

A lot of people simply don't know the info that we do, and that's not a crime. In many cases it isn't even their fault. For example, I lost count of how many people I talked to on YouTube who were shocked to find out that there was an uncut version of "Dragon Ball Kai." I don't blame them at all for being shocked, because quite frankly, I think FUNimation dropped the ball on the marketing front and did not do a good enough job of informing people that they sell an uncut version. None of their commercials for Kai contained the word "uncut," (even though countless commercials of theirs for DBZ did, which only helped fuel the misconception that DBZ was uncut and Kai was not), and the only reason somebody would have to think that the home video release of Kai was uncut would be from a small sticker that was typically stuck on the cover.

No need to get mad over these things, in my opinion. A lot of fans of "Dragon Ball," are just casual fans rather than die-hard fans. If I feel that people are misinformed, I politely explain how they are and then move on.

[soduh2]

Also, their entire knowledge of the franchise revolves around the Funi dub. To them that's all that matters. They aren't even open minded enough to read the manga or even watch the Japanese dub. They just dismiss it with "The voices sound gay" or "the music sucks". It's sad because they like a version of the show that isn't at all what Dragon Ball Z is supposed to be and they won't give the real show a chance.

Ok rant over

I read the manga, but I really don't like a lot of the Japanese voices. I like the funimation music (Bruce falconer) more than the original as well, especially the themes for Cell and Buu.

[Pantalones]

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with preferring a certain dub's music/voices to another as long as you're not insulting about it. I prefer the Faulconer soundtrack to the original Japanese one, but I also prefer the Japanese Kai soundtrack (before the Yamamoto plagiarism scandal changed it) to the Kikuchi soundtrack, and I actually like the Kikuchi music for the original Dragonball--it just seems "off" for Z, that's all. There's also a handful of voices in the Japanese version that bug me (mainly the Slightly-Different-Pitched Goku Clone Family, but I also can't stand how they gave Krillin a permanent "kid" voice just because he's short), though I don't have any problem with most of them. I actually like the manga more than the anime overall, though I'm unfortunately missing most of the volumes (I own the entire Buu saga aside from one volume that I somehow missed--the one where Goku goes SSj3 and fights Fat Buu, if I'm remembering right--but that's all.)

I'd never say the Japanese music "sucks" or the voices are "gay," though (...heck, I wouldn't say that anything is "gay." Except... actual gay people, or gay-centric shows/movies. I don't ever use "gay" as an insult.)

Of course, if you're looking at comments on Youtube you'll find a lot of people who are really uninformed and you will always find the dumbest and most obnoxious Internet-people you will ever see outside of 4chan, so... yeah, probably not the best way to judge an entire segment of the fanbase. I know I've never bumped into someone who thought AF or Hoshi or Super Saiyan 5 or whatever was real offline, even though most of the people I've met who like DBZ aren't really "hardcore fans" who know everything about the series; I've met people who had some knowledge of DBZ but who didn't even know who Broly was, for example (heck, I've even met some people who mostly know DBZ through DBZ Abridged and have never seen much of the original series at all!) The Youtube commenter segment of the American DBZ fanbase is definitely not the whole thing.

[Sin]

First, they will believe ANYTHING that's on YouTube! I can't tell you guys how many times I've seen videos of video game animation and they call it "AF" or "Battle of the Gods". It's especially bad with "Dragon Ball Heroes". It frustrates me to no end. And it's even worse in Mexico. I always try to redirect people to this site, but lets face it, there will always be idiots and trolls who post these fake announcements.

Also, their entire knowledge of the franchise revolves around the Funi dub. To them that's all that matters. They aren't even open minded enough to read the manga or even watch the Japanese dub. They just dismiss it with "The voices sound gay" or "the music sucks". It's sad because they like a version of the show that isn't at all what Dragon Ball Z is supposed to be and they won't give the real show a chance.

Ok rant over

I agree, I play DBZ games on a gaming platform called BYOND and just the other day some guy was arguing with me over what Super Saiyan God looks like, trying to tell me it is the gold version of SSJ4 that's been popping up all over.

However I've got to say my only experience of DBZ really is the Ocean/Westwood dub/some Funi dub but I appreciated the show enough to want to learn more about it from credible people (you guys). I don't think you can generalize Dragon Ball fans really, there is just a lot of genuine looking crap out there on top of the fact that many people might like DBZ simply for the nostalgia.

[dbboxkaifan]

People still have Kikuchi Vs. Yamamoto Vs. Faulconer discussion even after all these years? Oh good god, there's no point in having such a talk about.

All three (Faulconer is a team of four composers, anyway) produced great music in their different aspects for the series, it's down to each one to decide which music they prefer while watching the show.

[ABED]

People still have Kikuchi Vs. Yamamoto Vs. Faulconer discussion even after all these years? Oh good god, there's no point in having such a talk about.

All three (Faulconer is a team of four composers, anyway) produced great music in their different aspects for the series, it's down to each one to decide which music they prefer while watching the show.

Is there any point in discussing anything Dragon Ball related beyond having an interest in the show and wanting to talk about it with other people?

My view on the music is regardless of what you like, Faulconer's music doesn't work with the series. It misses the tone completely. It's fine to like the music but it doesn't fit. I love AC/DC, but don't think it belongs on every show in every scene.

[Ketchup_Revenge]

I don't know if I would limit it to American because I've seen plenty of British fans (on another Forum) that you just want to punch in the face through your computer screen. I was recently on another Forum where they discount Daizenshuu levels simply because they don't agree with them.

