Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[ruler9871]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZZ9cWbGF1g
No real rebuttal, good to hear.

Show me where it's stated that Goku was blood-lusted. That's pure headcanon on your part.

Again. Just because they trade blows for a brief fight doesn't mean anything. Later on the episode he can't beat SS2 Trunks and would have died twice to him without his immortality.

1. SSB Goku was pissed-off and aiming to kill F.Zamasu, so logically that means he was bloodlusted. It's your headcanon to assume he wasn't.

2. F.Zamasu did beat down SSJ2 Trunks in their 1st fight, semi-casually even. You are being in denial.

[Hugo Boss]

We knew Dai Kaioshin alone is far stronger than a SSGOD.

Where you took that from?

[CortoMaltese]

That's still complete nonsense (in fact, it actually makes it worse). That still doesn't justify at all how SSB Vegeta could go from struggling with Black's SSJ1 to dominating his Rose form with that little training or zenkai. That's a far bigger & nonsensical asspull than anything in the anime version.

Base black taking millions punchs without any damage from SSBLUE Vegeta is far far worse. Base black is even able to move so fast than SSBLUE Vegeta is unable to defend himself. And we even don't talk about the episode 57 when Trunks SSJ prestation is far better than Goku Blue.

[ruler9871]

That's still complete nonsense (in fact, it actually makes it worse). That still doesn't justify at all how SSB Vegeta could go from struggling with Black's SSJ1 to dominating his Rose form with that little training or zenkai. That's a far bigger & nonsensical asspull than anything in the anime version.

Base black taking millions punchs without any damage from SSBLUE Vegeta is far far worse. Base black is even able to move so fast than SSBLUE Vegeta is unable to defend himself. And we even don't talk about the episode 57 when Trunks SSJ prestation is far better than Goku Blue.

1. Base Black was stated to have become much stronger at that point than he was when he fought SSJ2 Goku. Not an inconsistency.

2. SSJ2 Trunks didn't fight better than SSB Goku in episode 57 at all.

[ZombieVito]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZZ9cWbGF1g
No real rebuttal, good to hear.

Show me where it's stated that Goku was blood-lusted. That's pure headcanon on your part.

Again. Just because they trade blows for a brief fight doesn't mean anything. Later on the episode he can't beat SS2 Trunks and would have died twice to him without his immortality.

1. SSB Goku was pissed-off and aiming to kill F.Zamasu, so logically that means he was bloodlusted. It's your headcanon to assume he wasn't.

2. F.Zamasu did beat down SSJ2 Trunks in their 1st fight, semi-casually even. You are being in denial.

That's not Gokus character at all...

The hell is this? Trunks impales him and overpowers him in their fight. I don't think Zamasu even hits Trunks in the episode at all.

[ruler9871]

Show me where it's stated that Goku was blood-lusted. That's pure headcanon on your part.

Again. Just because they trade blows for a brief fight doesn't mean anything. Later on the episode he can't beat SS2 Trunks and would have died twice to him without his immortality.

1. SSB Goku was pissed-off and aiming to kill F.Zamasu, so logically that means he was bloodlusted. It's your headcanon to assume he wasn't.

2. F.Zamasu did beat down SSJ2 Trunks in their 1st fight, semi-casually even. You are being in denial.

That's not Gokus character at all...

The hell? Trunks impales him and overpowers him in their fight. I don't think Zamasu even hits Trunks in the episode at all.

1. Yes it is Goku's character. He's been pissed off and ready to kill numerous times before in both the original manga/DB(Z) anime and especially in the Z movies.

2. F.Zamasu tanked that sword on purpose, and he got hits on Trunks in that fight.

[Bullza]

*Post*

1. Ironically you're ignoring the scene that makes for the best comparison of them all. There was nothing inconsistent about it, Android 17 was shown to be too weak to stand...and Goku could stand. It's as simple as that.

No Android 17 was already getting overpowered before Frieza's Death Beam. Frieza using the Death Beam is what saved him from being eliminated. Again he also admitted that he could not beat him.

2. No it still isn't because Goku Black overpowered Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta at the same time. Zamasu isn't Super Saiyan Blue level because he was overpowered by Super Saiyan Trunks.

3. That's a terrible assumption for you to make. Once again there's no bias involved Android 17 and Ribrianne traded blows, at no point did they say Android 17 was holding back his power against her, that's something that you invented. Goku not transforming doesn't mean he held back in the form that he was in.

