Death Battles: Vegeta Vs Shadow

[BrolyLSSJ]

Who would actually win??

[Daisetsu]

If Shadow didn't waste his time with his Super form, he would undoubtedly win. Otherwise, Vegeta all the way (even with Chaos Control and all that).

[BrolyLSSJ]

They didnt even use the Archie Sonic version of Shadow....

[Nightmare Wheel]

Shadow really isn't even in the same league. It's rather telling that Super Shadow could still get knocked around hy lasers and rubble in the final boss fights of SA2 and his game. Vegeta would have absolutely no problem pinning him down until the invincibility wore off.

[BrolyLSSJ]

Shadow really isn't even in the same league. It's rather telling that Super Shadow could still get knocked around hy lasers and rubble in the final boss fights of SA2 and his game. Vegeta would have absolutely no problem pinning him down until the invincibility wore off.

Archie Shadow > Vegeta

[Soppa Saia People]

Every fighting DB character > every Sonic character. I'm sorry but it's no contest, DB characters are faster, stronger and don't have the worst fanbase (that ruined hedgehogs for me). By the 2nd saga, they were moving to fast for the naked eye and they only get faster! Also DB characters can go Super Saiyan in a instant, unlike Sonic characters, who need 7 emeralds.

[fadeddreams5]

If the super forms from the chaos emeralds didn't have a time limit, Super Shadow might win. After all, he's pretty much invincible and can use his chaos control to gain any speed advantage he may still lack. Then again, it's been shown in some battles that strong enough adversaries can damage the super forms (or sap their energy/rings). Hell, in Sonic Unleashed, we see Eggman drain Super Sonic of his powers. And earlier, in Sonic 3, Knuckles flat out knocked the chaos emeralds out of Super Sonic. lol. No Sonic character stands a chance against a DBZ one.

Not sure about the Archie verse. I don't follow that.

[dbzfan7]

I can answer this. It all depends on which Shadow you use. If you use Archie Shadow...well....he's rebooted so I have no idea where he is at now. If we go pre reboot, we could argue Archie Shadow as the victor.

However this was strictly game Shadow vs Vegeta. Vegeta stomps hard. Outside of Super Form, Shadow can't really do shit to Vegeta. People always like to try and bullshit that Shadow can last weeks or whatever as Super Shadow and cite Sonic Advance. Then they ignore Sonic Advance 2 where Sonic's Super Form runs out at a crucial moment while saving Vanilla. So no he can't hold it for weeks. Shadow is much slower and so much weaker than Vegeta it's not even funny. His guns are useless and he can't really damage him at all in base.

Super Form is all Shadow has, and all it does is delay the inevitable. There has never been a real source that says Super Form is light speed in Sonic stuff, but the closest to that is smash 4 saying Super Sonic is near the speed of light. You can still argue he is around there. Shadow at best has the speed and tank advantage for a short while. He's more likely faster than Vegeta, but much weaker and far less skilled. All Vegeta has to really do is outlast Shadow, which isn't a problem.

People like to say Shadow can teleport Vegeta into the sun or something like that, but when has he done anything close to teleporting something across a celestial body? If it were that simple he'd have teleported a bunch of people into the sun and be done with them. Super Shadow's destructive capacity was also not as good as simply using the Eclipse Canon. Hence Shadow used it, instead of just destroying the Black Comet as Super Shadow.

Lastly people bullshit the whole Solaris thing to try and say Shadow can be everywhere across time or some bullshit like that. I believe one of the Death Battle Fan Blog/research team guys debunked this hard so I'll source him.

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I'm probably going to regret this...

For starters, the video is private. We can't see it. "Who says Shadow can't do it either?" Well, Sonic Adventure 2 has him preventing the planet from blowing up and not destroying the Space Station that is smaller. Or Chaos Controlling it alone. The ending you posted that suggested he needs the Chaos Emeralds to do so. The fact those endings are not canon since there is only one true ending for Shadow the Hedgehog. Base to Base, Shadow can not beat Vegeta. Shadow maybe faster, but strength and durability belongs to Vegeta.

