Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[GodVegetto91]

Why the hell would they need to cut all this content down? Seems like so much wasted potential. Why isn’t a movie allowed to take up 3 hours of screen time? The more content, the better, right? But apparently not for Toei..

[sintzu]

Why the hell would they need to cut all this content down? Seems like so much wasted potential. Why isn’t a movie allowed to take up 3 hours of screen time? The more content, the better, right? But apparently not for Toei..

They said back when BOG was being released that anything over 90 minutes may cause kids to lose attention so they do their best to keep movies within that time frame.

The last three One Piece movies:

One Piece: Strong World - 113 minute
One Piece: Z - 108 minute
One Piece: Gold - 120 minute

One Piece is a story first so if that's what's needed to tell the story then so be it. DB on the other hand is being made to move merchandise first so as long as the concept is on screen they can give it the minimum time run which seems to be 90 minutes.

[AnimeNation101]

Why the hell would they need to cut all this content down? Seems like so much wasted potential. Why isn’t a movie allowed to take up 3 hours of screen time? The more content, the better, right? But apparently not for Toei..

Because the movie is targeted at kids and they believe 90 minutes is good for kids and that if the movie were too long, the kids would lose focus as they lack long attention spans.

3 hours is pretty long and while i’d enjoy that, i see their point, but imo, i don’t think 2 hours is too long. In fact, from what they’ve been saying about the movie’s content, i think 2 hours is perfect.

[Shaddy]

All of Dragon Ball is targeted at kids, so that answer's out. What was cut was likely because they wanted to extend and emphasize action sequences, or because Toriyama went too far in whatever he was trying to do. A three-hour film isn't easily consumable by most people's standards, and this is still gonna be longer than the original Broly film anyways. What's important isn't that something was removed, it's whether the decision was beneficial to the movie. Plenty of things have content and scenes cut early in development, and God knows Dragon Ball doesn't need to drag it's feet.

[AnimeNation101]

All of Dragon Ball is targeted at kids, so that answer's out. What was cut was likely because they wanted to extend and emphasize action sequences, or because Toriyama went too far in whatever he was trying to do. A three-hour film isn't easily consumable by most people's standards, and this is still gonna be longer than the original Broly film anyways. What's important isn't that something was removed, it's whether the decision was beneficial to the movie. Plenty of things have content and scenes cut early in development, and God knows Dragon Ball doesn't need to drag it's feet.

How can that answer be out? They literally said why they don’t create movies that long.

[Sani007]

Damn it. Why did they have to drop the TV series?
It would have been much better than a 90-minute movie...

[Hugo Boss]

Why the hell would they need to cut all this content down? Seems like so much wasted potential. Why isn’t a movie allowed to take up 3 hours of screen time? The more content, the better, right? But apparently not for Toei..

Not necessarily. You could waste a lot of money on disposable content, not to mention it could hinder the animation quality. About 2 hours is just fine and even that would be longer than Ressurrection of Freeza, which took 94 minutes and it is the longest Dragon Ball Z movie to date.

[Sani007]

About 2 hours is just fine and even that would be longer than Ressurrection of Freeza, which took 94 minutes and it is the longest Dragon Ball Z movie to date.

This is true, but no one said 2 hours unfortunately, only 90 minutes.

[Michsi]

90 minutes means 1 hour 30 min - that's as long as the classic 2D Disney movies like Mulan and the Lion King are (which all took several years to make btw ) and just 20 min. less than current modern movies. The duration is fine.

[TheShadowEmperor8055]

Trunks was always intended to have Blue hair but Toei fucked it up when they made the DBZ/Kai anime. He was always supposed to have blue hair and Toei was simply fixing their previous mistake. Geekdom made a video on it IIRC.

Oh wow, interesting and good to know. I always found it ridiculous how Trunks and Bulma didn't have the same hair color in the anime as they did in the manga. Jeezus Toei...
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[PFM18]

Trunks was always intended to have Blue hair but Toei fucked it up when they made the DBZ/Kai anime. He was always supposed to have blue hair and Toei was simply fixing their previous mistake. Geekdom made a video on it IIRC.

Oh wow, interesting and good to know. I always found it ridiculous how Trunks and Bulma didn't have the same hair color in the anime as they did in the manga. Jeezus Toei...
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Yeah I didn't know until Geekdom made a video about it myself.

[Michsi]

Trunks was always intended to have Blue hair but Toei fucked it up when they made the DBZ/Kai anime. He was always supposed to have blue hair and Toei was simply fixing their previous mistake. Geekdom made a video on it IIRC.

Oh wow, interesting and good to know. I always found it ridiculous how Trunks and Bulma didn't have the same hair color in the anime as they did in the manga. Jeezus Toei...
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Yeah I didn't know until Geekdom made a video about it myself.

Isn't it the other way around though? Bulma was the one that had the wrong hair color in the anime, since Toriyama had actually settled on purple for her pretty early on in DB. Toei had probably used the very first colored image of her as reference, where she indeed has blue hair, but throughout most of the story she's been colored with purple hair - and that's why Trunks had purple hair in anime. They couldn't change Bulma's hair so late in the game, but they used the right color with Trunks. Guess since Bulma's blue hair is so iconic now, they had Trunks match her.

[Zelvin]

The problem with allowing everything in, means taking time away from the plot and main characters. Which can also mean less time to develop those characters because you're spending more time on extraneous details, side-characters, tertiary characters, filler bits and so much else. You have to ask if keeping something in will add to the experience or hurt it. If there was intended to be 30min of extra footage of Cheyle and the other grunt acting as the comedy relief for the movie, do you think it'd make the movie better or worse?

