Zamasu is basically a Bebi 2.0

[DBZAOTA482]

Both are looking to exterminate a whole race that he view as inferior when in reality they're really no different. While there is a following for Bebi, I personally felt he was executed poorly as his motive was nothing but a crutch and his overall character was not only Generic Villain 101 he was just annoying in general.

While Zamasu isn't perfect (I still think his motives are underdeveloped as well) but he's at least interesting and keeps you on your toes due to mystery surrounding him.

Do you realize the parallels between them and who do you think is better out of the two?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Bebi didn't want to destroy life, he wanted to assimilate it. The primary key trait that they actually share is that they both are hypocrites. Bebi hates the Saiyan People for their savage extermination of their race, so he decides to exterminate and brainwash the whole Saiyan Race. Zamasu is an even greater hypocrite, he hates humans because they are violent and disobedient, so he disobeyed the commands of his higher-ups and began violently murdering all humanoid life.

Personally, I prefer Zamasu. Not because he's really better anyway, but because I love Zamasu's voice, design, and personality.

[Kakarotto92]

Zamasu is basically a Bebi 2.0

No. Zamasu isn't driven by revenge. He's an idealist who wants to fix the one and only failed creation of the Gods and create an utopia.

[Fionordequester]

No. Zamasu isn't driven by revenge. He's an idealist who wants to fix the one and only failed creation of the Gods and create an utopia.

Says the guy with Black in his avatar

[Hellspawn28]

They are very different characters. Bebi to me was Dr. Raichi mixed with Garlic Jr and Cell into one.

[Cipher]

Is everyone just too embarrassed to acknowledge that one of the major villains in the franchise is named "Baby" to type it without transliteration?

Anyway, there are definitely some superficial similarities, as they're both body-snatchers one way or another, and I suppose also both murderous villains who spout off about having some sort of ideological high ground. Those are pretty stock genre concepts, though, so I don't particularly tend to conflate them. Baby is a straight-up horror movie villain until he possesses Vegeta. Zamasu I find a bit bland, but his self-righteous stance is at least a new angle for a Dragon Ball, and his unusual relationship to Goku Black adds some color.

[KidGokuDB]

Yeah, I can see why someone would compare the two. But I wouldn't call Zamasu that though.

Baby's character was a nice concept of a villain but ended up disappointing me huge. I think he has a decent reason for his dislike of Saiyans and wanting revenge. But GT throws that all away to stick more with 'main baddie just needs to be evil enough like usual' rubbish. Zamasu is better to me because his reason for being a villain in the first place is more understandable. He isn't my favorite. But his distrust of mortal life is a much better character motive than many one dimensional bad guys in the Dragon Ball series.

[Ki Breaker]

I may be alone in this but I don't think there is any similarly between them at all as villans...

It's like saying cell and black were the same as both wanted to fight goku and had goku's traits..

Bebi wanted revenge against the saiyans specifically because his race was destroyed.. Generic villan.. Generic traits.. Very boring..

Zamasu on the other hand suffers from superiority complex and wants a twisted idealistic world where he is the one and only god and nobody challenges him..

Very different motives here

[MozillaVulpix]

They're both villains that kind of have a point, but go WAY too far to be seen as sympathetic in any way.

I think that's their biggest similarity. Compared to other DB villains, anyway.

[Savage68]

I really thought the comparison here would be premised on the body-stealing aspect of their characters. I was thinking during the latest episode that Black really reminded me of Baby when he took over Vegeta's body.

[Lord Beerus]

The only similarity I see with Zamasu and Baby is that they both a had a legitimate motive for doing what they did.

[Captain Strawberry]

The only similarity I see with Zamasu and Baby is that they both a had a legitimate motive for doing what they did.

In my opinion, I don't really see Baby's as 'legitimate ' because he's a guy that is stuck in the past but mostly prejudice; discriminative. Unless that is a legitimate motive.

[Kanassa]

The only similarity I see with Zamasu and Baby is that they both a had a legitimate motive for doing what they did.

Baby's motive is legitimate.. Well, until he starts going after other races, earth included. "I hate the Saiyans because they killed my entire race, so I'll enslave the Earthlings because... Uh... a Saoyan stuck their dicks in three of them"

[Cipher]

Neither one of them have legitimate motivations. They're both self-absorbed psychopaths who claim moral superiority while engaging with absolute relish in the very behavior they claim to hate.

Baby loves enslaving people. Zamasu loves killing. Neither one is going about their villainy with a heavy heart.

They're monsters with ultimate superiority complexes, just the same as Daimao or Freeza or Cell. Baby is the ultimate Machine Mutant. Zamasu is a prideful warrior god. Everything they claim to the contrary is an excuse.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Neither one of them have legitimate motivations. They're both self-absorbed psychopaths who claim moral superiority while engaging with absolute relish in the very behavior they claim to hate.

