Power of Babidi's henchmen

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Power of Babidi's henchmen

Post by precita » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:39 am

We know Dabura was about as strong as Cell, but what about the rest of them?

Pui Pui, Yakon, and Spopovitch?

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Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen

Post by Berserker1921 » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:47 am

Pui Pui and Yokon are easily between Ginyu to 25% frieza final form. Spovich is some where between early dragon ball krillin to early stage goku.

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Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen

Post by Blackstripe » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:33 am

Pui Pui is about 10,000,000 or so. People put too much into that gravity thing. If you've never fought/trained in heavier gravity, it will throw off your movements. Pui Pui didn't expect it to HURT Vegeta.

Yakon needs to be strong enough to curbstomp whoever beat Pui Pui, that was his purpose. He sucked up all of Gokuu's Super Saiyan energy, too, and it took a burst of SSJ2 to make him explode. I'd say he was above Semi-Perfect Cell.

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Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen

Post by Pantalones » Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:48 pm

The power levels of Pui Pui and Yakon are going to vary depending on where you put the base Saiyans, since there's really no "official" level for the base Saiyans at that point.

Yakon was in the range of the strongest base Saiyans, or slightly above them at best -- Goku was able to keep up with him fairly well even without going Super Saiyan (despite being unable to see in the dark, and probably unable to sense Yakon's ki very well if at all considering how there were comments that Spopovich and Yamu had a weird feeling about them, like nobody could sense any life in them at all... and if I remember right Goku even mentions tracking him by the sound of his movements or something along those lines), and Gohan was convinced that the two of them would definitely be able to win if they fought him together.

Pui Pui was... somewhere well below the base Saiyans (enough that Vegeta could crush him pretty much effortlessly once he got serious), and significantly weaker than Yakon.

Considering Beerus' statement of base Goku still being weaker than Freeza several years after the Buu saga, the absolute maximum power I'd feel okay with giving to Yakon would be a little bit below 100% Freeza's level, and even that's pushing it a little. He's definitely not anywhere close to any form of Cell... he literally can't be that strong unless you're going to completely disregard Goku being able to fight him in base-form and/or throw out Beerus' statement that the base Saiyans (as of the beginning of Battle of Gods/Super) hadn't yet surpassed Freeza.

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Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen

Post by Blackstripe » Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:58 pm

Pantalones wrote:Considering Beerus' statement of base Goku still being weaker than Freeza several years after the Buu saga, the absolute maximum power I'd feel okay with giving to Yakon would be a little bit below 100% Freeza's level, and even that's pushing it a little. He's definitely not anywhere close to any form of Cell... he literally can't be that strong unless you're going to completely disregard Goku being able to fight him in base-form and/or throw out Beerus' statement that the base Saiyans (as of the beginning of Battle of Gods/Super) hadn't yet surpassed Freeza.
Gokuu's "fight" against Yakon in base consisted of him thinking he could handle him, and then getting his shirt sliced open. We don't know if it would've been an even fight or not if they had continued to go at it like that. Fact is, Gokuu needed a burst of SSJ2 to destroy Yakon.

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Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen

Post by Darkprince410 » Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:27 pm

Blackstripe wrote:
Gokuu's "fight" against Yakon in base consisted of him thinking he could handle him, and then getting his shirt sliced open. We don't know if it would've been an even fight or not if they had continued to go at it like that. Fact is, Gokuu needed a burst of SSJ2 to destroy Yakon.
According to Gohan, if he and Goku fought against Yakon, they wouldn't need to transform into Super Saiya-jin at all. Goku only needed a burst of Super Saiya-jin 2 to overwhelm his light-feeding ability. Goku's own actions and behavior suggests he didn't need Super Saiya-jin when he transformed, but only transformed in order to emit light so he could see Yakon (not that he needed to see him).

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Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:30 pm

I consider Pocus around Android arc SS Vegeta and Yakon stronger than Android #17, personally. Just my arbitrary placements.

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Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen

Post by precita » Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:19 pm

I don't like considering them stronger than Freeza. Makes no sense.

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Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:38 pm

Pui-Pui=Saiyan Saga Vegeta + Bobbidi's mind control power-up=Around 4 million
Yakon=Enough to scare Kaioshin. Not sure.
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Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen

Post by Blade » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:37 pm

I'd put Pui-Pui around Captain Ginyu level. He's clearly an elite warrior in his own right, and a top underling by the measure of the galactic standard. Obviously, however, this makes him nothing for Vegeta to handle. As to why Supreme Kai is concerned about him is anybody's guess - I suppose he's just more worried about Vegeta, as at that point, Vegeta had been concealing his power and has yet to demonstrate his ability to transform into a Super Saiyan.

