Fusions in DBZ and GT

[Darkron2151]

This is a thread for the discussion of real fusions and hypothetical fusions in both DBZ and GT. By hypothetical, I mean ones like "Gohan+Uub" or "Gohan+Goku", or heck, even "Yamcha and Tenshinhan" and etc.
But first...
WHY THE HECK WAS GOTENKS NOT IN GT!? F@#$$#%^$^%#$^!

The question that will be more of the main focus of this thread is where would they be in terms of battle power in relations to other characters/villians? I also mean hypothetical forms as well. Example, Gogeta in DBZ if he were a Super Saiyan 3.

I'll start this off with Gotenks in GT. From what we know as far as....*sigh*....power scaling in GT , Goten and Trunks are relatively stronger than their kid selves in DBZ, despite not training too often. Plus, it was implied that Gotenks wouldn't do anything to an Oozaru Bebi Vegeta, and it would take a Fully-Powered Super Saiyan 4 to do it. But he still could've been relatively stronger than the others. So where would place this guy : http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZROIN6TpBy0/hqdefault.jpg
and any of the others?

[Hitiro]

SSJ3 Gotenks would be under SSJ Goku but above base Goku. As far as it is, sort of explained, Base Goku is above his SSJ2 Z era battle power and encroaching on his Z era SSJ3 battle power. As he had no problem fighting with enemies who he stated were stronger than Majin Boo in his base form. He also handles a stronger Freeza and stronger Super Perfect Cell in his base form.

[Darkron2151]

SSJ3 Gotenks would be under SSJ Goku but above base Goku. As far as it is, sort of explained, Base Goku is above his SSJ2 Z era battle power and encroaching on his Z era SSJ3 battle power. As he had no problem fighting with enemies who he stated were stronger than Majin Boo in his base form. He also handles a stronger Freeza and stronger Super Perfect Cell in his base form.

I agree, and here's why:
Depending on how you view it, Super Saiyan Gotenks is implied to be stronger than most Super Saiyan 3 Goku in the Buu arc. Let's say:

• Buu Saga Goku: .8
  Super Saiyan: 40
  Super Saiyan 3: 320
  
  Buu Saga Gotenks: 8
  Super Saiyan: 400
  Super Saiyan 3: 3,200

Let's just say that Gotenks doubled his power for GT, and like you said, Goku is between his DBZ SSJ2 and SSJ3 self:

• GT Goku: 200
  Super Saiyan: 10,000
  Super Saiyan 2: 20,000
  Super Saiyan 3: 80,000
  
  GT Gotenks: 16
  Super Saiyan 3: 6,400

[sekzee]

According to your calculations, SSJ Gotenks is also around 10x stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

Goku: 0.8
SSJ Goku: 40
SSJ2 Goku: 80
SSJ3 Goku: 320

Yuckies!

[Darkron2151]

According to your calculations, SSJ Gotenks is also around 10x stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

Goku: 0.8
SSJ Goku: 40
SSJ2 Goku: 80
SSJ3 Goku: 320

Yuckies!

In rich respect, I more view him as a Super Saiyan 3 being 10x Super Saiyan 3 Goku. Fixed
(You could say I was going through a phase)

[Hitiro]

In rich respect, I more view him as a Super Saiyan 3 being 10x Super Saiyan 3 Goku. Fixed
(You could say I was going through a phase)

If he was 10x stronger than SSJ3 Goku and now Goten and Trunks were 2x stronger in GT that would put GT SSJ3 Gotenks at 40x Z-Era SSJ3 Goku. Which would mean GT SSJ Goku would be around about GT SSJ3 Gotenks' level, which is what I was saying earlier, lol. Some people like to believe base Goku is about Z-Era SSJ3 Goku or a bit stronger in GT. If that is the case then GT SSJ3 Gotenks is going to be under GT SSJ Goku for sure.

[Darkron2151]

If he was 10x stronger than SSJ3 Goku and now Goten and Trunks were 2x stronger in GT that would put GT SSJ3 Gotenks at 40x Z-Era SSJ3 Goku. Which would mean GT SSJ Goku would be around about GT SSJ3 Gotenks' level, which is what I was saying earlier, lol. Some people like to believe base Goku is about Z-Era SSJ3 Goku or a bit stronger in GT. If that is the case then GT SSJ3 Gotenks is going to be under GT SSJ Goku for sure.

64% of Super Saiyan Goku to be exact. And that's only if Trunks and Goten doubled their power during that 15 years since Buu, which would be a stretch considering they don't train. but hey, it's GT.

But here's a question. How strong would a hypothetical Tencha (Yamcha+Tenshinhan Fusion) be in the Buu saga? I have him not even competing with Base Goku during Buu saga:

Tenshinhan: 1,925,000
Yamcha: 900,000

Tencha: 28,250,000

Goku: 80,000,000

Maybe with another Haxed Kikoho, he could pull it off, if Goku doesn't go Super Saiyan or something.

[Xeogran]

There is no reason for Gotenks not being in GT, Goku was just afraid of someone stealing the spotlight from his newest transformation. I mean, Goku could have just let them fuse and turn SSJ3 atleast in order to give him way bigger energy boost than Goten and Trunks seperately.

[Darkron2151]

There is no reason for Gotenks not being in GT, Goku was just afraid of someone stealing the spotlight from his newest transformation. I mean, Goku could have just let them fuse and turn SSJ3 atleast in order to give him way bigger energy boost than Goten and Trunks seperately.

It sorta went down like this:

Goten: "Hey, Trunks. How about some fusion?"
Trunks: "Yeah, let's do it."
Goku: "No. It won't work. You'll only succeed in getting us killed. Even if you two fuse and we attack him as a group, he'd still defeat us. We wouldn't have a slim chance."
Goten: "Then what do we do?"
Goku: "Our only chance is a fully powered Super Saiyan 4. So I need you all to give me your energy."
Trunks: "But wait. If we fuse first, we can give you more ener-"
Goku: "Quit using logic in this situation and GIVE ME YOUR ENERGY!!!!"

Something along those lines.

[Kaboom]

To be fair, with how Gotenks has acted in the past, it's very likely he'd go 'AW YEAH, GOTENKS UP IN THIS BITCH, BRING IT ON BABY' and immediately fly off to try to fight.

[Darkron2151]

To be fair, with how Gotenks has acted in the past, it's very likely he'd go 'AW YEAH, GOTENKS UP IN THIS BITCH, BRING IT ON BABY' and immediately fly off to try to fight.

Even though Goten and Trunks already knew how powerful Oozaru Bebi Vegeta was, Gotenks would still think he'd have a chance against Bebi because his ego is probably stronger than his Super Saiyan 3 (That, and he did the same thing with Buu).

[Darkron2151]

Did a few changes with Fusion, so that now I have the boost stronger than the standard 50x multiplier. So here's what I got:

Fusion Dance: 75(A)

Goku (Buu Saga): .9
Super Saiyan: 45
Super Saiyan 3: 360

Goten (Buu Saga): .48
Super Saiyan: 24

Gotenks (Buu Saga): 36
Super Saiyan: 1,800
Super Saiyan 3: 14,400

Then there's GT, where Gotenks would likely be double his Buu Saga self.

Goku (GT): 360
Super Saiyan: 18,000
Super Saiyan 3: 144,000

Gotenks: 72
Super Saiyan 3: 28,800

So I now have GT Gotenks stronger than Super Saiyan Goku, but not by much. Still garbage against Bebi.