Baby loves enslaving people. Zamasu loves killing. Neither one is going about their villainy with a heavy heart.

They're monsters with ultimate superiority complexes, just the same as Daimao or Freeza or Cell. Baby is the ultimate Machine Mutant. Zamasu is a prideful warrior god. Everything they claim to the contrary is an excuse.

I've been saying this since the beginning. Villains in DB are usually so one-dimensional that when a villain with any concrete motive that isn't a bottom of the barrel, mustache twirling level of selfishness comes along, it seems to be legitimized. And if we're only going by DB's standards, it kind of is.

[Captain Strawberry]

Neither one of them have legitimate motivations. They're both self-absorbed psychopaths who claim moral superiority while engaging with absolute relish in the very behavior they claim to hate.

Baby loves enslaving people. Zamasu loves killing. Neither one is going about their villainy with a heavy heart.

They're monsters with ultimate superiority complexes, just the same as Daimao or Freeza or Cell. Baby is the ultimate Machine Mutant. Zamasu is a prideful warrior god. Everything they claim to the contrary is an excuse.

In addition to this, I will say that Zamasu is most likely an arrogant liar that uses his ideals to cover the evil in him.

[ProtoTrunks76]

Baby = Wants to eradicate all of the Saiyans out of vengeance for their genocide of the Tuffles, and takes over Vegeta's body in order to attain this goal. Unfortunately, while he often sells himself as a well-intentioned extremist, he still acts like your run-of-the-mill Dragonball movie villain.

Zamasu = Wants to eradicate all of mortal life because he saw 2 dinosaur people get into a fist-fight one day, and takes over Goku's body in order to attain this goal. Unfortunately, while he often sells himself as a well-intentioned extremist, he still acts like your run-of-the-mill Dragonball movie villain.

Sound pretty similar to me!

[superfan2024]

Zamasu = Wants to eradicate all of mortal life because he saw 2 dinosaur people get into a fist-fight one day, and takes over Goku's body in order to attain this goal. Unfortunately, while he often sells himself as a well-intentioned extremist, he still acts like your run-of-the-mill Dragonball movie villain.

Sound pretty similar to me!

Lol you missed a lot.

[ProtoTrunks76]

Zamasu = Wants to eradicate all of mortal life because he saw 2 dinosaur people get into a fist-fight one day, and takes over Goku's body in order to attain this goal. Unfortunately, while he often sells himself as a well-intentioned extremist, he still acts like your run-of-the-mill Dragonball movie villain.

Sound pretty similar to me!

Lol you missed a lot.

Baby = Takes over Vegeta's body, resulting in a new form that uses (a) pre-existing Saiyan Transformation(s)
Zamasu = Takes over Goku's body, resulting in a new form that uses (a) pre-existing Saiyan Transformation(s)

Baby = Creates what can be assumed to be copies of himself to assimilate with other Z Fighters
Zamasu = Has one copy of himself in the body of Goku, and (as Goku Black) is capable of creating copies of himself as well.

Baby = Ultimately contradicts himself in performing the acts that he thinks lowly of
Zamasu = Ultimately contradicts himself in performing the acts that he thinks lowly of

Baby = Wants to eradicate the Saiyan race
Zamasu = Wants to eradicate all mortal life

The list can go on

[MaskedRider]

Zamasu = Wants to eradicate all of mortal life because he saw 2 dinosaur people get into a fist-fight one day, and takes over Goku's body in order to attain this goal. Unfortunately, while he often sells himself as a well-intentioned extremist, he still acts like your run-of-the-mill Dragonball movie villain.

Sound pretty similar to me!

Lol you missed a lot.

Baby = Takes over Vegeta's body, resulting in a new form that uses (a) pre-existing Saiyan Transformation(s)
Zamasu = Takes over Goku's body, resulting in a new form that uses (a) pre-existing Saiyan Transformation(s)

Baby = Creates what can be assumed to be copies of himself to assimilate with other Z Fighters
Zamasu = Has one copy of himself in the body of Goku, and (as Goku Black) is capable of creating copies of himself as well.

Baby = Ultimately contradicts himself in performing the acts that he thinks lowly of
Zamasu = Ultimately contradicts himself in performing the acts that he thinks lowly of

Baby = Wants to eradicate the Saiyan race
Zamasu = Wants to eradicate all mortal life

The list can go on

I think he was referring to how you described Zamasu and why he is the way he is. He expresses his disdain for mortals way before the dinosaurs are shown to us and explains why he chose Goku's body specifically. I disagree with MOVIE villain bit but run of the mill? Sure, to paraphrase Speedwagon on Dio Brando, hes an evil bastard the second he breathed