Help finding Funi original dub of Ginyu-Frieza arc

[irrelevant_pelican]

Hello everyone. I'm trying to get my hands on Funimation's original dub of the Ginyu and Frieza sagas. As I understand, those sagas have been redubbed and are considered Funi's "real" versions. It's hard to find the original with the worse voices and the bad lines like "That's one whopper of a lizard!" and "Don't piss off the dragon of love!" which I don't believe are in the remastered versions.

I have found quite a lot on Amazon but I am missing some. Here's what I've found so far.


Episodes 54-56- starting with Ginyu assault. This is where Funi started their dub with their own in house cast rather than the Ocean crew.
http://www.amazon.com/Dragonball-Vol-18 ... 8574ZKC0W3


Episodes ??? (they aren't listed in the description). I'm not sure if this is the next DVD because the description offers no details. But I am assuming it comes next because it shows Goku in Ginyu's body, so it makes sense chronologically. This could potentially be episodes 57-59.

http://www.amazon.com/Dragonball-Captai ... iscussions



Episodes ??? (the description says 64-66, which is the same as the next one. This description is probably wrong because it has Porunga on the cover which happened before Frieza turned into his second form, and Frieza is in his second form on the next DVD. I'm making an educated guess saying this may be episodes 60-63, any verification would be appreciated.

http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Friez ... 113%2C160_


Episodes ??? (not sure, description says 64-66 starting with Fighting Power: One MIllion, but so does the last DVD in the sequence. This one is probably right because it shows second form Frieza fighting Piccolo)

http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Z-Fri ... 110%2C160_



Episodes 67-69
http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Z-Fri ... 113%2C160_


Episodes 70-72
http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Friez ... 107%2C160_


Episodes 73-75
http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Z-Fri ... ball+z+dvd


Episodes 76-78
http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Z-Fri ... 114%2C160_



Episodes 79-81
http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Friez ... 8574ZKC0W3


Episodes ??? nothing listed, but making an educated guess it could be 82-85.
http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Friez ... iscussions


Episodes 86-89
http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Friez ... 8574ZKC0W3


Episodes 90-92
http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Friez ... 8574ZKC0W3



I just wanted to ask, does it look like I got the right DVD's? The original crap Funi dub, not remastered? And are my educated guesses correct for the DVD's with no episode listings?

I appreciate any assistance.

[theoriginalbilis]

If those are the old FUNi DVD singles from 1999-2001, yeah, you got the right ones. You call tell they're the right ones if there's a splash near the bottom of the covers that says "Contains Two Versions".

There's also VHS releases with the exact same cover art that you can find for probably even cheaper as well., however those only contain the FUNi dub: no Japanese audio whatsoever.

[TheBlackPaladin]

There's also VHS releases with the exact same cover art that you can find for probably even cheaper as well., however those only contain the FUNi dub: no Japanese audio whatsoever.

And if I'm not mistaken, the VHS releases only contain the edited version of the English dub.

[irrelevant_pelican]

Hm... Edited would be even better! Haha my goal is to get it as close to how I originally saw it on Toonami all those years ago. Uncut is fine though, just want the crap first-draft dub work mostly.

[TheBlackPaladin]

Hm... Edited would be even better! Haha my goal is to get it as close to how I originally saw it on Toonami all those years ago. Uncut is fine though, just want the crap first-draft dub work mostly.

Ha, well, in that case, the VHS releases are the way to go, because they contain the dub exactly as it was aired on the after-school time block of Toonami, including the edited replacement dialogue created to replace dialogue that was deemed too "extreme" for kids who watched the after-school time block. Bare in mind, of course, I put quotation marks around that word for a reason.

The uncut dub found on the DVD singles you linked to has the dub as it aired on the "midnight run" of Toonami, where everything was visually uncut and where FUNimation used the more "extreme" (and, in some cases, even more poorly-written) dialogue. Whether you get the single DVDs or the VHSs, though, they don't have any of the re-dubbing that FUNimation did for the orange brick sets.

[thaman91]

Although keep in mind that some of the VHS releases are also uncut. So if you're looking for the edited version, make sure the VHS says "Edited" on it.

One thing you won't be able to find on any official release are the complete set of FUNi's next-episode-previews. The DVD/VHS singles only contain the preview on the last episode. But I guess it's not too big of a deal and the singles should be able to replicate most of your Toonami experience.

