First form Freeza and Fourth Form Freeza (RoF)
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First form Freeza and Fourth Form Freeza (RoF)
Where would you guys place his power in these forms after his resurrection and training?
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Re: First form Freeza and Fourth Form Freeza (RoF)
First Form - SSJ2 level. Maybe SSJ3.
Fourth Form - Way above Vegito level.
Fourth Form - Way above Vegito level.
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Re: First form Freeza and Fourth Form Freeza (RoF)
The first is stronger than Cell and the fourth stronger than Majin Boo. I still think Super Vegetto is perhaps stronger than Base Goku from F.
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Re: First form Freeza and Fourth Form Freeza (RoF)
I'd say First Form Freeza would be Majin Boo (Post split) level. And Fourth Form Freeza is hypothetical SSJ3 Vegetto level.
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First Form Frieza - somewhere in the same realm of power as SSJ3 Goku (Buu arc) / Kid Buu.
Final Form Frieza - enough power to one-shot Buuhan, and comfortably beat down SSJ Vegetto.
Final Form Frieza - enough power to one-shot Buuhan, and comfortably beat down SSJ Vegetto.
Re: First form Freeza and Fourth Form Freeza (RoF)
Not only was 1st form Freeza powerful enough to damn near kill base Gohan with a casual strike, but his power was enough to leave Piccolo completely awestruck--which implies that Freeza was already in the upper-echelon of ki that he'd ever sensed. SSJ3-level is probably about right... Maybe even greater.
His 4th form was powerful enough to shock everyone on the field(inc. Goku and Vegeta), and contend decently against base Goku, who isn't that far below SSJG Goku from BoG. IOW, 4th form Freeza is likely superior to anything we've ever seen in Z, prior to BoG.
His 4th form was powerful enough to shock everyone on the field(inc. Goku and Vegeta), and contend decently against base Goku, who isn't that far below SSJG Goku from BoG. IOW, 4th form Freeza is likely superior to anything we've ever seen in Z, prior to BoG.
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Isn't it ridiculous how Freeza Fourth Form Surpassed even Super Vegito with only 4 months of training?
I do believe so
I do believe so
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Re: First form Freeza and Fourth Form Freeza (RoF)
Golden form aside, it is absolutely staggering when you think about how much power he gained in a scant 4 months.Lord Gogeta wrote:Isn't it ridiculous how Freeza Fourth Form Surpassed even Super Vegito with only 4 months of training?
I do believe so
Re: First form Freeza and Fourth Form Freeza (RoF)
It's really not that staggering when people comfortably adhere to:
Gotenks Ssj Post > Gotenks Base Post > Gotenks Ssj Pre
Gotenks Ssj Post > Gotenks Base Post > Gotenks Ssj Pre
Re: First form Freeza and Fourth Form Freeza (RoF)
Frieza surpassing Super Saiyan Vegetto in a matter of months doesn't seem like a considerable milestone when we consider how his once unrivaled power was merely a hereditary gift.Lord Gogeta wrote:Isn't it ridiculous how Freeza Fourth Form Surpassed even Super Vegito with only 4 months of training?
I do believe so
Barring SSJ4 Gogeta, Omega, Syn, Nuova, Eis, Super 17 (energy absorbed), and possibly the Super Saiyan 4's, there's probably not a single fighter in GT who could stand up to the mighty tyrant's final form, let alone his golden form.
With the exclusion of SSJ4 Gogeta and possibly Omega Shenron, I'd say Golden Frieza proudly sits in a category of power that puts all GT characters to shame.
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Re: First form Freeza and Fourth Form Freeza (RoF)
He was born 12,000,000 times stronger than a Son Gohan trained Kid Goku. It's not ridiculous at all.Galan007 wrote:Golden form aside, it is absolutely staggering when you think about how much power he gained in a scant 4 months.Lord Gogeta wrote:Isn't it ridiculous how Freeza Fourth Form Surpassed even Super Vegito with only 4 months of training?
I do believe so
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Yea I was quite annoyed with the immense power jump at first, but after realizing that he had never trained once in his life and was likely born with a power level of 120 million it became a lot more tolerable.