"Think about it. If it takes just ONE super hedgehog to defeat omnipresent, immortal being"... I'm gonna stop you right there. Because it didn't take one. It took three. They had to defeat Solaris at the same time to destroy him. And yes the same time, because Solaris was messing up the timeline, thus why Silver was back there despite last seen in the future. Time was collapsing in on itself so the Past, Present and Future were all happening at once.

No help? Then why are Rouge and Omega were there? That was to imply, because the story the three have been through, that they would be Shadow's aid. So while you'll see the part of Shadow driving through them, you won't see the full fight, which may or may not have Rouge and Omega helping Shadow. So you can't really claim he defeated Mephiles on his own.

Also the idea of the Mephiles Clones being as strong as him is foolish to believe. I read the entire script and he never said "perfect Clones". The word perfect has never been used in the game. And to claim he doesn't get tired after removing the Inhibitor Rings ignores the numerous other times he did. For starters, Sonic Adventure 2. And that was with Super Shadow and their ability to fully restore.

You do know exactly how far he could Chaos Control an object. You can't claim he can do it without his Super Form without proof. Sure, he can Chaos Control that WITH the emeralds. How far without them? Your link to the dictionary website is messed up. Secondly, there is no "similar words to this" with those. Third, you know why those words are similar? Because they have the same concepts of removing a basic human concept.

That's why they're similar to each other and not synonymous with each other (having the same or nearly the same meaning as another word or phrase in the same language). Immortality does not mean you're indestructible. It also does not come with a Healing Factor. If you get blown up as an Immortal, you're staying blown up. You'll be alive, but pretty much wishing for death. So if Shadow gets Vaporized, that's it. Immortal or not, he's dust.

In short, you didn't really convince me that Shadow can defeat Vegeta. You assume a lot with no real proof. What proof you supposedly have is not available. And the proof you did show are either not really proof or using leaps of faith. Shadow needed the Emeralds to even have a chance against Vegeta. And without them, there is nothing he can do against him. And those Emeralds, in all canon, has a time limit.

[Soppa Saia People]

If the super forms from the chaos emeralds didn't have a time limit, Super Shadow might win. After all, he's pretty much invincible and can use his chaos control to gain any speed advantage he may still lack. Then again, it's been shown in some battles that strong enough adversaries can damage the super forms (or sap their energy/rings). Hell, in Sonic Unleashed, we see Eggman drain Super Sonic of his powers. And earlier, in Sonic 3, Knuckles flat out knocked the chaos emeralds out of Super Sonic. lol. No Sonic character stands a chance against a DBZ one.

Not sure about the Archie verse. I don't follow that.

Which is funny considering how much of a pussy he is when you fight in lava reef zone.

[BrolyLSSJ]

Every fighting DB character > every Sonic character. I'm sorry but it's no contest, DB characters are faster, stronger and don't have the worst fanbase (that ruined hedgehogs for me). By the 2nd saga, they were moving to fast for the naked eye and they only get faster! Also DB characters can go Super Saiyan in a instant, unlike Sonic characters, who need 7 emeralds.

Yes the comics ARE canon....

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Stronger??? No
Faster?? NOPE!
Universe-Multi-universe busters
DB has a fanbase i would say is 86% worst......

[Daisetsu]

Okay, one, put large pictures in spoilers and two, the comic was rebooted after the first Mega Man crossover, so everything before that point is non-canon (heck, I'm pretty sure Ian Flynn has even said something to that effect).

[fadeddreams5]

The Archie comics follow a completely different continuity than the games.

And the Sonic fanbase is notoriously bad--hands down the worst I have ever encountered. Everyone is at war with one another because the series is so incredibly inconsistent, and the majority of fans who eat the crap up are the ones who complain about how much the games suck.