[Pokewhiz7]

Near I can tell, the edited VHS tapes make no mention on the cover of being edited. It's only the uncut tapes that specifically distinguish themselves by saying "uncut". But yes, if you want (most of) the next-episode-previews, or you want Dale Kelly's original narration during the Cell Games (the singles replace him with Kyle Hebert), you'll have to track down Toonami recordings.

[ABED]

The VHS of DBZ released in house by FUNi were released both uncut and edited. The one that is uncut is the one that's labeled "(Uncut)" and the edited tapes have just the title.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Didn't the DVD's of episode 1-67 of the Pioneer/Ocean dub have the Japanese setting?

[Tanooki Kuribo]

Didn't the DVD's of episode 1-67 of the Pioneer/Ocean dub have the Japanese setting?

Nope, they were edited to be suitable for 3 year olds. I don't think they'd be able to "read" a show.

[Gaffer Tape]

Well, simply because of all the visual edits, sped-up footage, and missing scenes, it would have been impossible to have branching audio tracks.

[ABED]

Didn't the DVD's of episode 1-67 of the Pioneer/Ocean dub have the Japanese setting?

I think they just took the VHS's and slapped them on the DVD's.

[TheBlackPaladin]

Didn't the DVD's of episode 1-67 of the Pioneer/Ocean dub have the Japanese setting?

I think what you might be thinking of are the uncut Ocean/Pioneer dubs of the first three movies. Yes, the DVDs that have the uncut dubs of the first three movies also have the original Japanese audio as an option, English subtitles included. They also feature the Japanese audio (with English subtitles) of a few scenes that were cut from from the edited dub of the TV series, which the DVD refers to as "deleted scenes."

The Pioneer-released DVDs of the TV series, however, don't have the Japanese audio track. Like Gaffer Tape said, there were too many changes to the visuals for the inclusion of the Japanese audio track to be practical. A pity, too, because Barry Watson once said that Pioneer would be working on an uncut dub of the TV series with the Ocean cast, though it's highly probable that he misspoke.

[ABED]

Didn't the DVD's of episode 1-67 of the Pioneer/Ocean dub have the Japanese setting?

I think what you might be thinking of are the uncut Ocean/Pioneer dubs of the first three movies. Yes, the DVDs that have the uncut dubs of the first three movies also have the original Japanese audio as an option, English subtitles included. They also feature the Japanese audio (with English subtitles) of a few scenes that were cut from from the edited dub of the TV series, which the DVD refers to as "deleted scenes."

The Pioneer-released DVDs of the TV series, however, don't have the Japanese audio track. Like Gaffer Tape said, there were too many changes to the visuals for the inclusion of the Japanese audio track to be practical. A pity, too, because Barry Watson once said that Pioneer would be working on an uncut dub of the TV series with the Ocean cast, though it's highly probable that he misspoke.

I remember reading that. I even recall a weird rumor that the DVD containing the episodes where Goku arrives to fight Nappa would also contain the JPN episodes. I can't believe it's been over 16 years.

Anyway, as to the original questions, the dvd singles will have the original dub, although, wasn't there still reversioning for some of those discs? I recall someone saying there was a different narrator and voice for Dende on some of the DVDs than in the broadcast versions. However, that's around the Cell arc so that shouldn't be a problem here.

[dougo13]

I'm in the process of going through tapes again and came upon several tapes from the mid 1990s. There is a tape listed only as 1997 Dragonball Z. No idea of the contents. Another appears to be from 1995 with listed episode #14 " Oolong the Terrible" as a title. There is another 1997 tape listing the episodes The Return of Goku, Goku Strikes Back, Goku vs. Vegita...a Saiyan Duel and Vegita Saiyan Style. These were probably recorded from the original YTV broadcasts in Canada for the listed years. The search continues...

Oops. Found another 1995 tape with episode #1 "The Secret of the Dragon Ball" on it. Still looking...

[usotsuki]

I got a contact of mine looking through his CN NZ rips and R4AUs looking for original footage that I don't have, so I can reconstruct the most complete version of the original dub as originally produced. (Not going into the details of my project here, there's other forums where that's more appropriate...right?)

I do have at least some of the R1s (stuff didn't always survive me moving three times between 2010 and 2011) and have been collecting previews and such, there's some guy on another site that shared old Toonami tapes, and there's the guy I know in New Zealand. I don't know just how much I can get my hands on at this point.

