SSJGSSJ vs. SSJG

[OWmyDragonBallz]

I keep hearing these rumors that smurf - coloured hair Goku is inferior to his red hair state from Toriyama saying "red is stronger than blue". Wouldn't that contradict what Whis said about SSJGSSJ Goku being greater than 70% power Beerus?

[Polyphase Avatron]

Did he say that? I thought he only said that SSGSSJ Goku and Vegeta could potentially beat Beerus if they teamed up.

[MajinMan]

I don't know about the 70% line, but there is no reason for SSG to be stronger than SSGSS. You can blame certain youtubers who clearly don't research for something as dumb as that becoming a "rumor." In the end, SSGSS is just the power of SSG infused in Goku's Super Saiyan form, which means it's either as strong as SSG or stronger.

[Polyphase Avatron]

SSJG Goku: 6
Beerus: 10

SSJGSSJ Goku: At least 6, less than 10

[sintzu]

Ssjgssj is Ssj with the power of Ssjg so that alone says it's stronger then normal Ssjg.

[h0kuten]

When did Toriyama say Red is stronger than Blue?

Whiss~ 15
Beerus~ 10

Golden Frieza~ 8
Goku SSJGSS~ 7.5 (FnF)
Vegeta SSJGSS~ 7.2 (FnF)
Beerus 70%~ 7
Goku SSJG~ 6 (BoG)

Goku Ssj~ 5.4 (BoG)
Goku Base~ 3.75 (FnF)
Vegeta Base~ 3.6 (FnF)
Organic Frieza~ 3 (FnF)
Goku Base~ 2.7 (BoG)

[Berserker1921]

When did Toriyama say Red is stronger than Blue?

Whiss~ 15
Beerus~ 10

Golden Freeza~ 8
Goku SSJGSS~ 7.5 (FnF)
Vegeta SSJGSS~ 7.2 (FnF)
Beerus 70%~ 7
Goku SSJG~ 6 (BoG)

Goku Ssj~ 5.4 (BoG)
Goku Base~ 3.75 (FnF)
Vegeta Base~ 3.6 (FnF)
Organic Freeza~ 3 (FnF)
Goku Base~ 2.7 (BoG)

I agree with those numbers. And toriyama said red as the color red looks stronger then blue. He never said he forms. He just meant the color. Of course he changed his mind. I wonder if gokus final form will have white hair ahaha

[Blade]

It's never stated outright (or even hinted) in Revival of F that Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is stronger than a regular Super Saiyan God.

There's a bit of misinformation floating around the fanbase thanks to Dragonball Xenoverse, where in the final DLC pack, the form is introduced in the dialogue as 'a level beyond Super Saiyan God'.

But yeah, all we know is that during Battle of Gods, Goku somehow absorbs the power of Super Saiyan God into him. Whether a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is merely a consequence of that, or an outright expansion, has not yet been stated, but I think we can infer from Revival of F that, when using the form, Goku still doesn't quite match up to Beerus.

[Faustus]

Not that I'm especially convinced, but I think the logic goes that if the difference between Goku's SSG and his new base is pretty negligible (or at least so insignificant that he didn't notice reverting in Battle of Gods), and SSGSS provides a significant boost to this new base, then SSGSS must be stronger than SSG.

[h0kuten]

Beerus says Goku kept most of the SSJG power after he lost the transformation, so I've got him 90% of his Super Saiyan God self in normal Super Saiyan.

Goku & Vegeta than build a mastery over this form, kind of like Ssj & FPMSsj, and thus, SSJG SS is introduced. Goku also get's a 25% power boost in comparison to his Battle of Gods SSJG self.

The promotional material for Fukkatsu no F says it's a 'Battle surpassing Gods', the only two gods previously were Beerus @ 70% power and Goku SSJG in BoG.

Golden Frieza is shown to be slightly stronger than Goku SSJG SS.

Whiss says Goku & Vegeta could fight and potentially beat Beerus at full power.

So summarily:

Beerus 100% > Golden Frieza > Goku SSJG SS >= Vegeta SSJG SS > Beerus 70% > Goku SSJG

[DBZGTKOSDH]

After Goku absorbed the power of Super Saiyan God, and became a Saiyan beyond God, his power decreased insignificantly. The difference is so small that he didn't even have to transform into a Super Saiyan God anymore, even though he can still transform on his own. The same goes for Super Saiyan 1/2/3, they no longer give him a significant increase, if any. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, however, gives a significant boost to his power (even though it's smaller than x2, since he is still weaker than Beerus), so there is no doubt that SSGSS is stronger than SSG.

[Low Tone G]

When did Toriyama say Red is stronger than Blue?

Whiss~ 15
Beerus~ 10

Golden Freeza~ 8
Goku SSJGSS~ 7.5 (FnF)
Vegeta SSJGSS~ 7.2 (FnF)
Beerus 70%~ 7
Goku SSJG~ 6 (BoG)

Goku Ssj~ 5.4 (BoG)
Goku Base~ 3.75 (FnF)
Vegeta Base~ 3.6 (FnF)
Organic Freeza~ 3 (FnF)
Goku Base~ 2.7 (BoG)

I don't really see why would Goku drop to 2x weaker in Base. The BOG showed that Goku didn't notice that he was lack of Super Saiyan god form, and continued to hold his own against Beerus.

