South Kaioshin never tried to pull the Z sword?

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Can someone provide me the quote where it's implied that South Kaioshin never tried to pull the Z sword. Because the Pure Boo supporters bring up some good points such as :
"The fact that it's heavy for everybody is an argument to it being inaccessible to the kais. Neither Kibito or Shin can pick it up but Gohan and Goku can though they too admit it's really heavy. Also I don't buy the theory that South Kai just never tried to pull it since it was said to be able to beat Buu which was who they were fighting."

Yes they are easily disproved when it comes to character statements. But when it comes to the Z sword, Evil Boo supporters just seem to be easily cornered and they have to come up with these theoretical assumptions.
We have to conclude that South Kaioshin never tried to pull it so it fits that viewpoint of Evil Boo being stronger.

It just seems like one massive fuck up plot hole.

[RandomGuy96]

No, we really don't. Super Buu is stated to be stronger, and Kaioshin ki is stated to have weird effects on Buu. Simple. SK doesn't need to be that strong.

I think he is though, simply because A. Mr. Buu is strong and B. anime filler has him strong. The quote simply states that "numerous" Kaioshin tried to pull it. If it was all, Kibito would've said all.

Maybe SK didn't believe the legend. Maybe he got killed before he had the chance. Maybe he picked it up, noticed it didn't do anything, and dropped it. Tons of things could've happened, we never saw it.

[some_weirdGuy]

It's basically a plot hole.
I like to think it's enchanted so no kai can ever lift it, it's a rather elegant solution. ((and i prefer it over the 'gohan is simply the chosen one' alternative))

I mean, in terms of the guy who sealed old kai, it's a pretty foolproof way of ensuring he stays trapped:
> First up, it's so heavy that only a kaioshin would reasonably be able to lift it (after all, mortals are weak, right?)
> Next up, enchant it so no kai can ever wield(or lift) it. Maybe the same magic that seals elder kai in prevents other kais from picking it up.
> finally, as a devious twist, just incase some mortal somehow manages to become godly powerful: leave it on the world of the kaioshin, a place where no mortal is allowed to tread.
((that way, it's the kais own arrogance that keeps any potential rescue away *mwahahaha and such*. They'll try and try to pull it out to no avail because of the enchantment, and prevent any mortals from laying hand on it because of their stupid 'no mortals allowed' rules, and vanity over thinking no mortal could be 'stronger' than them))

It was a mere coincidence that the variables lines up properly.
- East kaishin was inexperienced, and not as strong as his peers were
- Gohan (and co) were unimaginably powerful by mortal standards, enough to surprise and impress Shin
- the other kaioshin were dead, meaning no one was there to overrule him getting lax with the rules (about no mortals being allowed)

Therefore, a one in a trillion coincidence happened, a kaishin went against their sacred rules and allowed a mortal to go to the kaioshin world, and then also let him try and lift the sword, AND the mortal had enough strength to actually pull it from the stone. Finally, to top it all off, they managed to break the sword and free elder kaioshin entirely by accident. circumstances lined up just right and so the elder kai was freed despite all previous attempts (and millions of years time) resulting in failure.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Maybe he picked it up, noticed it didn't do anything, and dropped it.

The Z-Sword was supposed to be the most powerful weapon ever, it wasn't supposed to grand any power. So, this theory can't work.

It's basically a plot hole.
I like to think it's enchanted so no kai can ever lift it, it's a rather elegant solution. ((and i prefer it over the 'gohan is simply the chosen one' alternative))

I mean, in terms of the guy who sealed old kai, it's a pretty foolproof way of ensuring he stays trapped:
> First up, it's so heavy that only a kaioshin would reasonably be able to lift it (after all, mortals are weak, right?)
> Next up, enchant it so no kai can ever wield(or lift) it. Maybe the same magic that seals elder kai in prevents other kais from picking it up.
> finally, as a devious twist, just incase some mortal somehow manages to become godly powerful: leave it on the world of the kaioshin, a place where no mortal is allowed to tread.
((that way, it's the kais own arrogance that keeps any potential rescue away *mwahahaha and such*. They'll try and try to pull it out to no avail because of the enchantment, and prevent any mortals from laying hand on it because of their stupid 'no mortals allowed' rules, and vanity over thinking no mortal could be 'stronger' than them))

It was a mere coincidence that the variables lines up properly.
- East kaishin was inexperienced, and not as strong as his peers were
- Gohan (and co) were unimaginably powerful by mortal standards, enough to surprise and impress Shin
- the other kaioshin were dead, meaning no one was there to overrule him getting lax with the rules (about no mortals being allowed)

Therefore, a one in a trillion coincidence happened, a kaishin went against their sacred rules and allowed a mortal to go to the kaioshin world, and then also let him try and lift the sword, AND the mortal had enough strength to actually pull it from the stone. Finally, to top it all off, they managed to break the sword and free elder kaioshin entirely by accident. circumstances lined up just right and so the elder kai was freed despite all previous attempts (and millions of years time) resulting in failure.

That's exactly how I see it as well.

[Saiga]

It's only a plothole if you think the South Kaioshin-Boo stuff means Boo has to be stronger than Gohan, which isn't necessarily true.

[hleV]

Nothing says he did, nothing says he didn't. So to just make everything work, it's easier to assume he didn't.

[TheMightyOzaru]

There's no quote that states he specifically tried so you can have him at any level you want and still make sense.

[Zephyr]

Maybe whoever sealed Old Kaioshin up, and put the sword in the stone, in the first place put some spell on it, that all but prevented anyone with Kaioshin ki from being able to tamper with it.

[TheMightyOzaru]

That seems a little out there for a manga made by Toriyama . It's, however, not absurd and could work.

[Super Vegetto]

Maybe whoever sealed Old Kaioshin up, and put the sword in the stone, in the first place put some spell on it, that all but prevented anyone with Kaioshin ki from being able to tamper with it.

That could work, but it was power related. Gohan neaded more power "SSJ form" to pull out Z sword trough some struggling.

[Zephyr]

It would take require a non-Kaioshin to have a certain level of strength to pull out, sure.

But a Kaioshin, no matter how powerful, would be simply unable to make it budge, due to the anti-Kaioshin spell put on it by the one who sealed Old Kaioshin in the sword in the first place, according to my theory.

[Stark the lone wolf]

It would take require a non-Kaioshin to have a certain level of strength to pull out, sure.

But a Kaioshin, no matter how powerful, would be simply unable to make it budge, due to the anti-Kaioshin spell put on it by the one who sealed Old Kaioshin in the sword in the first place, according to my theory.

There is only a contradiction, elder kai was expecting to be released by another supreme kai which means there was no anti kaioshin spell

[Zephyr]

It would take require a non-Kaioshin to have a certain level of strength to pull out, sure.

But a Kaioshin, no matter how powerful, would be simply unable to make it budge, due to the anti-Kaioshin spell put on it by the one who sealed Old Kaioshin in the sword in the first place, according to my theory.

There is only a contradiction, elder kai was expecting to be released by another supreme kai which means there was no anti kaioshin spell

How would he know what the guy who sealed him up was going to do after he was sealed up?