4. Landing one attack is of no significance. Super Saiyan 2 Trunks landed more hits on Super Saiyan Rose Goku Black and he still isn't as strong.

5. That was never said. You're again making assumptions. Now every single time Zamasu is hit is because he was letting his guard down or wanted to be hit? No, he tried and failed to hit Trunks and got smacked around because he's weak.

6. It was never specified what the difference was that Goku was referring to so nothing was clear. What someone else said about the difference in energy is a likely bet. At no point in either the manga or the anime was Future Zamasu said to be any stronger than Present Zamasu.

7. No this isn't even an arguable thing. I'm not giving you an opinion or anything. I'm just giving you the simple fact of what was shown. It doesn't matter how many hits you "think" Zamasu landed a hit because it is a fact that he is shown to land one hit, the one that knocks him towards the street...and that's it.

Four hits is all he gets in fairly through the whole arc.

[Miracles]

You are not reading my statements properly cause I didn't suggest those things you claimed. It didn't matter what level of power Blue Goku was at. Zamas got bodied by SSJ2 Trunks at the start, struggling to kill a fatigue SSJ2 Trunks later, Blue Goku blew off his head and he needed to regenerate from that one attack; Blue Goku smashed Zamas into the ground and he needed to regenerate from that. The fact that he needed to regenerate from those simple attacks proves he isn't Blue level.

1. F.Zamasu didn't get bodied by SSJ2 Trunks in their 1st fight, the exact opposite happened (F.Zamasu also bodied SSB Goku in their 1st fight too, a fact you keep denying).

2. He didn't "struggle" to kill a fatigue SSJ2 Trunks, he simply chased him around while Trunks lured him into a suicide trap.

3. "Blue Goku blew off his head and he needed to regenerate from that one attack"

SSb Goku at that point could one shot his RoF self, so by your logic nobody from RoF was SSB level smh.

"Blue Goku smashed Zamas into the ground and he needed to regenerate from that"

A) That Goku was way stronger than he was at the start of the Black arc (same with Vegeta). You keep repeating the same fallacy over and over again.

B) F.Zamasu didn't lose any body parts nor regenerate at all in the that scene. You are making stuff up.

Did you forget that base Black was already SSJ2 level? SSJ2 Vegeta was SSJ3 level from BOG...Black SSJ is stronger than that. It fits perfectly.

That's still complete nonsense (in fact, it actually makes it worse). That still doesn't justify at all how SSB Vegeta could go from struggling with Black's SSJ1 to dominating his Rose form with that little training or zenkai. That's a far bigger & nonsensical asspull than anything in the anime version.

It was explained that Vegeta perfected Goku's red and blue switch technique where he could exert the full power of blue in bursts and not waste any power against Rose. Your dislike for the manga isn't going to change the facts of it's story coherency on this.

Your still ignoring the plot. Trunks beat Future Zamas twice by stabbing and shooting him with a blast. Only his regeneration saved him. Then later he couldn't overpower a fatigue SSj2 Trunks. Trading blows with blue Goku before/after does not change that fact at all. It's just TOEI'S bad writing. However, TOEI'S narration constantly referred to Zamas immortality/invincibility as being the threat, not his power. IF ZAMAS WAS BLUE LEVEL HE WOULDN'T NEED TO REGENERATE FROM BASIC ATTACKS FROM BOTH BLUE GOKU OR SSJ2 TRUNKS.

[ruler9871]

1. Ironically you're ignoring the scene that makes for the best comparison of them all. There was nothing inconsistent about it, Android 17 was shown to be too weak to stand...and Goku could stand. It's as simple as that.

No Android 17 was already getting overpowered before Frieza's Death Beam. Frieza using the Death Beam is what saved him from being eliminated. Again he also admitted that he could not beat him.

2. No it still isn't because Goku Black overpowered Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta at the same time. Zamasu isn't Super Saiyan Blue level because he was overpowered by Super Saiyan Trunks.

3. That's a terrible assumption for you to make. Once again there's no bias involved Android 17 and Ribrianne traded blows, at no point did they say Android 17 was holding back his power against her, that's something that you invented. Goku not transforming doesn't mean he held back in the form that he was in.

