Why was Roshi uncomfortable? DBZ EP 96

[Emiliow]

Hello all
I was just enjoying my evening watching several Dragon Ball Z episodes, throughout both the Saiyan Saga and the Frieza Saga. I finished the evening watching episode 96 "Explosion of Anger" and there was this scene on earth with Muten Roshi and Yajirobe. Muten Roshi felt uncomfortable and Yajirobe asked him what bothered him, to which he answered that Goku has become so strong that he might be a double edged sword, and when Yajirobe questioned him Roshi didn't really answer and just ended the conversation with "Maybe I'm worrying over nothing."

I guess it seems a bit redundant to ask this question, but what was that about? I can't really see the point, why has Goku become a double edged sword? Is Muten Roshi worried that Goku would turn against the earthlings? That seems very unlikely. Does he think that Goku is getting overconfident? Maybe but then again, Goku has almost always been very respectful towards his opponents, even when he clearly was on top, so why should he ever change?

This whole scene just didn't make a lot of sense to me. Does anybody here on this site have an idea of what happened durring that scene?

[Netter75]

I'm not ENTIRELY sure what Roshi meant in that scene either. Re-watching it I interpreted it as him thinking that Goku's path to becoming incredibly strong has led him to an ultimate foe (Freeza), who may very well kill him. That would be the double-edged sword.

Again, I might be totally off-base, but that is how I took it.

[Tectorman]

Goku has faced dire enemies before and has lost friends before. He's gotten angry before. But the scene presents Master Roshi as somehow being able to perceive Goku's transformation into a SSJ, a warrior with a pure heart unlocked by pure rage. It's an incredible level of power that Goku has never touched before, focusing his anger to new heights right when he's just lost his best friend to a sadist. We know that Goku is basically incorruptible, but for the characters in the show at that point, they didn't know. Does even kind, good-hearted Goku have a breaking point? Has he passed it? I never took that scene as a reference to how strong Goku was getting so much as the context by which he got that strength.

[90sDBZ]

I always took it as him worrying about Goku's judgement being altered, like how he lets Frieza reach 100% and stays on the dying Namek for the thrill of the battle.

[Cipher]

I always took it as him worrying about Goku's judgement being altered, like how he lets Freeza reach 100% and stays on the dying Namek for the thrill of the battle.

That's what I've always taken from this as well. And it actually does come to bear on the rest of the series, with the now cosmically powerful Goku making all kinds of reckless decisions for the thrill of a fight. If I recall correctly, that scene occurs not long before he waits for Freeza to achieve his full power, something Kaio is also horrified by.

Short-version:

>Kaio encourages Goku to finish Freeza before he reaches his full powers.
>Goku says no, he's going to wait. He wants to prove to Freeza he could beat him even at full power, as revenge for Kuririn.
>Kaio reflects on how Goku seems to have been lost within the anger/power of the Super Saiyan.
>Freeza implies to Goku that Goku doesn't just want to beat him, right? He wants to see Freeza at his full power too, for his own satisfaction as a warrior. Goku grins.

Basically, it's not the anger. It's the new realm of power that sets other characters on edge, given that Goku's sole satisfaction comes from facing strong opponents. Time and time again, this actually does prove to be an issue.

[Doctor.]

Goku starting to become reckless is what I interpret it as.

[trick007z]

More foreshadowing that the SSJ state is something that alters and heightens the personality of the Saiyan who transformed than anything else. Which is essentially what happens.

[Dorexx]

He was sensing that Goku is becoming evil, because the nature of the Super Saiyan form is evil. It's what Goku is referring to when he tells Gohan he's about to lose himself. This is how I interpret it and it's one of my favorite scenes because it shows (for the first time in a while) how great their bond is.

[Zephyr]

Imagine an alternate reality where Toriyama permanently killed Vegeta off, but had Goku take the role of "hostile reckless idiot but still ally" for the relevant parts of the Cell and Buu arcs that Vegeta had filled. It would have delivered on these sorts of bits of seeming foreshadowing, and made the Super Saiyan form consistent with the legend it was hyped up to be. Goku was weaker in his base form, but more reckless in his Super Saiyan form. Have Goku let Cell absorb #18, and have him be the cause of Buu's release, in the way that Vegeta was in the series proper.

[successoroffate]

I thought it was a premonition about stronger enemies coming in like Freeza.

Edit: Just rewatched the scene in the LatinAmerican Dub. He seems concerned about Freeza reaching his maximum power and wonders if Goku may... {die} in the battle.

The dialogue in spanish goes like this:
Yajirobe: Why are you so concern? What are you thinking about?
Roshi: I don't know but I have a bad feeling about it.
Yajirobe: About what?
Roshi: What do you mean about what? About Goku, lately he has become very strong and this can become a double edged sword.
Yajirobe: What do you mean?
Roshi: A double edged sword means that you can inflict a great amount of damage to your opponent but in the process you'll also get the same damage, Don't forget it.
Yajirobe: I don't get it, what does it has to do with anything?
Roshi: It has a lot to do, he has had very difficult battles and he has become very strong because of those battles, but if that guy called Freeza uses his maximum power...
Yajirobe: What would happen?
Roshi: When Goku fights that powerful enemy...perhaps he would...No...Nevermind..it's probably just my imagination.

This can be also like some of you say, foreshadowing Goku becoming evil because he reached the SSJ form. Another theory would be the consequences of Goku reaching the SSJ form to defeat Freeza...The SSJ Form takes too much from Goku and lead the way to the future heart issues he ends up developing. So Goku was able to defeat Freeza but at a price.