Do you think Toei botched Jiren?
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Re: Do you think Toei botched Jiren?
Meh. The backstory is about as generic as they come, but it does at the very least manage to flesh out his character a bit. I’m not sure I really wanted a tragic backstory, but I suppose it gives them an excusse to have Jiren act like a dick beyond “he’s so badass”.
Re: Do you think Toei botched Jiren?
Personally i liked his backstory but only because it fits with what little we saw of Jiren's character before it was revealed and it explains why he is a douche.
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Plus, they have set up a new story in the future about the evil-doer that killed Jiren's family. Which I think will come back in the future but obviously not in Super. I could see it being told in a spinoff manga down the line.Jigurashi wrote:Pretty much my opinion of it. It's a generic backstory but gets the job done of pretty much explaining why he is quite stoic and cold towards everyone. It wasn't anything amazing, but it did give us more insight to his values and perfectly explains why he's become more emotionally numb. His backstory is more like Batman's than anything else. He ain't deep by any means, but he now has some depth to himSuper Saiyan Swagger wrote:I really like how this explains why he's so emotionless. He only believes in strength, anything else is meaningless to him. That's why he's so stoic.
I like the way his backstory was told. This isn't anything we haven't seen before, but it does a good enough job at explaining why he's called Jiren the Grey.
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Re: Do you think Toei botched Jiren?
Jiren's backstory is probably the greatest story ever told in the history of anime. I felt for the little gray alien and his plight against the evil-doer.
Re: Do you think Toei botched Jiren?
Imo jiren's backstory is
1.Generic
2.Explains his character
3.Terrible execution,may be I have just become used to one piece but it's no better than the androids.It explains his character but it's just for the sake of background.Rushed would be the better word.
Conclusion
1.Generic
2.Explains his character
3.Terrible execution,may be I have just become used to one piece but it's no better than the androids.It explains his character but it's just for the sake of background.Rushed would be the better word.
Conclusion
JazzMazz wrote:I feel like Jiren's belittling nature about strength and cursing people for being weak should have been brought up earlier to actually set up a mystery for why he is so obsessed with strength? Then they could have established a que for the audience and the characters to become invested in Jiren's obsession with strength. Then they could have told us Jiren's backstory. That way we wouldn't have had to suffer through so much of Jiren being so plain.
His backstory isn't particularly interesting and is in fact rather generic, but it is at the very least something.
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Re: Do you think Toei botched Jiren?
Generic, almost unneeded. I'm rarely negative on something... but his backstory left me completely unfazed.
Re: Do you think Toei botched Jiren?
I was so excited when I woke up this morning to see the preview image of little baby Jiren. After having seen the episode, I was like "mmm...coulda done without it".
I maintain it could have been done well, but the narration was what killed it. It's actually got me thinking how it could be handled better in the dub. People complain about how they've been punching up the scripts, but if you ask me this was a script in dire need of a punch up. Anything would be better than "he trained and made many friends to fight the evil doer but then the evil doer killed his friends and that was A Sad."
I maintain it could have been done well, but the narration was what killed it. It's actually got me thinking how it could be handled better in the dub. People complain about how they've been punching up the scripts, but if you ask me this was a script in dire need of a punch up. Anything would be better than "he trained and made many friends to fight the evil doer but then the evil doer killed his friends and that was A Sad."
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The androids don't have a backstory.Hawk9211 wrote: 3.Terrible execution,may be I have just become used to one piece but it's no better than the androids.
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Re: Do you think Toei botched Jiren?
Y'all should be grateful he got a backstory at all. Dragon Ball was never generous about providing those. Keep in mind that we had to get bits and pieces even about Gero and the Androids. Any backstory is already a lot for DB.
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Re: Do you think Toei botched Jiren?
I honestly liked how Jiren's backstory went.
It was short, sweet, simple, and it fits.
Everything justifies his "blandness" and "stoicism", because he's abandoned the things that would flesh him out to pursue strength, strength above all, strength as the determining factor. There's nothing but strength, and why should there be? If you're not strong enough, you perish. If you are, you forge your own path of justice.
It's probably not the intent, but to me, I see a little bit of meta-commentary. Only strength matters to Jiren, much like how the fandom often plays this card when discussing the series, at least when it comes to the stereotypical vocal minorities.
It was short, sweet, simple, and it fits.
Everything justifies his "blandness" and "stoicism", because he's abandoned the things that would flesh him out to pursue strength, strength above all, strength as the determining factor. There's nothing but strength, and why should there be? If you're not strong enough, you perish. If you are, you forge your own path of justice.
It's probably not the intent, but to me, I see a little bit of meta-commentary. Only strength matters to Jiren, much like how the fandom often plays this card when discussing the series, at least when it comes to the stereotypical vocal minorities.
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Re: Do you think Toei botched Jiren?
I found the backstory ok. Good thing that they're trying adding layers in Jiren's personality.
By the way, that evil enemy is clearly Black
By the way, that evil enemy is clearly Black
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I was talking about the interview.FortuneSSJ wrote:The androids don't have a backstory.Hawk9211 wrote: 3.Terrible execution,may be I have just become used to one piece but it's no better than the androids.
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