Do they all have MUI, or just Roshi? Either way, MUI Roshi distracting + Kienzan = GG
Crazy to think just the number of the MUI multiplier is probably bigger than their power levels.
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Do they all have MUI, or just Roshi? Either way, MUI Roshi distracting + Kienzan = GG
Oh I thought it just meant Psudeo MUI Roshi from the manga, then the other guys regular.Yuji wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 12:47 pmWith MUI? How weak do you think they all are in base then?
I think we have yet to see this all powerful, fully powered version of Silver UI. Other than when he fights Granolah, Goku never seems to lose any power. Vegeta even says Goku is the same as always vs Gas, instead of weaker. As I said, maybe Silver UI’s true power is only accessed when Goku uses his avatar.Yuji wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 5:32 pm Goku heavily implies "true" UI is just Sign. He tells Gas he can let his emotions run in that form. Maybe it got a power boost because multipliers in Super seem to be fluid, but it doesn't seem to be a separate form and the silver-haired form in the neutral mindstate is still implied to be the strongest.
For anyone who read Bleach, I think you can trace a parallel here with how Ichigo has progressively gotten weaker from the Soul Society to the Arrancar arc because of his mindset holding him back. Seems to be a similar case here.
Is TUI really above UE? Both couldn't defeat Gas and it took a team effort to take him down.GreatSaiyaman123 wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 12:56 pmI think we have yet to see this all powerful, fully powered version of Silver UI. Other than when he fights Granolah, Goku never seems to lose any power. Vegeta even says Goku is the same as always vs Gas, instead of weaker. As I said, maybe Silver UI’s true power is only accessed when Goku uses his avatar.Yuji wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 5:32 pm Goku heavily implies "true" UI is just Sign. He tells Gas he can let his emotions run in that form. Maybe it got a power boost because multipliers in Super seem to be fluid, but it doesn't seem to be a separate form and the silver-haired form in the neutral mindstate is still implied to be the strongest.
For anyone who read Bleach, I think you can trace a parallel here with how Ichigo has progressively gotten weaker from the Soul Society to the Arrancar arc because of his mindset holding him back. Seems to be a similar case here.
It’s stated Goku and Vegeta are equals again when Vegeta obtains Ultra Ego. I’ll try to track down the interview to see if this is before or after True UI’s debut, but I think it’s before. So UE Vegeta = UI Goku, and True UI is above UE Vegeta.
You're misremembering it. Adult Gas beat Vegeta to a pulp before he could harness enough power, while TUI Goku had a small upperhand over him and made him go into his Elder state.
Elec asked Oil to take out Granolah in the beginning of the saga. I’d say the only Heeter that may not have improved since the Bardock fight was Elec.Hugo Boss wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 9:47 pm I think the powerscalling in Granolah Arc can be resumed in something like this:
Black Freeza > Zombie Gas > Limit Break Granolah > Colossus UI Goku > Elder Gas > Black UI Goku > Power Unleashed Gas > Evolved UE Vegeta > Red-Eyes Granolah > Prime Gas > Silver UI Goku = UE Vegeta > Prime Granolah > SSBE Vegeta > Blue UI Goku > Red UI Goku > Freeza > SS Goku = SS Vegeta > Base UI Goku > Gas > Granolah > Bardock > Monaito > Macki > Oil > Elec
I think this is prett much it, though Goku and Vegeta are implied to be the same level again when Frieza knocks them out so I moved Evolved UE Vegeta some.Hugo Boss wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 9:47 pm I think the powerscalling in Granolah Arc can be resumed in something like this:
Black Freeza > Zombie Gas > Limit Break Granolah > Colossus UI Goku > Elder Gas > Black UI Goku > Power Unleashed Gas > Evolved UE Vegeta > Red-Eyes Granolah > Prime Gas > Silver UI Goku = UE Vegeta > Prime Granolah > SSBE Vegeta > Blue UI Goku > Red UI Goku > Freeza > SS Goku = SS Vegeta > Base UI Goku > Gas > Granolah > Bardock > Monaito > Macki > Oil > Elec
I don’t think so. Granolah and Gas are just that much stronger than Moro, making the same Ultra Instinct look like nothing special in comparison. Just your traditional DB escalation.Yuji wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 5:17 am Is Goku actually weaker from the Moro arc to Granolah? The inner conflict seems to have affected his mastery of Ultra Instinct. Sign is somehow more effective in battle but we see that in overall battle power the silver form is still top dog when at the end of the arc he pulls out the Ki avatar again.
If the Gammas are equal to Blue, then Ultimate Gohan necessarily has to be as well. The statement that the Gammas are equal to Goku and Vegeta can't make sense if we reduce them to SSG at this point. Even SSB is just an assumption.GreatSaiyaman123 wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 7:45 pm Going exclusively by the movie, is it possible Gohan (and maybe 17) are just SSJG level? If Piccolo is on pair with Goku and he one shot Gamma 2… The serializations making Gohan out to be Blue level might just be a highball on their part. Toriyama’s notes probably just said he vaguely caught up but lost on a double KO.
I disagree with Gohan being low to mid SSB tier. He's outright said to rival SSB Goku in the anime and that puts him at the minimum around 80% of him (Gap between Raditz and the Saibaimen).Mr Baggins wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 9:01 pm There is very little distinction between "the serialization", or at least the manga's serialization, and "Toriyama's notes". Toriyama checks and approves (and even sometimes directly contributes to) every chapter.
17 and ToP Ultimate Gohan are on the lower to middle end of the Blue spectrum, whereas the Gammas and Super Hero's Ultimate Gohan are on the higher end, I'd wager. Seems pretty straightforward to me.