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I sort of expected it. Ever since that Dragon Ball Heroes opening where they showed Goku and Frieza fighting Jiren, I had a feeling something like it would happen. It was too good of an opportunity for it to not happen.
What really made this scene for me was them having Goku be in his regular Ssj form, the form he used to previously take Freeza down. I cannot wait to see what they do with Freeza moving forward.
This ending could've really caused the fanbase to flip out but somehow they managed to get everything, even the smallest detail like the above right.
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sintzu wrote:What really made this scene for me was them having Goku be in his regular Ssj form, the form he used to previously take Freeza down. I cannot wait to see what they do with Freeza moving forward.
This ending could've really caused the fanbase to flip out but somehow they managed to get everything, even the smallest detail like the above right.
That and the fact that they did something that Goku and Vegeta couldn't - worked in perfect synch!
The anime spent a good amount of time building such a wonderful dynamic between Goku and Freeza, that it made them teaming up such a satisfying and and organic conclusion for not just Freeza's character arc, but also for the Tournament Of Power as a whole.
EDIT: And it looked visually stunning too.
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Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
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Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Having this very dynamic in the final episode meant things came full-circle for me, in a way. When I started my Dragon Ball journey back in 2000, it was when these two behemoths were fighting each other on Planet Namek. So to see them working together like this was surreal and nostalgic.
Also, when Goku said he'd defeat Freeza again if he tried anything, I loved that it showed the same group of characters that fought Freeza back on Namek in the first place!
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That's kind of a spoiler to me, but I'm excited to watch the episode! To be fair, Frieza and Goku make the best duo fighters IMO, since Vegeta is always trying to get ahead of Goku all the time, plus he never desires to work in a team.
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TrunksTrevelyan0064 wrote:Having this very dynamic in the final episode meant things came full-circle for me, in a way. When I started my Dragon Ball journey back in 2000, it was when these two behemoths were fighting each other on Planet Namek. So to see them working together like this was surreal and nostalgic.
I have to second this as someone who came to the Dragon Ball scene right before the confrontation between Freeza and the gang during Kai's run.
Honestly, did anyone ever expect this moment? The greatest villain of the series and the Hero fighting together at last.
This was so awesome.
You know, if you showed that scene to someone out of context, they'd probably think it was fanfic-y bullshit. "Goku and Freeza teaming up? Hah, what next, Gohan and Cell?" And yet it's a credit to the way this arc handled the two of them that we could get to this point and have it feel totally organic and believable.
They really have elevated the characterisation of Freeza and his relationship with Goku here. I never would have believed it if I hadn't seen it.
Honestly, did anyone ever expect this moment? The greatest villain of the series and the Hero fighting together at last.
This was so awesome.
You know, if you showed that scene to someone out of context, they'd probably think it was fanfic-y bullshit. "Goku and Freeza teaming up? Hah, what next, Gohan and Cell?" And yet it's a credit to the way this arc handled the two of them that we could get to this point and have it feel totally organic and believable.
They really have elevated the characterisation of Freeza and his relationship with Goku here. I never would have believed it if I hadn't seen it.
This is why ToP is the best arc in all of DB after Namek. Its fleshed out so many things organically.
sintzu wrote:What really made this scene for me was them having Goku be in his regular Ssj form, the form he used to previously take Freeza down. I cannot wait to see what they do with Freeza moving forward.
This ending could've really caused the fanbase to flip out but somehow they managed to get everything, even the smallest detail like the above right.
They also had Freeza in base so I am sure that was the point they were trying to make/homage to.
From the fantastic pre ToP Freeza stuff they didn't disappoint with what a lot of folks would have and did call a dumb plot point (Freeza being the last member) before we saw it develop.
It's odd yet so satisfying how in sync their fighting was against Jiren. Gave me feelings of Naruto and Sasuke vs Momoshiki in the Boruto movie watching it.
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