I'd change your list like this:
Whis ~15
Beerus ~10

Golden Freeza ~8
SSGSS Goku ~7.5(FnF)
SSGSS Vegeta ~7.4(FnF)
SSJG Goku(BOG) ~6
SSJ Goku(God Power - BOG) ~5.9
Saiyan beyond God Goku ~5.8(BOG/FnF)
Saiyan beyond God Vegeta(FnF)/Super Saiyan God Vegeta ~5.7*
Saiyan beyond God Goku (holding back -FnF) ~2
4th form/Original form Freeza ~0.9

*The beginner Super beyond God Vegeta I have at 5.5.

[Birusu16]

Promotional material for Fukkatsu no F indicates SSJGSSJ is stronger.

[Draconic]

In BoG, after Goku absorbs the god powers, we can still see that he is able to tap into that power and release all of it, but has no control over it. I think Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is just a transformation that allows him tap into his full power, thus making it equal (or even weaker) to a regular Super Saiyan God. The name and the promo material don't make sense, since Goku is called a Saiyan beyond God in FnF, though we know that he is weaker than SSJG, since he couldn't stop that ball Beerus threw, until he transformed.
SSJGSSJ is described as "Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God", which, I make it out to mean "instead of turning into a regular Super Saiyan and use my natural Ki, I turn into a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan so I can access my godly Ki". And this, in turn, makes me believe that at most SSJGSSJ is as strong as SSJG and at least (and more plausibly) that he is WEAKER in that form, since SSJG would work without the strain (minimal, of course, by now) that comes with turning into a SSJGSSJ. To put it simply, I think Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is an intermediary form between base and God, that CAN become stronger, once Goku masters all his god ki in base, thus making him as strong as SSJG in base form (which might be what we see in FnF, of course, but that doesn't explain to me why Goku would need to train with Whis).

[Low Tone G]

In BoG, after Goku absorbs the god powers, we can still see that he is able to tap into that power and release all of it, but has no control over it. I think Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is just a transformation that allows him tap into his full power, thus making it equal (or even weaker) to a regular Super Saiyan God. The name and the promo material don't make sense, since Goku is called a Saiyan beyond God in FnF, though we know that he is weaker than SSJG, since he couldn't stop that ball Beerus threw, until he transformed.
SSJGSSJ is described as "Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God", which, I make it out to mean "instead of turning into a regular Super Saiyan and use my natural Ki, I turn into a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan so I can access my godly Ki". And this, in turn, makes me believe that at most SSJGSSJ is as strong as SSJG and at least (and more plausibly) that he is WEAKER in that form, since SSJG would work without the strain (minimal, of course, by now) that comes with turning into a SSJGSSJ. To put it simply, I think Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is an intermediary form between base and God, that CAN become stronger, once Goku masters all his god ki in base, thus making him as strong as SSJG in base form (which might be what we see in FnF, of course, but that doesn't explain to me why Goku would need to train with Whis).

Why? To become stronger, simple!
On the other hand, you might possibly right using those assumptions. The Super Saiyan form that Goku used in Battle of Gods is a very bit weaker than his true Super Saiyan God form. So when Goku realized that he better use his normal Super Saiyan form to master his God powers he ultimately became a SSJGSSJ when he reached his formal, SSJ God's himself's level of strength, thus his Golden SSJ form changed to the blue version of it. In that way, with the training that Goku does under Whis his base hasn't really changed, but his gains can be tapped into his SSGSS form. So I think that SSJ God Goku's full power from B.O.G. is exactly the same as his SSJGSSJ power when he first achieved it. But we don't really know when did that occur, so his current SSJGSSJ state must be stronger than his SSJ-God's power from B.O.G.

[h0kuten]

The only reason Goku couldn't stop the ball Beerus threw is because of 2 reasons:

a) Beerus said Goku kept most of the SSJG power, but not all of it, so he was slightly weaker.
b) Gods can absorb Ki into their being at the expense of their own Ki, that is what happened there.

If Goku & Vegeta were weaker than Goku SSJG (BoG) than they would be below 60% of Beerus and Whiss' statement about the duo fighting and potentially beating Beerus wouldn't hold merit. The two are most definitely above 70% Beerus, which would make the scenario likely.

[Chuquita]

While I really appreciate Shueisha giving ssjg one last ride via Super; Blueper's probably the stronger power-up if only because it was introduced later. There's no precedent weaker forms being introduced after stronger forms (as far as I recall). At best, ssjg and blueper could potentially be about equal despite being powered by different stuff.
I say this as someone who vastly prefers (for Gokû at least) ssjg over blueper too.

[Truhan]

I don't think it's necessary to go in-depth in this case. The God ki was never Goku's, but it surrounded him and made him stronger. Goku absorbed and used it as a resource for power, but suppressing it due to his body having never experienced it. He transformed into SSJ to make up for the gap between him and whatever Beerus was using, and in RoF he unleashed it as a new transformation (back to having God ki surrounding you, only now it's blue). SSJG SSJ must be a stronger multiplier than SSJ to justify Goku using the former over the latter. He probably won't use SSJ2 or SSJ3, because he doesn't master them, and so he won't waste the God ki he absorbed.

[FortuneSSJ]

Another stupid rumour from people that can't think right.

SJG = Base God form.
SSJG = Super Saiyan with god ki.

Super Saiyan > Base form, always.
1 +1 = 2

Only because Toriyama said red was the strongest color, doesn't mean the form is stronger. And he said that in 2013...
He already explained that the new form is blue because Goku attained peace of mind and that's the best color to show it.

Following the flame pattern, blue flames are hotter too: Yellow < Red < Blue.
SSJG has more chances to beat Beerus than SJG ever had.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Super Saiyan > Base form, always.

Chou Gohan begs to disagree