4. Landing one attack is of no significance. Super Saiyan 2 Trunks landed more hits on Super Saiyan Rose Goku Black and he still isn't as strong.

5. That was never said. You're again making assumptions. Now every single time Zamasu is hit is because he was letting his guard down or wanted to be hit? No, he tried and failed to hit Trunks and got smacked around because he's weak.

6. It was never specified what the difference was that Goku was referring to so nothing was clear. What someone else said about the difference in energy is a likely bet. At no point in either the manga or the anime was Future Zamasu said to be any stronger than Present Zamasu.

7. No this isn't even an arguable thing. I'm not giving you an opinion or anything. I'm just giving you the simple fact of what was shown. It doesn't matter how many hits you "think" Zamasu landed a hit because it is a fact that he is shown to land one hit, the one that knocks him towards the street...and that's it.

Four hits is all he gets in fairly through the whole arc.

1. And A17 was shown to force Goku into SSB, match Base Toppo in a beam struggle & tank hits from Full Power Jiren. No inconsistency at all........

None of that would have happened if A17 was only Base/SSJ1 level.

And your still using the weaker than X = not SSB level fallacy smh.

2. He was not overpowered by SSJ2 Trunks, the other way around happen instead.

3. A) It's a common sense assumption based on facts. If a character is playing around and not making any serious effort, then they are holding back, its that simple.

And the simple fact of Goku not using SSJ3 against Uub does mean that he was holding back against him in general.

4. "Landing one attack is of no significance. Super Saiyan 2 Trunks landed more hits on Super Saiyan Rose Goku Black and he still isn't as strong."

Then that debunks all your arguments regarding F.Zamasu, since by the same standard, you can't use SSJ2 Trunks landing hits on F.Zamasu in the anime to prove that he's only SSJ2 level. You've already lost.

And by the way, it wasn't just one hit F.Zamasu landed on Trunks. And you are still ignoring F.Zamasu beating up SSB Goku in ep.57

5. According to Trunks himself, Zamasu was taking hits own purpose most of the time up until that point. You have no proof that he wasn't. And there is no instance of SSJ2 Trunks foddering F.Zamasu (that's just BS you made up).

6. He was shown and said by Goku himself to be different from his Present version, and not by referring to his immortality.


7. Again you repeat the same falsehood that could be easy disproven by just watching the show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnzHzuaEaYo

If F.Zamasu was just SSJ2 level in the anime then SSB Goku would have just flicked him away in that scene. They wouldn't be going back & forth like that. It's not rocket science.

[ZombieVito]

1. SSB Goku was pissed-off and aiming to kill F.Zamasu, so logically that means he was bloodlusted. It's your headcanon to assume he wasn't.

2. F.Zamasu did beat down SSJ2 Trunks in their 1st fight, semi-casually even. You are being in denial.

That's not Gokus character at all...

The hell? Trunks impales him and overpowers him in their fight. I don't think Zamasu even hits Trunks in the episode at all.

1. Yes it is Goku's character. He's been pissed off and ready to kill numerous times before in both the original manga/DB(Z) anime and especially in the Z movies.

2. F.Zamasu tanked that sword on purpose, and he got hits on Trunks in that fight.

Goku didnt even tried to kill Freeza and the Z movies are not canon.

Might want to see the fight again. Zamasu wasnt expecting Trunks to hit him with the sword as he has a surprised look before it and Zamasu never hit him in the entire episode.

[ruler9871]

It was explained that Vegeta perfected Goku's red and blue switch technique where he could exert the full power of blue in bursts and not waste any power against Rose. Your dislike for the manga isn't going to change the facts of it's story coherency on this.

Your still ignoring the plot. Trunks beat Future Zamas twice by stabbing and shooting him with a blast. Only his regeneration saved him. Then later he couldn't overpower a fatigue SSj2 Trunks. Trading blows with blue Goku before/after does not change that fact at all. It's just TOEI'S bad writing. However, TOEI'S narration constantly referred to Zamas immortality/invincibility as being the threat, not his power. IF ZAMAS WAS BLUE LEVEL HE WOULDN'T NEED TO REGENERATE FROM BASIC ATTACKS FROM BOTH BLUE GOKU OR SSJ2 TRUNKS.

1. You are still missing the point. The Red-Blue switching thing still can't explain where Vegeta got an over 5,000x power boost to surpass Black's Rose form, since he was previously weaker than his SSJ1 form.

