Does Toriyama Have More Freedom in Dragon Ball Super?

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Does Toriyama Have More Freedom in Dragon Ball Super?

Post by Lujin_16 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:56 am

Dragonball & Dragonball Super are really different Than Dragonball Z for example the designs and of course more comedy than Z it feels more like Akira's
work...Mostly of the characters in DB & DBS are skinny and weak looking but in Z it is different more serious and muscular...Can we say that he has had
less freedome in Z than in DB & DBS??? Maybe Toei decided to change the style of Akira's work??? I don't think Akira is that guy who likes to much muscular &
serious looking characters maybe this is the reason Akira ended Dragonball and it took 20 years to bring him back he was definitely pissed
about Toei and it was not easy for them to bring him back..I'm mean is there a chance that Toei said to him to make designs look more muscular and serious
and to go in a different diection?? You think this is true???

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Re: Has Akira more freedome in Dragonball Super???

Post by Bansho64 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:08 am

No, I don't personally think that's it. I think it's more of his style changing over time. That, and a whole lotta factors come into play. I hardly think it has even the least ounce to do with freedom and anything like that.
Lujin_16 wrote:Mostly of the characters in DB& DBS are skinny and weak looking but in Z it is different more serious and muscular...
I disagree on the pre-Saiyan arc designs being skinny. I thought they were more chubby-looking and started to get more muscular and as the story progressed. And a lot of that chubbiness still holds in early parts of latter portions of the story. I never really thought they started getting that skinny look until the more modern day artwork that he does.

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Re: Has Akira more freedome in Dragonball Super???

Post by precita » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:23 am

Who is Akira? We're on first name basis with the creator now? And what is freedome? A free Dome?

In any case, I think he just suggest a basic outline of what he wants to happen, some direction for the characters, some of the new designs, and then let's the Toei writers have fun with it all.

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Re: Has Akira more freedome in Dragonball Super???

Post by Ki Breaker » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:32 am

We can't say that for certain, you could say he can give any outline and they work with it as of now, there is no one correcting his outlines that we know of, so there is a little bit freedom there
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Re: Has Akira more freedome in Dragonball Super???

Post by emperior » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:46 am

Ki Breaker wrote:We can't say that for certain, you could say he can give any outline and they work with it as of now, there is no one correcting his outlines that we know of, so there is a little bit freedom there
Maybe he asks someone to check his work? An editor is always useful.
But you may be right considering it seems like no one questioned his choice of making Future Trunks' hair blue even if everyone knows he always had purple hair, it's funny because in the Super Exciting Guide cover, Toriyama too colored his hair purple.
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Re: Has Akira more freedome in Dragonball Super???

Post by Basaku » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:55 am

He always had a lot of freedom but it's clear that nowadays he's on a different level, no-questions-asked status and Toei will accomodate any terms he presents as long as he writes story base for the new arcs and they can attach his name to Super. Whether it's good or bad is a different thing. When a creator has no one to challenge them creativly or question their artistic choices it may lead to weaker results, but doesn't have to.

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Re: Has Akira more freedome in Dragonball Super???

Post by sintzu » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:39 pm

Lujin_16 wrote:Can we say that he has had less freedome in Z than in DB ?

Maybe Toei decided to change the style of Akira's work??? I don't think Akira is that guy who likes to much muscular & serious looking characters.

Maybe this is the reason Akira ended Dragonball.

It took 20 years to bring him back.

He was definitely pissed about Toei and it was not easy for them to bring him back.

I'm mean is there a chance that Toei said to him to make designs look more muscular and serious and to go in a different diection??
In some interviews he says that he had more freedom in Z cause his 2nd and 3rd editors (one took over after the Piccolo JR arc and the other one took over after Cell reached his perfect form) weren't as strict as Torishima, his editor during the DB part of the story so he could get away with things like not planning ahead and writing himself into corners.

They based the anime of his manga which had muscular and serious looking characters.

He ended it because he didn't have anymore stories to tell and because he was tired after drawing it for 10 years and Dr.Slump for 5 years before it.
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Where'd you get this from ?

There's a 0 chance of this happening cause the manga was the main product so he'd be the one telling them what to do.
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Re: Has Akira more freedome in Dragonball Super???

Post by TKA » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:43 pm

He has a lot more freedom in the sense that he doesn't need to be doing this anymore. I don't think it matters since so far he's not done anything he couldn't have done in the original manga.
precita wrote:Who is Akira? We're on first name basis with the creator now? And what is freedome? A free Dome?
Oh wow, look how cool you are picking at a guy's grammar, and ignoring that this is a multinational fandom.
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Re: Has Akira more freedome in Dragonball Super???

Post by sintzu » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:50 pm

TKA wrote:He has a lot more freedom in the sense that he doesn't need to be doing this anymore.
And his name brings in viewers and moves units so they're going to do what he wants and avoid doing what he doesn't want until he says it's OK.
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Post by Faisal Shourov » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:10 pm

precita wrote:Who is Akira? We're on first name basis with the creator now? And what is freedome? A free Dome?

In any case, I think he just suggest a basic outline of what he wants to happen, some direction for the characters, some of the new designs, and then let's the Toei writers have fun with it all.
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Re: Has Akira more freedome in Dragonball Super???

Post by julianix » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:23 pm

If he has more freedom and this is the result then Toei needs to take some of that away lol.

Super looks like the prequel to dbz if you would just watch the animation and didn't know any better.

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Re: Has Akira more freedome in Dragonball Super???

Post by sintzu » Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:16 pm

julianix wrote:If he has more freedom and this is the result then Toei needs to take some of that away lol.

Super looks like the prequel to dbz if you would just watch the animation and didn't know any better.
Toriyama has nothing to do with the animation, that's all Toei.
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Re: Has Akira more freedome in Dragonball Super???

Post by ChronoTwigger » Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:17 pm

Muscular guys and machism were all the thing in early '90. So, to sell stuff...
Now it's time for bishi and yaoi and narcisism. So, to sell stuff...
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Re: Does Toriyama Have More Freedom in Dragon Ball Super?

Post by Saturnine » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:40 pm

I guess Toei realized there are other audiences than Mexico and Paraguay and let Akira do his thing, instead of pandering :P

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