Timeline for Super?

[dbgtFO]

Right - I knew it must have been somewhere.
While I understand the logic of your statement, part of me figures that, having "revised" both movies for the series, any and all information from said films has been reneged and anything that is common to both has, in fact, just been assimilated into a new Super timeline.

As a matter of fact the movies themselves don't state when they are supposed to take place. Only in BoG we know it's after they met Tarble, which was back in the Yo Son Goku special, which specifically stated it took place 2 years after Majin Buu's defeat.
Guidebooks and official websites filled in the blanks.

Pan is the key.

Well obviously, but that wasn't the point.

[immakillya]

There's no official timeline for Super and there's nothing about when the arcs or films take place beyond the years.

This has been my rough timeline for Super's new version of events, based on the film's general placements and supplemental info.

Spoiler:

• May 9th, AGE 774
  --Majin Buu is defeated.
  • [Note: None needed.]
  August 16th - 17th, AGE 778
  --Videl becomes pregnant.
  • [Note: Pan is said to still be 4 years old by the time the 28th Tenka'ichi Budokai is held on May 7th, AGE 784. Assuming Videl has an exact 38 week pregnancy, this is the earliest point in which Videl may have become pregnant before the Super Saiyan God ritual. It's a very small window for this whole thing to work. Of course, not all pregnancies work out perfectly, so there could be a buffer of a couple of days.]
  August 18th, AGE 778
  --Hakaishin Beerus awakens and crashes Bluma's birthday party in search of the Super Saiyan God.
  • [Note: Bluma's birthday is from an old issue of Jump.]
  November, AGE 778
  --Vegeta convinces Whis to train him.
  • [Note: In Episode 17, Bluma says Whis usually comes around every 1-2 months. During Episode 16, Whis says it's been awhile since he last saw Vegeta and that he doesn't tire of Earth's food no matter how often he visits. So I'm assuming a decent amount of time has passed, so I'm saying around 3 months, with at least two visits.]
  May 8th - 9th, AGE 779
  --Gohan and Videl's daughter Pan is born.
  • [Note: Pan is said to still be 4 years old by the time the 28th Tenka'ichi Budokai is held at May 7th, AGE 784. Assuming Videl has an exact 38 week pregnancy, this is the latest that Pan can be born without being overdue. It's a very small window for this whole thing to work. Of course, not all pregnancies work out perfectly, so there could be a buffer of a couple of days.]
  June, AGE 779
  --It's discussed how Pan will be raised, and Goku learns Vegeta is training with Whis.
  • [Note: Bluma says that Vegeta has been gone for over half a year without coming home. Gohan also says that Pan isn't a newborn, and is able to hold her head up, which is something that happens around a month after their birth. The 7 month range stated here fits both requirements.]
  June - July, AGE 779
  --Goku convinces Whis to train him.
  • [Note: In Episode 17, Bluma says Whis usually comes around every 1-2 months. I'm going to assume it's one or less, for the sake of fitting everything else in the rest of the year.]
  July - August, AGE 779
  --Champa and Vados are searching for Super Dragon Balls.
  • [Note: Given the plot elements of the Champa Arc and the teases in the Super Start Guide (and a scene or two in the anime), they've been there since before the Beerus battle. This is the first time we actually see them though.]
  --Sorbet and Tagoma travel to Earth and resurrect Freeza with the Dragon Balls.
  • [Note: In conjunction with the below entry, this is as far back as we can go for Freeza's resurrection to not have happened yet in Super Episode #17, but still have room for him to train for 4 months. This can also mean the resurrection can happen a year after the events of the Beerus battle. So there could be no need to worry about the rules and logic for the Dragon Balls.]
  October - December, AGE 779
  --Freeza arrives on Earth to carry out his revenge.
  • [Note: Freeza arrives ~4 months after his resurrection, so it's just the whole range.]
  --Champa meets up with Beerus, who is on his way to Earth for the dessert Bluma promised him and Whis.
  • [Note: Champa's second appearance in the anime.]
  July - August, AGE 780
  --Champa and Beerus agree to hold an Invitational Tournament for the fate of Earth.
  • [Note: The Dragon Balls are used to try and locate the last Super Dragon Ball, meaning this has to be at least a year after Freeza's resurrection.]
  ~~~~
  
  May 7th, AGE 784
  --Goku meets Uub, Buu's reincarnation, at the 28th Tenka'ichi Budokai.
  • [Note: So long as the original ending isn't retconned out of existence, this is when it should take place..]