2. A) Trunks lost to F.Zamasu in that episode. The fight wasn't over when Trunks stabbed him (which Zamasu took on purpose, at fact you keep ignoring).

B) "he couldn't overpower a fatigue SSj2 Trunks", he wasn't trying to. He simply chased him around.

C) "Trading blows with blue Goku before/after does not change that fact at all"

If F.Zamasu wasn't SSB level in the anime then he wouldn't have been able to trade blows with a serious SSB Goku at all. Its that simple.

D) "It's just TOEI'S bad writing", no that's just your bias assumptions, since you still haven't given any proof that F.Zamasu was mean't to be only SSJ2 in the anime (and anime =/= manga in power levels, so don't even bother with that BS "Toriyama's outline" argument).

"However, TOEI'S narration constantly referred to Zamas immortality/invincibility as being the threat, not his power"

This is clearly false, because Goku did mention F.Zamasu's power in the anime. You are just being in denial.

E) "IF ZAMAS WAS BLUE LEVEL HE WOULDN'T NEED TO REGENERATE FROM BASIC ATTACKS FROM BOTH BLUE GOKU OR SSJ2 TRUNKS."

This is a fallacy, because RoF Golden Freeza could also be killed from basic attacks by Black arc SSB Goku, so that doesn't prove a thing. And F.Zamasu took on Trunks sword on purpose, because as Trunks himself says in the anime, F.Zamasu often drops his guard and tanks hits on purpose so he can gloat about is immortality. So that debunks your downplay.

[ruler9871]

Goku didnt even tried to kill Freeza and the Z movies are not canon.

Might want to see the fight again. Zamasu wasnt expecting Trunks to hit him with the sword as he has a surprised look before it and Zamasu never hit him in the entire episode.

1. Goku initially did try to kill Freeza. He was also blood-lusted against King Piccolo, Raditz, Saiyan arc Vegeta, Perfect Cell & Kid Buu. And the Z movies have the same characterization as the main story, so its a valid argument.

2. F.Zamasu smiled and bragged when Trunks stabbed him, and he had SSB Goku on the run in their fight. That debunks your argument there.

[CortoMaltese]

That's still complete nonsense (in fact, it actually makes it worse). That still doesn't justify at all how SSB Vegeta could go from struggling with Black's SSJ1 to dominating his Rose form with that little training or zenkai. That's a far bigger & nonsensical asspull than anything in the anime version.

Base black taking millions punchs without any damage from SSBLUE Vegeta is far far worse. Base black is even able to move so fast than SSBLUE Vegeta is unable to defend himself. And we even don't talk about the episode 57 when Trunks SSJ prestation is far better than Goku Blue.

1. Base Black was stated to have become much stronger at that point than he was when he fought SSJ2 Goku. Not an inconsistency.

2. SSJ2 Trunks didn't fight better than SSB Goku in episode 57 at all.

SSJ Rose is the equivalent of the SSBLUE. How much stronger SSBLUE is compared to base ? X 100 000 ? X 1 Million ? And SSJ Rose Goku Black has several power up before the last fight with Vegeta. So with your statement, Vegeta need to become millions times stronger to beat him after the training...

For Trunks, he was able to block a ki blade from Black using his sword, trade some blow and ultimately kick his ass against the Wall. And for Black's Kamehameha, an attack able to beat to death Goku SSJB, should absolutely desintegrate Trunks... Unless you think the 5 minutes training with SSBLUEGETA give Trunks an 1billion power-up.....

[ZombieVito]

1. Goku initially did try to kill Freeza. He was also blood-lusted against King Piccolo, Raditz, Saiyan arc Vegeta, Perfect Cell & Kid Buu. And the Z movies have the same characterization as the main story, so its a valid argument.

2. F.Zamasu smiled and bragged when Trunks stabbed him, and he had SSB Goku on the run in their fight. That debunks your argument there.

Ever since the 23rd TB Goku has never tried to kill someone out of the bat like that. He only kills when it's absolutely necessary. If he was trying to kill Zamasu here it's out of character.

This is not the reaction someone makes when they wanted to get stabbed.



Then this happens after he regenerates. He can't be SSB tier if he can't even hit a SS2 tier guy.

[Miracles]

1. You are still missing the point. The Red-Blue switching thing still can't explain where Vegeta got an over 5,000x power boost to surpass Black's Rose form, since he was previously weaker than his SSJ1 form.