[Choujin Daizenshuu]

I find it funny how some people can argue that they like the American music on one anime because it fits much better than the original Japanese score only to have these same people lose their shit when another anime that they like gets re-scored to suit American tastes.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I'm inclined to agree. Not all american fans are a little on the misinformed side but they can certainly be annoying.

[dbboxkaifan]

Abed, Faulconer's soundtrack doesn't fit most of the time with DBZ because they were constantly playing music during every single episode, there are some rare moments which had silent but it was just for less than a minute.

I prefer Kikuchi and Yamamoto than Faulconer, but admittedly FP's music is quite good too.

By the way, when I read "Abed" I think of it as "Aybed" because of how Pierce pronounces it, normally it's Ah-bed.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Faulconer composed for DBZ too, it just mindlessly never stopped. Faulconer has a bunch of great stuff and yes at times it didn't fit but I still to this day prefer Faulcone's stuff to Kikuchi's because it just "sounds" better.

[Hellspawn28]

It been like this for years. Most American fans of popular Japanese franchises tend to come off super annoying like Naruto, Bleach and Godzilla for example. I personally would not listen to Youtube comments since Youtube is a total hellhole next to Yahoo Answers in my opinion.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

I know. I even tell other people on that dumb site that its game footage they are being mistaken for and they don't listen. Your just talking to a brick wall

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Faulconer composed for DBZ too, it just mindlessly never stopped. Faulconer has a bunch of great stuff and yes at times it didn't fit but I still to this day prefer Faulcone's stuff to Kikuchi's because it just "sounds" better.

Faulconer's soundtrack during the Android saga was totally perfect. Especially as they introduced #19 and #20. You couldn't pick better music for those parts.

[dbboxkaifan]

Faulconer composed for DBZ too, it just mindlessly never stopped. Faulconer has a bunch of great stuff and yes at times it didn't fit but I still to this day prefer Faulcone's stuff to Kikuchi's because it just "sounds" better.

This comes a bit odd, because I remember reading comments from "ThePrinceOfSaiyajins" (it's linked on your signature) which defended Dragon Box Z over the DBZ Levels picture quality and Kikuchi than Faulconer? I don't think I'm confusing with someone else 'cause the nickname's catchy. Perhaps he changed his opinion since then.

[ABED]

I've come to enjoy some of the Faulconer tracks in isolation but not as the score to the show. There are quite a few that I just despise like the evil clown music and Bulma's theme which combined with the voice make her sound like an airhead. She's vain and often bitchy but she's not dumb by any stretch. I've found that many of those that like the score as the score for the series tend not to understand the tone of the show. Yeah there's plenty of fighting, but there's plenty of humor and a whimsical quality the Faulconer just never got.

I don't think we should limit this to American fans. There are just some annoying fans period, and a lot of them seem to find their way to Youtube comment sections. The worst thing for any forum or comment section is the lack of a moderator to keep things civil. I'll admit to having been one of them at various times in my life, but I believe I've grown up, and can now have a constructive dialog with someone where there's room for disagreement.

[samuraix123]

First, they will believe ANYTHING that's on YouTube! I can't tell you guys how many times I've seen videos of video game animation and they call it "AF" or "Battle of the Gods". It's especially bad with "Dragon Ball Heroes". It frustrates me to no end. And it's even worse in Mexico. I always try to redirect people to this site, but lets face it, there will always be idiots and trolls who post these fake announcements.

Also, their entire knowledge of the franchise revolves around the Funi dub. To them that's all that matters. They aren't even open minded enough to read the manga or even watch the Japanese dub. They just dismiss it with "The voices sound gay" or "the music sucks". It's sad because they like a version of the show that isn't at all what Dragon Ball Z is supposed to be and they won't give the real show a chance.

Ok rant over

I get annoyed at people who think because I want to watch something in my native language or I like the English dub that I am not a true fan.
I would love to read the Manga? but I'm too broke to buy them. I love the Japanese dub! I love the ocean dub! I don't think Funimation's musical score is better than the Japanese? Heck I've even gotten to the point of saying the original names of the characters the Japanese way. You're hanging around Youtube too much bro. people on Youtube would argue if a fly shit on the wall. there are american fans who love and respect the Japanese dub just as much if not more than the american dub. Also something that I can't quite grasp is, so many people talk so much crap on the Funimation dub but don't stop and think about ''What if everyone ended up with the big green dub instead?''

Edit - I'd also like to add one little extra thing I hate about the Dragonball community. and that's how were so split up! Why does it haft to be ''I love the Japanese version'' ''No! The Japanese version sucks! the English is better'' Why can't we all come together as ''Fans'' and say ''You know what? were fans of the Dragonball Universe and that's that.''

[MCDaveG]

I hate dumb people, over-the-top geeks and fanatics, but I know lots of great people around the planet, no matter what nation and I'm happy for that.
If you will be in contact with people from various countries, you'll see that modern man has mostly the same negative traits all around the globe in civilization based or in heavy contact with Europe (again, I consider USA as European culture in my world view, patriotism aside).

[ABED]

I'm well aware that we could've gotten a worse dub, but that doesn't mean I have no right to complain about the terrible quality of the dub we got. I could deal with the green voice talent, I could even deal with the score, but what I disliked was the casting of people completely wrong for the role like Linda Young (it baffles me that anyone thought she was appropriate for Freeza) and the scripts (apparently there are fans of even the most egregious dialog). Both of those things were well within their control. We can argue all day about what made more fiscal sense regarding the music, but the dialog is indesputably awful. Their attempts to hip things up gave us things like "mondo cool" which was at least 10 years out of date at the time. The fact that there is anyone out there that defends those scripts boggles my mind.

Dragon Ball seems to connect no matter what any company does with it, and there were bound to be fans of whatever tactics were pulled.