Yakon is a lot stronger. Without going Super Saiyan, I think Goku would be in trouble - but the fact that it just so happened to demonstrate Yakon's weakness meant that he powered up far beyond the level that he'd need to in order to beat him conventionally. I'd put him as high as final form Freeza (not sure about his 50% power, though.)

Comparisons to Cell are popular for Dabura because of those statements in the Manga, but I tend to rank him a little higher. Goku and Vegeta both agree that their initial estimation of him was a little bit of an underestimation, but they both think he's beatable nonetheless - so he's clearly not much stronger than Cell was, if at all.
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Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen

Post by DanielSSJ » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:39 pm

I don't think any of his minions (except Dabura) would measure up to what Freeza was capable of. Pui Pui would be around Captain Ginyu's level at best. Yakon is about 80% of what Freeza was at full power.
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Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen

Post by Wizard Sesame » Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:47 am

I have Spopovich at around Bacterian/Ranfan, Yamu at about Nam, Pocus between Ginyu and first form Frieza, and Yakon between 25 and 50% Frieza. Dabura I have as a little below Perfect Cell, but greater than Semi-Perfect.

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Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen

Post by Blade » Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:04 am

Wizard Sesame wrote:I have Spopovich at around Bacterian/Ranfan, Yamu at about Nam.
I'm not so sure about that. By the Buu arc, the in-Universe power scaling had gone pretty awry. Videl is clearly a lot stronger than the likes of Nam by way of her ability of flight alone.
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Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen

Post by Wizard Sesame » Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:45 am

Blade wrote:I'm not so sure about that. By the Buu arc, the in-Universe power scaling had gone pretty awry. Videl is clearly a lot stronger than the likes of Nam by way of her ability of flight alone.
Yeah, but Videl would have literally killed Spopovich like twice or thrice if he wasn't empowered by Babidi. However, I did just reread the chapter again, yeah, his attacks have more power than what Bacterian would probably be able to muster, but since I don't have Videl as high as you seemingly do, I guess I would have to push Spopovich up a bit: still in the 21st/22nd Budokai tier, but not as low as Bacterian.

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Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen

Post by Khin » Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:54 am

I see them all as half weaker than the past villains.

Dabra = 50% Super Perfect Cell level or Perfect Cell level.

Yakon = 50% Final Form Freeza level.

Pocus = 50% Great Ape Vegeta level.

It wouldnt make sense if a guy like Yakon will be stronger than Freeza.Beerus' reaction when he learnt that Goku killed Freeza make it looks like Freeza is the strongest mortal being around.

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Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen

Post by Darkprince410 » Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:10 am

SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:I see them all as half weaker than the past villains.

Dabra = 50% Super Perfect Cell level or Perfect Cell level.
Having Dabra at only 50% of Cell's strength wouldn't make sense in regards to Goku's comment that Dabra would be around Cell's strength, and then commented later that he was "tougher" than he previously thought.

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Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen

Post by Son Edo » Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:39 am

Pui Pui - could be anywhere ranging from Raditz to Freeza. I have him with a battle power of one million.

Yakon - Superior to the regular Saiyans, Gohan wanted to team up on him without going Super Saiyan.

Spopovich - No idea.

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Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:59 pm

Pui Pui - First Form Freeza Level

Yakon - Piccolo (Post Fusion w/Nail) Level

Spopovich - His BP isn't in the double digit region

Yamu - Same as Spopovich

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Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:31 pm

I like to assume they were supposed to represent the previous villains:

Pui Pui = Oozaru Vegeta (alternatively, equal to regular Saiyan arc Vegeta; and Cui, who he shares a lot of similarities with)

Yakon = Final Form Freeza (not the bulky one, the ~70% power version)

Dabra = Perfect Cell (either on par with the Cell that fought Goku, or rivaling Super Perfect Cell; I think Gohan was a SS2, so I go with the latter)

Spopovich, on the other hand, never struck me as any stronger (just more resilient) than Videl. Who herself wasn't much stronger than Mr. Satan, and still dies to pistol bullets. Goku at the very beginning of the series could beat up both of them at the same time.
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Re: Power of Babidi's henchmen

Post by precita » Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:40 pm

For Yakon, don't you think its weird an alien would be just as strong as Freeza but nobody in the universe would know about him? At least with Dabura he's from a Demon World so its understandable why there was no mention of his power, but Yakon?

They built up Freeza as being the strongest in the universe besides Majin Buu, so it really bugs me when people just as strong as Freeza pop out of nowhere. At least the Androids hadn't been created yet so that explains them.

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