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Goku getting multiple times stronger in 3(?) days from climbing up a tower and chasing a cat? Piccolo on Kaio's planet? Krillin and Gohan from their fight with Ginyu to their fight with Freeza? Piccolo during the 3 year training for the Androids? Gotenks in the Room of Spirit and Time?
Dragon Ball is filled with unrealistic / dumb increases in power.
Dragon Ball is filled with unrealistic / dumb increases in power.
Re: First form Freeza and Fourth Form Freeza (RoF)
In 4 months, he raised the power of his 1st form from 530k, to SSJ3-level(at the very least.)Zombie wrote:He was born 12,000,000 times stronger than a Son Gohan trained Kid Goku. It's not ridiculous at all.
We know base Goku was < Freeza at the start of BoG, but Beerus' reaction to base Goku certainly didn't imply there was a huge difference between them. Let's say Goku's base PL at the time=100m(that's fair, imo.) Using canon multipliers, that puts the PL of SSJ1 at 5b, the PL of SSJ2 at 10b, and the PL of SSJ3 at 40b. So even if we merely assume that 1st form Freeza was on par with SSJ3 Goku, it means the PL of his 1st form had increased by ~75,400x... In 4 months. If we then consider the implications of his 4th form improving from 120m, to >> Super-Vegetto-level, then the increase is exponentially greater still.
So yes, that is a staggering increase.
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Re: First form Freeza and Fourth Form Freeza (RoF)
First form should maybe be around Super Buu level (assuming Gohan lost his Mystic powerup)
Fourth form is probably maybe 4 on the god scale.
Just for fun, his not-shown second and third forms might equal Buuhan and Vegito, respectively.
Fourth form is probably maybe 4 on the god scale.
Just for fun, his not-shown second and third forms might equal Buuhan and Vegito, respectively.
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Re: First form Freeza and Fourth Form Freeza (RoF)
Leveraging the already established foundation of Whis 15, Beerus 10, and SSG Goku 6, I've come up with the following:
First Form Frieza > SSJ3 Goku / Kid Buu
Second Form Frieza > Super Buu
Third Form Frieza > Buuhan
Final Form Frieza > SSJ Vegetto
If factoring in GT and BoG into the equation helps..
Whis > SSJ4 Gogeta > Beerus > Omega Shenron > Golden Frieza > SSGSS Goku / Vegeta > SSG Goku (BoG) > Super 17 (energy absorbed) > SSJ4 Goku > / = Final Form Frieza (FnF) > Super Baby Vegeta 2 > SSJ Vegetto > Third Form Frieza (FnF) > Buuhan > Second Form Frieza (FnF) > Super Buu > First Form Frieza > Kid Buu
Whis: 15
SSJ4 Gogeta: 12 (12.5 or 13 at the best)
Beerus: 10
Omega Shenron 8 - 8.5
Golden Frieza: 8
SSGSS Goku / SSGSS Vegeta: 7.5
SSG Goku (BoG): 6
Super 17 (energy absorbed): 5.5
SSJ4 Goku: 4.5
Final Form Frieza: 4
SSJ Vegetto: 2 - 2.5
First Form Frieza > SSJ3 Goku / Kid Buu
Second Form Frieza > Super Buu
Third Form Frieza > Buuhan
Final Form Frieza > SSJ Vegetto
If factoring in GT and BoG into the equation helps..
Whis > SSJ4 Gogeta > Beerus > Omega Shenron > Golden Frieza > SSGSS Goku / Vegeta > SSG Goku (BoG) > Super 17 (energy absorbed) > SSJ4 Goku > / = Final Form Frieza (FnF) > Super Baby Vegeta 2 > SSJ Vegetto > Third Form Frieza (FnF) > Buuhan > Second Form Frieza (FnF) > Super Buu > First Form Frieza > Kid Buu
Whis: 15
SSJ4 Gogeta: 12 (12.5 or 13 at the best)
Beerus: 10
Omega Shenron 8 - 8.5
Golden Frieza: 8
SSGSS Goku / SSGSS Vegeta: 7.5
SSG Goku (BoG): 6
Super 17 (energy absorbed): 5.5
SSJ4 Goku: 4.5
Final Form Frieza: 4
SSJ Vegetto: 2 - 2.5
Re: First form Freeza and Fourth Form Freeza (RoF)
Well, Freeza's 2nd form was basically 2x> his 1st form.Polyphase Avatron wrote:First form should maybe be around Super Buu level (assuming Gohan lost his Mystic powerup)
Fourth form is probably maybe 4 on the god scale.