Stop with the fanfic numbers. The manga stated that Vegeta being able to switch to blue when attacking allows Blue's FULL POWER to be maximized in short bursts. That's why Vegeta could get the better of Rose Black. You can keep ignoring it if you want, won't change the facts.

2. A) Trunks lost to F.Zamasu in that episode. The fight wasn't over when Trunks stabbed him (which Zamasu took on purpose, at fact you keep ignoring).

B) "he couldn't overpower a fatigue SSj2 Trunks", he wasn't trying to. He simply chased him around.

C) "Trading blows with blue Goku before/after does not change that fact at all"

If F.Zamasu wasn't SSB level in the anime then he wouldn't have been able to trade blows with a serious SSB Goku at all. Its that simple.

Zamas is invulnerable. He doesn't feel pain. He took a full kamehameha from Rose. His invincibility/regenration is the ONLY reason why he was able to physically block/trade with people stronger than him. You are just trying to put your headcanon over the story.

D) "It's just TOEI'S bad writing", no that's just your bias assumptions, since you still haven't given any proof that F.Zamasu was mean't to be only SSJ2 in the anime (and anime =/= manga in power levels, so don't even bother with that BS "Toriyama's outline" argument).

"However, TOEI'S narration constantly referred to Zamas immortality/invincibility as being the threat, not his power"

This is clearly false, because Goku did mention F.Zamasu's power in the anime. You are just being in denial.

Where did the story praise future Zamas power as the threat to Goku and Vegeta instead of his invincible body? TOEI's plot constantly claimed Zamas was invulnerable. The fact that TOEI had Zamas lose to Trunks SSJ2 when before he pushes Blue Goku is proof of bad writing. The action contradicting the narration at times is inconsistency.

E) "IF ZAMAS WAS BLUE LEVEL HE WOULDN'T NEED TO REGENERATE FROM BASIC ATTACKS FROM BOTH BLUE GOKU OR SSJ2 TRUNKS."

This is a fallacy, because RoF Golden Freeza could also be killed from basic attacks by Black arc SSB Goku, so that doesn't prove a thing. And F.Zamasu took on Trunks sword on purpose, because as Trunks himself says in the anime, F.Zamasu often drops his guard and tanks hits on purpose so he can gloat about is immortality. So that debunks your downplay.

Spoiler:

Zamas drops his guard AFTER getting hit just to gloat, he doesn't get hit on purpose like your headcanon assumes. Also, RoF Freeza wouldn't be Black arc Blue Goku level. So your example for Zamas needing to be healed from basic attacks from blue is more headcanon.

[Bullza]

*Post*

1. Forcing Goku into a Super Saiyan Blue only shows that he's stronger than the below forms. He was shown clearly to be inferior to Goku during the Black Hole incident. Android 17 never matched Toppo, losing ground is not matching and tanking hits from Jiren means what? He already admitted inferiority to Toppo.

I never actually said that Android 17 was of that level. You've kind of misunderstood the point. Android 17 traded blows with Ribrianne even though the former is actually vastly more powerful.

Goku trading blows with Zamasu is meaningless in itself.

2. Zamasu was stabbed through, had his attack stopped, his attacks dodged, got pummeled and was hit by a Final Flash that should have killed him. He was completely overpowered.

3. No that's still an assumption. A character pretending to be a being a bad guy doesn't mean he then proceeds to fight at a minute fraction of his power. Attitude doesn't affect power level.

4. That doesn't actually make any sense. Where Zamasu was able to land a grand total of one attack on a drained Super Saiyan Trunks. Trunks was able to hit Zamasu plenty of times and would have killed him had he not been immortal.

5. No you're doing the very same thing I mentioned. Assuming that every time Zamasu is hit he does so on purpose. What Trunks actually says is that after he is hit, he loses focus because he revels in his immortality. This has little to do with Trunks being able to hit him at all.

Which is why when the two first clashed, Zamasu couldn't lay a hand on Trunks whereas Trunks pummeled Zamasu.

6. He was different in an unexplained way. You don't know that it wasn't about his immortality because they never said what was different in the first place.

7. That video there is just proving my point lol. In that entire video he hits Goku one time. That accounts for one out of his four hits. I know it's only four hits because in the entire time you've been denying it you haven't even bothered to point out one other occasion.

