Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

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Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:24 am

Or just really fruity?

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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by YonedgeHP » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:32 am

I don't see how this is relevant, anyways, Zamas is a Shin-jin, he's born from a fruit.
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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by precita » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:34 am

He'd be gay for himself then. Because they are both the same person.

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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by ShadowBardock89 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:36 am

Nah, he's just a big narcissist.
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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by phattangent » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:46 am

If you're talking about, "happy," then I'd say Goku Black was happy and Zamasu was not. Although they are the same person, I found that their sentiments, as expressed on screen, to be somewhat diametrically opposed.

If you mean, "homosexual," then I don't really see how that's any of our business unless it directly plays into the plot somehow.
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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by Ki Breaker » Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:27 am

Steven Bloodriver wrote:Or just really fruity?
Of course he is fruity!
He is a fruit :lol:

He could very well be..
I see it as he can relate to no one else only himself this only close person he can get twisted with is himself and so we get this
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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by sailorspazz » Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:40 am

Only for themselves ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Uh, serious answer? I doubt Toriyama/Toei actually intended for them to be gay, but the anime certainly didn't discourage anyone from thinking that (I mean, that hug lasted waaaay too long to not be ship-baiting, right? Plus the Bulma hitting on Zamasu scene was similar enough to her hitting on Blue that it's hard not to draw the same conclusion...though granted, he could have been repulsed just because a human was touching him, female or not). Of course, out-of-universe information tells us the Kaioushin are genderless/asexual, but they could still have a romance without ever doing the deed. They know how important it is to love yourself, more than anyone else!

So my conclusion is, no, they're not supposed to be, but there was just enough queer-baiting that we can draw that conclusion if we choose. Which is pretty much an invitation for a certain type of fan like me to start shipping the hell out of it! :wink:
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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by Terez » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:00 am

sailorspazz wrote:I doubt Toriyama/Toei actually intended for them to be gay, but the anime certainly didn't discourage anyone from thinking that (I mean, that hug lasted waaaay too long to not be ship-baiting, right? Plus the Bulma hitting on Zamasu scene was similar enough to her hitting on Blue that it's hard not to draw the same conclusion...though granted, he could have been repulsed just because a human was touching him, female or not).
That's the art of baiting; there always has to be some kind of plausible deniability. But the reference to Blue was pretty obvious, and it went along with the love nest in the mountains and the hug to paint a pretty clear picture of ardent self-love. (And Goku-obsession. The two work together in this case.)

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Post by Alruneia » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:31 am

Steven Bloodriver wrote:Or just really fruity?
Yes. Fruity. :lol:

I think they classify as autosexual, actually. Which means they're attracted to themselves (and since they're the same person, that extends to them being attracted to each other).
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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by phattangent » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:41 am

Terez wrote:That's the art of baiting; there always has to be some kind of plausible deniability.
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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by Avery » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:52 am

I heard that Kaioushin are supposed to be asexual but what about the perverted Old Kaioushin? Did that come from the witch somehow?
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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:54 am

They're usually asexual but I think Black could potentially develop sexual urges. He get a lot of Saiyan & Goku qualities by just being in his body so I think him getting a sex drive is pretty plausible for him, at least.
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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:26 pm

There's no in-universe answer to that question, but it doesn't matter one way or the other.
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Post by Faisal Shourov » Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:32 pm

Nope, are you gay for masturbating? Zamasu and Black are the same people with same thoughts
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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by Avok » Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:57 pm

Don't you actually love yourself?
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Post by Doctor. » Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:01 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:They're usually asexual but I think Black could potentially develop sexual urges. He get a lot of Saiyan & Goku qualities by just being in his body so I think him getting a sex drive is pretty plausible for him, at least.
Goku having a sex drive and urges is pretty debatable.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:26 pm

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ekrolo2 wrote:They're usually asexual but I think Black could potentially develop sexual urges. He get a lot of Saiyan & Goku qualities by just being in his body so I think him getting a sex drive is pretty plausible for him, at least.
Goku having a sex drive and urges is pretty debatable.
But can really imagine Goku being as stiff as board while Chi Chi is on top of him? Or in any other position? It would be like having sex with a mannequin. Goku must have some kind of reaction when Chi Chi decides get horny. I mean, he's an alien, but not that alien.

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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by Yomi » Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:40 pm

Zamasu loves himself, and they are technically different people; but also the same. :eh:
Some weird stuff was going on in that Cabin. It's very fair to call them soul-mates ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

They shoulda' went further with it, just because it would have been fun to see that play out.
Felt like they were throwing hints, but none of them really stuck or were substantial.
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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by sintzu » Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:48 pm

Someone hugging his alternate timeline self doesn't make him gay.
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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by Yomi » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:11 pm

sintzu wrote:Someone hugging his alternate timeline self doesn't make him gay.
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