At least the DB fanbase actually like the series they support. lol.

[BrolyLSSJ]

Both are canon re-boot or not as feats are feats.

[Daisetsu]

The pre-reboot stuff is only canon in that, yes, it happened. Beyond that, it literally does not matter what kind of feats or whatever happened since the new universe is much closer to the games and thus has a completely different set of rules for each character, in terms of power/strength/etc.

[BrolyLSSJ]

The pre-reboot stuff is only canon in that, yes, it happened. Beyond that, it literally does not matter what kind of feats or whatever happened since the new universe is much closer to the games and thus has a completely different set of rules for each character, in terms of power/strength/etc.

It does matter any feats within a debate is usuable if that certain character is being used.
Movie Broly=/=Game Broly
Manga Vegeta=/=Anime Vegeta

[Soppa Saia People]

Every fighting DB character > every Sonic character. I'm sorry but it's no contest, DB characters are faster, stronger and don't have the worst fanbase (that ruined hedgehogs for me). By the 2nd saga, they were moving to fast for the naked eye and they only get faster! Also DB characters can go Super Saiyan in a instant, unlike Sonic characters, who need 7 emeralds.

Yes the comics ARE canon....







Stronger??? No
Faster?? NOPE!
Universe-Multi-universe busters
DB has a fanbase i would say is 86% worst......

Meh. To me all I see are some writers wanking Sonic characters (not Mega Man cause he's a SUPER FIGHTING ROBOT)
Also funny joke about the fanbase, atleast the DB fanbase don't make me be ashamed to be apart of it. (I'm not
posting on this topic, again, ever. I don't want to lose my temper on this and risk getting a strike, On a franchise I hate and don't care about. So don't bother responding to me on this topic).

[BrolyLSSJ]

Writings wanking......explain the existence of Super then? serious fan service and straight bad writing from akira.

[dbzfan7]

Continuities can not be interchanged unless the topic is about say a composite character. The comics were used more as backstories in these vids, rather than being used for feats. So it's pick and choose which continuity to go with. Hence during Mega Man vs Astro Boy, none of the Archie Comics were really used beyond just for back story.

In this case if your picking Archie continuity you have to ask which one? The pre or post reboot. Things like the chaos force, Enerjak, Scourge, etc do not exist anymore. Said either by Ian Flynn, or the law suit with Penders that actively got rid of a ton of extra's. So just like how Pre Crisis Superman is ignored for all things Post Crisis/New 52, so is Archie unless that specific period is the one being included.

The comics are canon to themselves. They are "A" canon. Those previous events were once canon, but no longer are they canon. Depending on the topic they can be used or not. The comics are not canon to the games though. There is no Sally. There is no Freedom Fighters. There is no Enerjak. There is no Mobius. There is no ancient society that makes Tails a beef cake super god after he merges with his other multi-verse selves XD. The comics are their own canon and can not be mixed into the games canon unless we're asking for a composite character. Otherwise I can say Sonic Boom is also canon so Knuckles is actually retarded.

Going by the research team and how I believe they have said that the comics were only used as background information and not for feats. The Death Battle was pretty much strictly game Shadow vs Vegeta. Between those two Vegeta stomps badly. Pre Archie Shadow could probably beat Vegeta. Post Archie I have no idea since the rules are different now as no chaos force, and no tons of emeralds everywhere.

[Soppa Saia People]

Writings wanking......explain the existence of Super then? serious fan service and straight bad writing from akira.

(I know I said I wasn't posting here again but because it's about DB and not Sonic I think I'll be fine)
1. Don't call him "akira", that's pretty rude and disrespectful (in my opinion)
2. DB characters have been nerfed, remember when Vegtea had to angle his final flash so it didn't destroy earth ? I highly doubt something like that will happen in Super.

[BrolyLSSJ]

Pre Genesis since of the more feats.