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I was pretty disappointed when Goku in BoG stated that he won't transform past SSJ anymore. SSJ3 was my favourite form, and it's pretty sad to realize that the last time it was ever used was when Beerus easily stomped it.
Even Gotenks for some reason, either turns only into SSJ, or is excluded from the movies altogether. Is the third grade of Super Saiyan only a relic of the past now?
It's especially weird considering how DB Heroes gave everyone this form, yet in the official canon it got erased from existence.
Chuquita wrote:I can totally commiserate. I feel similarly about losing ssjg Gokû.
Maybe Gotenks will still use ssj3 in super?
True, Heroes made a really big deal about ssj3.
Yeah, I loved Super Saiyan 3 and Super Saiyan God. I wasn't going to miss SSJ3 that much since SSJ God took its place, or so I thought until we got the new form. Now I miss them both.
Pretty much what the others have said. I doubt we'll see SSJ3 out of Goku as he's now past that realm of power. Unless the kids find some new transformation, that window of opportunity for them to utilize it as Gotenks may be there, but who knows.
Chuquita wrote:Maybe Gotenks will still use ssj3 in super?
Please no. This has been done to death and seems like they're "stuck" in this shtick for 2 decades and counting. No more Gotenks, no more SSJ3 Gotenks. Independent screen time, power-ups and developement for Trunks/Goten.
I would like Gohan/Trunks/Goten/Pan/Bra to get something of their own. SSJ4 idea of Oozaru progression line was very cool, the name was nonsensical but the idea was great. Why not let them go in that direction and make up a lore excuse that Vegeta/Goku can't do it because they don't have human genes? Or some other transformation that brings them up to part but is also unique to them? Too often they just get whatever Goku/Vegeta already have
Basaku wrote:Too often they just get whatever Goku/Vegeta already have
I disagree. Gohan got SSJ2 and the ultimate power-up first (and the only one to get the last one). Goten and Trunks were the first (and only, if you don't count movies) ones to use fusion.
And to be honest they kept throwing it around like candy to every character in the games which is just silly. Goku managed to make it work because he was dead so it could only be used in the Other World. It sucked up all his time on Earth, and he couldn't keep it working when he was alive.
Check out Journey's End, a short story of Goku and Vegeta's final days. "Time is running out for the last two Saiyans"
sintzu wrote:Goku never said anything about not using it in BOG.
In FNF he said his form was Ssj1 but the hair changed to Blue due to his god powers which means the same thing can happen with Ssj2&3.
Birusu16 wrote:Goku has no need for it anymore as he's far stronger in his base and ssjgssj forms now.
The form isn't a new form based on what Goku said in FNF,it's just normal Ssj1.
The term ssjgssj is for marketing only and was never said in the movie.
Toriyama himself said that Goku came to the conclusion after BoG that he would stop using any form other than SSJ because it is better that way. So no. We probably won't be seeing the same thing happen to SSJ2 and SSJ3.
It seem like SSJ3 have pretty much reached it expiration date as far as a form used in battle goes. Gotenks and Goku don't seem to use the form anymore, Vegeta outright skipped the form to become a SSJG and a SSJGSSJ and Gohan will most likely do the same.
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Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Well Goku seems like the type of fighter who is constantly looking for more efficient transformations and/or methods of powering up. Of all the fighters, he seems to take all variables into serious consideration. With that said, given how he's probably well aware of the energy consumption that comes with turning SSJ3, it seems likely that he would try to stick with more stable means of increasing his power.
I'm beginning to wonder if Gotenks didn't go SSJ3 against Beerus due to Trunks and Goten's lack of training.
Maybe he actually TRAINS and gains power the non-bullshitty way.
Personally, I'd prefer they didn't. Time and time again, Gohan has shown that Gohan only wants to be a scholar. Furthermore, the writers seem to be saying that same thing. I feel like they burned their bridges making Gohan the hero in the Cell Saga (good), letting him slack off for seven years (bad), giving him the Mystic power-up and seeming to suggest that maybe this time he's learned his lesson (good), and letting him slack off again (bad).
Should Gohan's character be redeemed and still allowed to be important? Yes, most certainly. But I feel that his stint as a fighter is done.
I'd rather a not-Saiyan (if not several not-Saiyans) be a significant fighter in Super, and I think it'd be a neat contrast to have a Saiyan be a non-warrior. And Gohan strikes me as the most likely candidate for the latter category. Heck, didn't DBO have him end up scientifically harnessing ki and making it a technology? May Super reflect this, please.
Twilight: My library?! My library!! Do you have any idea how many books I had in there?!
Lord Tirek: How many, little princess?
Twilight: Over NINE THOUSAND!!!
It won't surprise me if SSj3 is ditch for good. Even in GT, they ditch SSj3 pretty quickly given how Goku's small body was unable to handle its power. Heck not even Vegeta used SSj3 in GT since they chose to have him go straight to SSj4. I think Goku's and Vegeta's new god forms are likely going to be use as their main powerful forms in Super.