Just for fun, his not-shown second and third forms might equal Buuhan and Vegito, respectively.
So IF 1st form Freeza were ~ Super Buu, then his 2nd form would be on par with Shin Gohan(assuming the power increases he gains with each transformation are still the same, of course.) This would likely put his 3rd/Xeno form around the level of Buuhan, and even if you lowball his 4th form, it was still upwards of 40x> his 3rd form... Which means 4th form Freeza would be more than 40x> Buuhan. Crazy.
OR we can simply say that 4th form Freeza was 226x> Super Buu(that is the difference in power between his 1st and 4th forms.) Whichever you prefer.
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It is staggering when you realize Vegito's multiplier is Goku's BP x Vegeta's. Now x 50 for Super Saiyan.supercat wrote:Freeza surpassing Super Saiyan Vegetto in a matter of months doesn't seem like a considerable milestone when we consider how his once unrivaled power was merely a hereditary gift.Lord Gogeta wrote:Isn't it ridiculous how Freeza Fourth Form Surpassed even Super Vegito with only 4 months of training?
I do believe so
Barring SSJ4 Gogeta, Omega, Syn, Nuova, Eis, Super 17 (energy absorbed), and possibly the Super Saiyan 4's, there's probably not a single fighter in GT who could stand up to the mighty tyrant's final form, let alone his golden form.
With the exclusion of SSJ4 Gogeta and possibly Omega Shenron, I'd say Golden Freeza proudly sits in a category of power that puts all GT characters to shame.
And Goku and Vegeta were already lightyears above Freeza.
Now Golden Freeza is arguably above SSJ4 Gogeta. So it is insane
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Re: First form Freeza and Fourth Form Freeza (RoF)
I know ,its too exaggerated .Galan007 wrote:Golden form aside, it is absolutely staggering when you think about how much power he gained in a scant 4 months.Lord Gogeta wrote:Isn't it ridiculous how Freeza Fourth Form Surpassed even Super Vegito with only 4 months of training?
I do believe so
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Re: First form Freeza and Fourth Form Freeza (RoF)
Frieza was able to reach a battle power of 120,000,000 without a day of training under his belt. Goku and Vegeta were only worlds above him because they dedicated their entire existence into training. Let's also not forget that going Super Saiyan was ultimately what granted the Saiyans the power to surpass the tyrant. Without the ability to transform, who knows how long it would have taken their base forms to close in on such an astonishing level of strength.Lord Gogeta wrote:It is staggering when you realize Vegito's multiplier is Goku's BP x Vegeta's. Now x 50 for Super Saiyan.supercat wrote:Freeza surpassing Super Saiyan Vegetto in a matter of months doesn't seem like a considerable milestone when we consider how his once unrivaled power was merely a hereditary gift.Lord Gogeta wrote:Isn't it ridiculous how Freeza Fourth Form Surpassed even Super Vegito with only 4 months of training?
I do believe so
Barring SSJ4 Gogeta, Omega, Syn, Nuova, Eis, Super 17 (energy absorbed), and possibly the Super Saiyan 4's, there's probably not a single fighter in GT who could stand up to the mighty tyrant's final form, let alone his golden form.
With the exclusion of SSJ4 Gogeta and possibly Omega Shenron, I'd say Golden Freeza proudly sits in a category of power that puts all GT characters to shame.
And Goku and Vegeta were already lightyears above Freeza.
Now Golden Freeza is arguably above SSJ4 Gogeta. So it is insane
Also, not trying to mini-mod here, but you do realize that you have the option to put multiple quotes into one post right?