DB Super Stigma

[GodKaio-Ken]

That is really unfair. It was one episode done by a dude who hasn't worked on an ep since. Episode 48 animations were awesome so why judge by one horrid episode. Ever had a bad day at work? What if your boss only judged you on that and none of the good...

Why judge by one horrid episode you say? Three reasons below why it's getting bashed

1) This is 2016, not 90s. No excuse for art and animation. Nobody accepts excuse

2) We have other anime with great animation like One Punch Man. Comparison hurts

3) We have internet now, unlike 90s. Critics are vocal, and they're right

We loved DBZ because it was new to us, we were kids and there was no criticism without internet. Super doesn't have those privileges and is compared to other anime (whether they're small or big in episodes). You might bring excuses about Super being a long show and strict schedule, but that doesn't matter a bit to viewers. Fact is, ep 5 and RoF did huge damage that might be impossible to fix unless Trunks Arc is extremely good. Too many good anime available nowadays to give Super a free pass, even if it's Dragon Ball.

A lot of animators barely make money and work on a bunch of shows at a time. Sometimes shows are only completed right before the episode is to air more or less. That episode was horrible I agree, absolutely terrible, butI like other things about the series so I wont let that one thing kill it in my eyes.

Just my two cents I respect your right to feel that way.

[Ajay]

Why judge by one horrid episode you say? Three reasons below why it's getting bashed
1) This is 2016, not 90s. No excuse for art and animation. Nobody accepts excuse
2) We have other anime with great animation like One Punch Man. Comparison hurts
3) We have internet now, unlike 90s. Critics are vocal, and they're right

1. Nothing has changed about the core animation process, so anyone trying to shit out "it's current year, things should be better" have no clue what they're talking about.
2. One-Punch Man is a 12 episode long late-night series. It is a totally different production to a long-running anime, so that comparison is equally as asinine.
3. "Critics" are only right to the extent that Super has production issues. Their expectations and reasons are based on total misinformation.

Super is a troubled production, but keep your expectations within reason and actually aim your criticisms at the right people and for the right reasons. You aren't doing that right now.

[sintzu]

1) This is 2016, not 90s. No excuse for art and animation. Nobody accepts excuse

2) We have other anime with great animation like One Punch Man. Comparison hurts

3) We have internet now, unlike 90s. Critics are vocal, and they're right

We loved DBZ because it was new to us, we were kids and there was no criticism without internet.

You might bring excuses about Super being a long show and strict schedule, but that doesn't matter a bit to viewers.

Fact is, ep 5 and RoF did huge damage that might be impossible to fix unless Trunks Arc is extremely good.

Too many good anime available nowadays to give Super a free pass, even if it's Dragon Ball.

1- We never got anything that bad during the 90's, sure there were bad moments but not nearly an entire episode, especially the important ones. if they messed up any other episodes it probably wouldn't have been as bad but the 1st fight ? they couldn't have picked a worse episode to mess up.

2- It is a bit unfair to compare it to that but the studio also produced HXH which was also a long weekly anime and for the most part it was great.

3- The internet is a double edge sword, if something is good then everyone will know about it but if it's bad then more than everyone will know.

And there weren't many shows like it unlike now.

Especially viewers who pay up to 35$ for each set which only contain 12-13 episodes.

At this point being good won't be enough, it has to be a game changer and blow everyone away, if it's good it'll definitely help but it needs to be more to redeem this show.

It's not even holding up against its 25+ years old predecessor let alone current anime.

[Sonicjamareiz]

DBZ is THE perfect series none can surpass it whoever says otherwise don't know what the fuck they're talking about... Super can lick my tip.

[ryou766]

DBZ is THE perfect series none can surpass it whoever says otherwise don't know what the fuck they're talking about... Super can lick my tip.

Well, that was extremely blatant.

[kinisking]

People wouldn't be mentioning animation a tenth as much. There would be like no stigma, because even now most people love the show.

[Avok]

I would bash it just as much as I do now, but maybe some people wouldn't, who knows.