The point of my project isn't piracy, although that's a necessary side effect. (How else would it see the light of day?) But to prove that it wasn't impossible, I recreated the Garlic Jr. arc, including rebuilding the OPED entirely from scratch (except the logo), keeping only the episode title cards (or rather, two frames of the title cards). I've also rebuilt a few other things which haven't made it out into the open.

Again, it's about preservation, not piracy - since this version "doesn't" exist anymore.

Confirming, btw, that at least up to episode 155/140 the original narration is still used; but occasionally "stay tuned..." is mixed out.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

I believe that on toonami DBZ WAS uncut and the VHS sets were for over concerned parents. So if you want it as it was on toonami,buy the funi singles DVD or uncut VHS sets. Then it went from uncut to ultimate uncut sets which were the red and blue dvds and then finally they had uncut with cursing via orange brick sets to now.

[Gaffer Tape]

No. The Toonami broadcasts (with the exception of the UUEs years later) were not uncut. They were the same as the edited tapes. The only way to see the uncut version was to shell out the extra five bucks (or however much it was) to buy the uncut tapes.

[TheGreatness25]

I don't know, the only thing that Toonami didn't show was nudity and the only difference in audio (from what I could tell) between cut and uncut are names like "hell" and "Mister Satan." I don't recall nudity or either "hell" or "Satan" being mentioned in the Ginyu or Freeza arcs. Even in the uncut DVDs, they didn't start using "hell" (as a sign of aggravation), "damn," "crap," and "bastard" until the Ultimate Uncut and redub.

What I'm saying is that it really shouldn't matter which version (edited or uncut) you get because they're pretty much the same in those early days. The only thing that comes to mind is that Freeza spearing through Kuririn was a bit censored on Toonami.

Here's the rule of thumb: Anything that was released before the Orange Bricks has the original version. The redub is in the Orange Bricks, Dragon Boxes, and Blu-Rays. other than that, you're good.

It's funny, I have the original single DVDs and LOVE to pop them in every now and then and just feel the nostalgia. What I really love to do is pop in the last couple of episodes from Saban's dub and lead into the very first episodes of the FUNimation in-house dub. It just takes me back to, what I will forever remember as, Z-Day.



Just to help you out,

DOUBLE CROSS has episodes 57-60. THE SUMMONING has episodes 61-63. TRANSFORMATION has episodes 64-66. ELEVENTH HOUR has episodes 83-85.

The list of all of them goes as follows:

Captain Ginyu - Ginyu Assault
http://www.amazon.com/Dragonball-Vol-18 ... yu+assault

Captain Ginyu - Double Cross
http://www.amazon.com/Dragonball-Captai ... uble+cross

Frieza - The Summoning
http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Z-Fri ... +summoning

Frieza - Transformation
http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Z-Fri ... sformation

Frieza - Revealed
http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Z-Fri ... a+revealed

Frieza - Death of a Prince
http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Friez ... f+a+prince

Frieza - Clash
http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Z-Fri ... ieza+clash

Frieza - Desperation
http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Z-Fri ... esperation

Frieza - Super saiyan Goku
http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Friez ... n+goku+dvd

Frieza - Eleventh Hour
http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Friez ... venth+hour

Frieza - Fall of a Tyrant
http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Friez ... ant+frieza

Frieza - Namek's End
http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Ball-Friez ... ek%27s+end

That last DVD covers up until the episode where the gang finds out that Goku doesn't want to come back home.


Here's a VHS box set of the "Frieza Saga"
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dragon-Ball-Z-T ... 2359d84ae1



Hope my post helped you out.

[TheBlackPaladin]

As mentioned before, when FUNimation began their in-house dub, the differences between the edited and uncut versions were fairly minimal. However, if one goes to this site and reference episode 63 and onward (since that's the episode when the in-house dub began), you'll see a reasonably decent analysis of what was cut and changed between the two versions.

As an example, in episode 64...

This is the first instance of a very interesting Season 3 phenomenon: dialogue changes from the Uncut (videotape) version to the cut (TV) version in order to clean up anything that might be construed as offensive.

In this case, Bahta says "Bite me!" in the uncut video, and "Turkey!" on the CN airing.

Oh man....I'm so, so, so glad things have improved as much as they have since the Dark Ages of the early days.