**The manga adaptation doesn't include the Shenlong summoning to find the Super Dragon Ball, so it could still be in AGE 779 the next day after Golden Freeza's defeat without a problem.

The 5 year line is pretty much null for the anime at this point (it can still possibly work for the Super manga adaptation though). Not that it really matters. The line isn't all that important in the grand scheme of things. We should be worrying more about whether they'll remember Bra in time to have her born in the little time left for AGE 780. If she isn't already conceived between Episodes 27 and 28, that's a bigger hiccup (unless they don't want to follow the bigger supplemental material elements...though they still did with Pan's birth).

Shenlong has been summoned early three times, two of which were special circumstances.
--The first was at the very beginning of the series, when Toriyama's math only added up to 8 months passing between the Pilaf and Red Ribbon Arcs instead of a year.
--The second was after Piccolo Daimao's defeat, when Kami made a special exception to restore Shenlong after Daimao killed him and allow him to grant a wish.
--The third was during the Freeza Arc, when Kami and Piccolo were revived from death. It either allowed Shenlong to recharge early for some reason (or Kami reenergized him again).

What five year line? i dont remember any line from the movies or anime that said anything about 5 years...

[TheDevilsCorpse]

What five year line? i dont remember any line from the movies or anime that said anything about 5 years...

You didn't need to quote the whole post for that...

Anyway, at the end of the series (manga/Z anime) when Vegeta and Bluma go visit Goku and Goten as they train for the 28th Tenka'ichi Budokai, she mentions not having see Goku for 5 years. Everyone else got together for whatever the event was originally supposed to be, but Goku was too busy training.

It's a pretty throwaway line of very little significance. Even as much as I like timelines and continuity, it doesn't bug me, but it's apparently a big deal for some.

[Makai]

I still wouldn't worry just yet. The way they've been teasing at Bulma and Vegeta lately makes me think Bra will be born pretty soon. And about the five yer line, they've showed how Goku and Vegeta were spending a lot of time on Beerus' planet training, so it's possible that once this Champa arc is over, they'll go back to training for a long time, and won't see each other. Either way it was still a throwaway line, really wouldn't matter if they retcon'd it or not.

[ChaosLordBrandon]

Yeah like why do people act like that line is extremely important or something? Or it can't be removed or retcon? people are acting like that line was important as the ssj transformations or something.

[Speedster]

Ok I watched again episode 3 with the most reliable fan subs I know. Perhaps Herms can confirm- I can't seem to find episode 3 fact checker anymore – apparently alongside episode summaries everything related was moved to dedicated pages but without the fact checker notes. Anyhow this is what the subtitles say:

Beerus: Super Saiyan God…since he’s called God, I suppose he must be a deity. Man, what a bother…
Whis: But Beerus-sama…There does not exist anyone called “Super Saiyan God” or anything along those lines.
Beerus: The Saiyans might know something. Hmm? But didn't Freeza destroy Planet Vegeta, where the Saiyans were?
Whis: Yes, it was you who asked him to do that while you were sleeping, wasn’t it?
Beerus: Well, they pissed me off.

Now hang on for a second. Beerus slumber was 39 years long. And the destruction of planet Vegeta took place during his sleep. So the earliest the destruction of Planet Vegeta can be placed is immediately after Beerus went to sleep. If BoGs indeed takes place in Age778 as this BoG's movie related website says it means that the earliest possible destruction for Planet Vegeta is Age 739. But we know this can't be true as according to the anime lore (and that very same website) this happened in Age 737. So if you add 39 years to 737 it means that the latest BoGs can take place is in Age 776.

Of course if you take Dragonball Minus into the equation Goku was 3 years old when he was sent to Earth and given Goku was born in Age 737 the Destruction of Planet Vegeta could have happened in Age 740 i.e. a year after Beerus went to sleep if you assume that Age 778 is when indeed BoGs takes place.

[Khin]

It seems very illogical to me that Super takes place around 5 years after Boo.I mean why would it take around 5 years for the Grand Prize of defeating Boo ? Or Vegeta granting Trunks's wish of them going to the amusement part takes around 5 years ? Timeline is quite messy.But i'm starting to believe the 6 months thing.That way,it also makes sense why Maron,Goten and Trunks are still kids.Though it will also contradict many things especially in EOZ.'

[Kuririn Fan]

It can't be 6 months because of Pan's birth. There's no reason for Super not to be set in the same time frame as movies - 4/5 years after Boo.

[Power Metal]

Had to bump this thread to try make some more sense of the timeline and time traveling.
So, F. Trunks travels back in time 17 years right?
Meaning he came from Age 797? (Assuming Super is taking place in Age 780 currently.)
Then, for F. Trunks, its only been 9 years since he killed F. Cell (Age 788), so the folks in the Super timeline have experienced more passage of time (13 years, give or take) than him, right?