The retellings -and the films- are not the problem, they're just a consequence of the actual issue.

[sintzu]

Most people love the show.

That's kind of a strong word to use, maybe enjoy would be better.

[Faisal Shourov]

1. Nothing has changed about the core animation process, so anyone trying to shit out "it's current year, things should be better" have no clue what they're talking about.
2. One-Punch Man is a 12 episode long late-night series. It is a totally different production to a long-running anime, so that comparison is equally as asinine.
3. "Critics" are only right to the extent that Super has production issues. Their expectations and reasons are based on total misinformation.

Super is a troubled production, but keep your expectations within reason and actually aim your criticisms at the right people and for the right reasons. You aren't doing that right now.

Super is shit production and no rubbish excuse is acceptable. Hunter X Hunter 2011 has 150 episodes and it's infinitely better than Super in art and animation. Viewers don't care about production, there are other long anime out there who get their job done.

[Sonicjamareiz]

1. Nothing has changed about the core animation process, so anyone trying to shit out "it's current year, things should be better" have no clue what they're talking about.
2. One-Punch Man is a 12 episode long late-night series. It is a totally different production to a long-running anime, so that comparison is equally as asinine.
3. "Critics" are only right to the extent that Super has production issues. Their expectations and reasons are based on total misinformation.

Super is a troubled production, but keep your expectations within reason and actually aim your criticisms at the right people and for the right reasons. You aren't doing that right now.

Super is shit production and no rubbish excuse is acceptable. Hunter X Hunter 2011 has 150 episodes and it's infinitely better than Super in art and animation. Viewers don't care about production, there are other long anime out there who get their job done.

Here is where you went wrong...

[Hellspawn28]

That is really unfair. It was one episode done by a dude who hasn't worked on an ep since. Episode 48 animations were awesome so why judge by one horrid episode. Ever had a bad day at work? What if your boss only judged you on that and none of the good...

Why judge by one horrid episode you say? Three reasons below why it's getting bashed

1) This is 2016, not 90s. No excuse for art and animation. Nobody accepts excuse

2) We have other anime with great animation like One Punch Man. Comparison hurts

3) We have internet now, unlike 90s. Critics are vocal, and they're right

We loved DBZ because it was new to us, we were kids and there was no criticism without internet. Super doesn't have those privileges and is compared to other anime (whether they're small or big in episodes). You might bring excuses about Super being a long show and strict schedule, but that doesn't matter a bit to viewers. Fact is, ep 5 and RoF did huge damage that might be impossible to fix unless Trunks Arc is extremely good. Too many good anime available nowadays to give Super a free pass, even if it's Dragon Ball.

1 - I don't see how it's different now compare to back then. Some 90's anime had really awful animation like Psychic Wars (Produced by Toei when DBZ was still airing), Demon Beast Invasion, Gestalt, Ninja Resurrection, Chrono Trigger, Shuten Doji (release during the same year as DBZ), Garzey's Wing and many others. I know these anime are not big titles as DBZ, but my point is that I don't think things are any different now. You had people bitch about how something looked back then too.

2 - One Punch Man is a 12 episode series with a later time slot and different age market. One Punch Man is Seinen and Dragon Ball Super is not.

3 - Critics are always vocal even before this decade. They are not always right because people had different opinions. Roger Ebert give bad ratings for major movies like John Carpenter's The Thing and Fight Club while give good ratings to bad movies like The Mummy III. Having the Internet does not changed anything seeing that people would watch TV reviews and read reviews in the news paper for reviews on movies. Criticism always exist before the Internet as well. It's not like when the Internet was created, criticism and opinions was created.

The worldwide web has been around for over 25 years. You still had fans on the web too talking about the series and fighting over each other opinions back in the 90's. The Internet was much smaller and most people didn't have a computer during the 90's before it became a more common and faster during the early 2000's. Not to mention kids watching DBZ in 1996-1999 in the late 90's most likely didn't know how to use the Internet while kids in this decade can easily go on the Internet. They just watch TV and have no idea what will happen next back in 1999.