I'd say t'd hurt the movie because that's a considerable amount of time to dedicate to characters that don't have a large role or impact and it'll just drag the movie down. Like the Casino scene in TLJ. Completely pointless and extraneous and an utter waste of time that dragged the movie down.

I can understand wanting to cut the script down in order to make sure you keep the audiences attention the whole way through. But conversely, you run the risk of disappointing the audience by not giving them enough information or time to care about the cast and what's going on. You need enough time to establish the plot, introduce everyone, deliver the drama and action, and make the audience care without spending too much time over-explaining everything and having too much dialogue in certain scenes.

I think keeping it closer to 2hrs would've been better, but I can see why knocking it down from three was necessary.

[kudo6000]

That mouth-blast looks nice.

I hope they’ll keep Broly’s signature technique of causing the entire scenery to illuminate green before it condenses into ki. Seeing how that was given to Kale, I guess that’s unlikely now? Hope not.

[sintzu]

90 minutes means 1 hour 30 min - that's as long as the classic 2D Disney movies like Mulan and the Lion King are (which all took several years to make btw ) and just 20 min. less than current modern movies. The duration is fine.

The duration is fine without context. The problem is that Toriyama turned in a 3 hour long script and they're essentially cutting out half of it. We'll have to wait and see the movie before we can tell if that was the right call to make cause there's a chance that a lot of what was cut out was slice of life scenes that didn't add anything to the main plot. With this movie having the biggest budget, production time and marketing, I can't imagine them cutting things out that'll affect the quality or cohesiveness of the story...at least I hope not.

[PFM18]

Why the hell would they need to cut all this content down? Seems like so much wasted potential. Why isn’t a movie allowed to take up 3 hours of screen time? The more content, the better, right? But apparently not for Toei..

Because the movie is targeted at kids and they believe 90 minutes is good for kids and that if the movie were too long, the kids would lose focus as they lack long attention spans.

3 hours is pretty long and while i’d enjoy that, i see their point, but imo, i don’t think 2 hours is too long. In fact, from what they’ve been saying about the movie’s content, i think 2 hours is perfect.

Yeah I definitely think 2 hours would be perfect. 3 hours is just too much.

[Sora Saiyan]

Oh wow, interesting and good to know. I always found it ridiculous how Trunks and Bulma didn't have the same hair color in the anime as they did in the manga. Jeezus Toei...
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Yeah I didn't know until Geekdom made a video about it myself.

Isn't it the other way around though? Bulma was the one that had the wrong hair color in the anime, since Toriyama had actually settled on purple for her pretty early on in DB. Toei had probably used the very first colored image of her as reference, where she indeed has blue hair, but throughout most of the story she's been colored with purple hair - and that's why Trunks had purple hair in anime. They couldn't change Bulma's hair so late in the game, but they used the right color with Trunks. Guess since Bulma's blue hair is so iconic now, they had Trunks match her.

I always thought the reason Toriyama made Trunks hair blue in Super is because in an interview for BoG this was said.

The characters certainly have changed slightly since the “Majin Boo arc”! When I first saw the movie’s poster, I was particularly surprised at the changes in Kuririn’s and Videl’s hairstyles!
I am not at all particular about things like hair styles and colors. Especially with women, changing their hairstyle or color is a bit too commonplace, don’t you think? With people like Bulma, I actually don’t even know myself what their natural hair color is. (laughs)

Whaaat?! And I was sure that the blue she had when she first appeared was her natural hair color. (laughs)
I’m not at all particular about things. Er, well, I am particular about things I should be particular about, like the dialogue. (laughs)

Then when we next see Future Trunks he has blue hair. It just seems like this reminded Toriyama that he originally drew Bulma with blue hair, and Bulma’s purple hair is her hair dyed for Toriyama now. Whereas before Trunks hair colour was just never consistent enough in Toriyamas illustrations. So I like to believe that this interview is what caused the change in Trunks hair colour to blue to fit with Bulmas “natural hair colour”

[Sora Saiyan]

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[GodVegetto91]

That’s a bad excuse. It doesn’t just apply to kids, humans in general have extremely bad attention spans. This explains why so many video’s on YouTube and Facebook are so short. People, especially these days, have terrible attention spans. I remember back when i was a kid, i could watch something for hours on end without getting tired of it. So that argument is invalid.

[Michsi]

90 minutes means 1 hour 30 min - that's as long as the classic 2D Disney movies like Mulan and the Lion King are (which all took several years to make btw ) and just 20 min. less than current modern movies. The duration is fine.

The duration is fine without context. The problem is that Toriyama turned in a 3 hour long script and they're essentially cutting out half of it. We'll have to wait and see the movie before we can tell if that was the right call to make cause there's a chance that a lot of what was cut out was slice of life scenes that didn't add anything to the main plot. With this movie having the biggest budget, production time and marketing, I can't imagine them cutting things out that'll affect the quality or cohesiveness of the story...at least I hope not.

Here's the thing though, wasn't the initial script too short. There was an interview a few months ago where it was stated that Toriyama was worried that the first script he sent was too short. My guess is that they then worked on adding stuff, but ended up having to cut a lot of it out cuz they went overboard. The plot of that initial short script is probably where the core of the story is.

Then when we next see Future Trunks he has blue hair. It just seems like this reminded Toriyama that he originally drew Bulma with blue hair, and Bulma’s purple hair is her hair dyed for Toriyama now. Whereas before Trunks hair colour was just never consistent enough in Toriyamas illustrations. So I like to believe that this interview is what caused the change in Trunks hair colour to blue to fit with Bulmas “natural hair colour”

That's with modern DB, what I was referring to is what happened in Z and why Trunks' hair and Bulma's don't match in the anime, but they do in the manga. We even have the "path to power" movie that gave Bulma's purple hair color, which was them pretty much acknowledging the difference between their version of Bulma's design being different that the source material.