TKA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:13 am And I'm saying you're wrong because this Vegeta is even less obsessed with surpassing Goku than his previous self. This Vegeta isn't the race realist, classist fuck he used to be. The rivalry is friendly. If he surpasses Goku now, he's even more likely to probably just go off golfing with Trunks. The Vegeta of the original story has a single-minded drive to prove his saiyan eugenics belief system correct by being stronger than Goku, and when he does become stronger than Goku, all he does is bask in his strength. This Vegeta's rivalry with Goku is friendly. This is the character growth he's achieved invented some crazy Vegeta in your head, dawg.
Instead of saying I don’t understand the character why don’t you use examples from Super (how the character actually is NOW to prove your point) . Again all your examples were from Z before his character arc ended.
Do you have an example in Super where Vegeta thought he was the strongest he could be and thus remained stagnant until Goku surpassed him again. When has Vegeta stopped training in Super and just basked in his power? Again the ONLY time he stopped training was when Bra was born and that had nothing to do with being satisfied with where he was. Even in this arc after training with Beerus he goes right to training again.
It is you who don’t understand the character. I never said Vegeta was perfect. I acknowledged his arrogance and over confidence. But you also seem to think he hasn’t grown at all as a fighter from who he was in Z or that Goku didn’t rub off on him at all.
Saying he would feel empty if he ever truly surpassed Goku (which again he never has truly done for long enough for it to matter) does not mean I think Vegeta is obsessed in a negative way with surpassing Goku and hates him like he did in Z. Obviously his rivalry is in a healthier place that doesn’t mean the rivalry still isn’t very important to him.
When I say he would feel empty it’s because Vegeta’s rivalry with Goku is NOT a negative thing and has only made him stronger and into a better fighter in the end. It’s the same with Goku who will always find stronger fighters. Vegeta’s journey of wanting to surpass Goku will never end either. It’s an ongoing rivalry. My whole point is while a Vegeta may desire to be No 1 the Journey is ultimately more important than the destination. Taking who he was in Z and saying he would just be satisfied if he ever surpasses Goku misses how important his rivalry with Goku ultimately is to Vegeta and his growth as a character.
Again I am not saying Vegeta is obsessed with beating Goku (the old Vegeta would never have stopped training to be there for his daughter’s birth) but it’s still very important to him. And while Vegeta may care about being No 1 (hence why he cares about Granolah’s claims to the No 1 in the Universe) the person he always cares the MOST about surpassing is Goku.