Your other comment also doesn't work because Trunks was Super Saiyan 2 level and Goku Black never flicked him and wouldn't have got kicked upside a building.

[PFM18]

1. Base Black was stated to have become much stronger at that point than he was when he fought SSJ2 Goku. Not an inconsistency.

It's still not consistent with Vegeta being able to catch SSJ Rose Black's punch in the same episode. If Base Black>SSB Vegeta were true, then he should have been instantly disintegrated by SSJ Rose, but he even put up a fight.

[Amir]

1. SSB Goku was pissed-off and aiming to kill F.Zamasu, so logically that means he was bloodlusted. It's your headcanon to assume he wasn't.

2. F.Zamasu did beat down SSJ2 Trunks in their 1st fight, semi-casually even. You are being in denial.

That's not Gokus character at all...

The hell? Trunks impales him and overpowers him in their fight. I don't think Zamasu even hits Trunks in the episode at all.

1. Yes it is Goku's character. He's been pissed off and ready to kill numerous times before in both the original manga/DB(Z) anime and especially in the Z movies.

2. F.Zamasu tanked that sword on purpose, and he got hits on Trunks in that fight.

I mostly agree but Zamasu never hit Trunks in episode 57.

[PFM18]

It was explained that Vegeta perfected Goku's red and blue switch technique where he could exert the full power of blue in bursts and not waste any power against Rose. Your dislike for the manga isn't going to change the facts of it's story coherency on this.

Your still ignoring the plot. Trunks beat Future Zamas twice by stabbing and shooting him with a blast. Only his regeneration saved him. Then later he couldn't overpower a fatigue SSj2 Trunks. Trading blows with blue Goku before/after does not change that fact at all. It's just TOEI'S bad writing. However, TOEI'S narration constantly referred to Zamas immortality/invincibility as being the threat, not his power. IF ZAMAS WAS BLUE LEVEL HE WOULDN'T NEED TO REGENERATE FROM BASIC ATTACKS FROM BOTH BLUE GOKU OR SSJ2 TRUNKS.

1. You are still missing the point. The Red-Blue switching thing still can't explain where Vegeta got an over 5,000x power boost to surpass Black's Rose form, since he was previously weaker than his SSJ1 form.

2. A) Trunks lost to F.Zamasu in that episode. The fight wasn't over when Trunks stabbed him (which Zamasu took on purpose, at fact you keep ignoring).

B) "he couldn't overpower a fatigue SSj2 Trunks", he wasn't trying to. He simply chased him around.

C) "Trading blows with blue Goku before/after does not change that fact at all"

If F.Zamasu wasn't SSB level in the anime then he wouldn't have been able to trade blows with a serious SSB Goku at all. Its that simple.

D) "It's just TOEI'S bad writing", no that's just your bias assumptions, since you still haven't given any proof that F.Zamasu was mean't to be only SSJ2 in the anime (and anime =/= manga in power levels, so don't even bother with that BS "Toriyama's outline" argument).

"However, TOEI'S narration constantly referred to Zamas immortality/invincibility as being the threat, not his power"

This is clearly false, because Goku did mention F.Zamasu's power in the anime. You are just being in denial.

E) "IF ZAMAS WAS BLUE LEVEL HE WOULDN'T NEED TO REGENERATE FROM BASIC ATTACKS FROM BOTH BLUE GOKU OR SSJ2 TRUNKS."

This is a fallacy, because RoF Golden Freeza could also be killed from basic attacks by Black arc SSB Goku, so that doesn't prove a thing. And F.Zamasu took on Trunks sword on purpose, because as Trunks himself says in the anime, F.Zamasu often drops his guard and tanks hits on purpose so he can gloat about is immortality. So that debunks your downplay.

Do you know what a fallacy is?

[Thani]

By what I've read, Black's SSJ form in the manga was evolving after his zenkai. He was reaching the point where he was surpassing SSj God and going straight to SSGSS, which to his credit was indeed stronger than Vegeta's current SSGSS. Which is what happened, and the beating Vegeta took after Black went Rosé wasn't that worse, actually. When Black's SSJ form evolved enough, it became Rosé. That's not to say that Black can't use SSJ anymore, but it wouldn't be that powerful. Think of Goku's "god power absorbed" SSJ in BoG, only it being a temporary, transitory state to SSGSS.