It beckons the question of why he chose that specific year (again assuming it is 780) to travel to. In the future timeline, Age 780 also happens to be the year F. Gohan was killed. I could be reading way to deep into it but it would make an interesting parallel between the timelines if Gohan is also killed in the Super timeline.


On an unrelated side note, it would be cool to see if Tarble came to Earth in the future timeline and found his nephew instead of Vegeta.

[Grimlock]

Yeah, I had already thought about Tarble appearing in Future Trunks' timeline, that would be awesome and a relief for Trunks to know that he has a relative alive out there.

[dbgtFO]

Had to bump this thread to try make some more sense of the timeline and time traveling.
So, F. Trunks travels back in time 17 years right?
Meaning he came from Age 797? (Assuming Super is taking place in Age 780 currently.)
Then, for F. Trunks, its only been 9 years since he killed F. Cell (Age 788), so the folks in the Super timeline have experienced more passage of time (13 years, give or take) than him, right?

1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Yes and no. It has indeed been 9 years since Trunks killed Cell, but the folks in the Super timeline have not experienced more passage of time, as you left out the 3 years(narrator specifically states over 3 years) between Trunks' final return to his timeline, where he killed off #17 and #18 and his fight with Cell.
So round some years up or down and you should end on pretty much the same passage of time(12 or 13 years).

[Power Metal]

3. Yes and no. It has indeed been 9 years since Trunks killed Cell, but the folks in the Super timeline have not experienced more passage of time, as you left out the 3 years(narrator specifically states over 3 years) between Trunks' final return to his timeline, where he killed off #17 and #18 and his fight with Cell.
So round some years up or down and you should end on pretty much the same passage of time(12 or 13 years).

Damn, you're right, I did forget that.
Now I'm just wondering why he waited for Cell to be released from his incubator instead of just killing him along with the rest of Gero's lab haha.

[dbgtFO]

Now I'm just wondering why he waited for Cell to be released from his incubator instead of just killing him along with the rest of Gero's lab haha.

Rule of cool, I guess. Maybe Cell is supposed to complete his transformation into his first form outside the lab or something, so he had already broken out a year before Trunks arrived back to his timeline.

[Power Metal]

ehh, I'll go with the "rule of cool" on this one

Yeah, I had already thought about Tarble appearing in Future Trunks' timeline, that would be awesome and a relief for Trunks to know that he has a relative alive out there.

yeah, I'd like to see that.

[Hellspawn28]

Well Trunks went back 17 years into the past in Goku's timeline. So I'm pretty sure Super is now set in Age: 780 meaning that we have four years left until Goku meets Uub.

[LuckyCat]

Future Trunks' own timeline is kind of crazy in Super. Babidi is supposed to arrive on Earth in age 774. Trunks, being born in age 766 should be 8 years old.

However, Super implies that Babidi arrived after the defeat of Cell of Future Trunks' timeline in age 785. So why did Babidi appear at a different time in Trunks' timeline?

[Hellspawn28]

So why did Babidi appear at a different time in Trunks' timeline?

Timelines are different now due to time travel. I think Babidi show up earlier in Goku's timeline due to the Cell games may have help Babidi and Dabra come to Earth looking for ki to help restore Buu. In Trunks timeline, #17 and #18 mainly went around killing people and they probably have no idea about them. Not to mention, Dabra originally came to Earth in Age 474 and could not find any major ki to help restore Buu (The only powerful fighters on Earth at the time would be Kami, Crane Hermit, Korin and Master Roshi).

[Swifticuffs]

So why did Babidi appear at a different time in Trunks' timeline?

Timelines are different now due to time travel. I think Babidi show up earlier in Goku's timeline due to the Cell games may have help Babidi and Dabra come to Earth looking for ki to help restore Buu. In Trunks timeline, #17 and #18 mainly went around killing people and they probably have no idea about them. Not to mention, Dabra originally came to Earth in Age 474 and could not find any major ki to help restore Buu (The only powerful fighters on Earth at the time would be Kami, Crane Hermit, Korin and Master Roshi).

Yeah all the time travel screwed things up. The lack of power in future trunks' timeline on Earth post Cell defeat may be why? Only Trunks with a noteworthy power, be it strong and all.

[Hellspawn28]

They probably did came to Earth in the past and decided to go back when they sense Trunks ki. They probably believe it was enough to bring back Buu. Not to mention that time travel cause a butterfly effect to happen and that Babidi was most likely never plan to travel to Earth until years later.