Inconstancy with Dragon Ball Super (Anime)

[BrolyLSSJ]

What are all the inconstancies you can find within the anime of Dragon Ball Super? (Mostly this does have to do with the level of power these characters have.)

[PFM18]

In regards to what you mentioned about inconsistencies as it pertains to the level of power the characters, (AKA power scaling) the only one that really comes to mind was how Future Trunks was handled in the Zamasu arc. His power seemed to be all over the place and he got exorbitantly strong in the time off-screen based on the precedent that was set by the level of training gains he had achieved we had seen from him before. Then, throughout the arc his power was portrayed inconsistently.

But yeah other than that I can't really think of anything off the top of my head.

[Lord Beerus]

You... uh... spelt "inconsistency" wrong.

Anyway, with regards to inconsistency regards to power levels, these were the major red flags for me:

- We had Beerus stating he used 10% of his power to withstand SSJ2 Raging Vegeta's assault in Episode 8. A statement that would be completely ignored for the rest of the series as Beerus' became moving goal post of power in every arc following Battle Of Gods.

- SSJ Future Trunks managing to hold his own and even fight back against SSJ Rose Goku Black and Zamasu in Episode 57. Two character who were as strong as SSJB Goku and Vegeta. SSJ Future Trunks wouldn't perform anywhere near as good as he did in Episode 57 until he got his new form in Episode 61.

- SSJB Goku managing to break through Merged Zamasu's Holy Wrath Episode 66 and damage half his face. That's despite the fact that SSJB Vegeta and SSJ Ikari Future Trunks, while fighting together, where only able to at best cancel out the same attack and not push it back or break through it like Goku did in the beam struggle.

- SSJ Ikari Future Trunks using a Genki Dama, composed of a few dozen humans, to cut through a powered up Zamasu despite SSJB Vegetto not managing to inflict even a scratch on him, before or after he bulked up in strength. Fused Zamasu even managed to no sell SSJB Vegetto Final Kamehameha.

- Piccolo's Chōbakuretsumaha not doing any damage to Base Goku in Episode 90, despite the fact that two episodes prior to that Piccolo was able to defeat and choke out SSJ2 Gohan with ease. And on top of that, in Episode 75, we see that Goku and Gohan, as Super Saiyans, are equal in strength.

- Pretty much any fight involving Ribrianne is a mess of power scaling. She gets hit the worst in the show in the strength department because it's literally a case of Depending on the Writer. In Episode 102 she fights evenly with SSJ Vegeta and then in Episode 103 she holds her own against #17. Then in Episode 109, Goku uses SSJB to take down a love fueld/powered up version of her. Fast forward to Episode 111 and Base Vegeta is on verge of jobbing her out. And in her final episode, Episode 117, she becomes a loved up/powered up giant monster and restrains #18, only for #18 to effortly defeat her with one punch. It's a mess.

- In Episode 131, Jiren manages to regain some strength and even Gohan notes how "incredible" his ki is. #17 struggles to hold off Jiren's aura despite his limitless energy and we even see Freeza lose his golden form just hold off Jiren's power. Despite this, an extremely fatigued Base Goku and Final Form were able to fight evenly to some degree with Jiren and eliminate him.

I'm not including instance like characters being caught off guard.

[Rakurai]

There are too many to list. But here are my Top 4:

1. Super Saiyan God. Specifically the first two sagas when we were led to initially believe the "Saiyan Beyond God" status, i.e. Goku & Vegeta becoming as strong as SSG in their base form. Then they retconned the hell out of that during U6 vs. U7 tournament, making base Goku & Vegeta as weak as they used to be in order to make SSJ forms still relevant. Then we find out Goku (& later Vegeta in the film!) could still turn SSG, effectively retconning the whole SSG-absorption ordeal.

2. Kale. Walks through SSB Kamehameha and ragdolls Blueku. Then her SSJ2 form (stated to be more powerful than her Berserk form by Tien, who admittedly is not the most reliable but still part of the narrative) only matches SSG Goku. This could be rectified if we are to believe Goku grew significantly stronger after his battle with Jiren, but it's still hard to swallow that post-Jiren SSG Goku > pre-Jiren SSB Goku, an entire transformation boost gap cleared in like less than 5 minutes' worth of in-universe time.

3. The SSJ3 Gotenks bullshit. Since it's filler, we can forget about this ever happening if we overlook a couple of inconsistencies in the dialogue by doing so.

4. Trunks. Guy was just a walking bag full of asspulls.

[SupremeKai25]

Future Trunks, definitely. In episde 48, his Super Saiyan 2 form was getting stomped by Goku Black in his base form and before the power boost he got by figthing Goku. Then in episode 56, somehow, he is able to kick Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black into a building. Later one, he somehow manages to achieve a new form (which nobody else has achieved, and that doesn't even have an actual name in the anime), and that form allows him to fight on-par and even overwhelm at times Super Saiyan Rosé? And then later on he is able to trade blows and vanquish Fused Zamasu, who is Rosé Goku Black + Future Zamasu (who were both kicking asses)? Absurd.

[Lord Beerus]

The SSJ3 Gotenks bullshit. Since it's filler, we can forget about this ever happening if we overlook a couple of inconsistencies in the dialogue by doing so.

It isn't filler. Goku mentions the events of Potaufeu in the Future Trunks arc.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I did commentaries on each episode as they came out, and I noted all the inconsistencies I saw. Unfortunately, most of those posts are lost now.

[Kaiza_Toshiyuki]

The SSJ3 Gotenks bullshit. Since it's filler, we can forget about this ever happening if we overlook a couple of inconsistencies in the dialogue by doing so.

It isn't filler. Goku mentions the events of Potaufeu in the Future Trunks arc.

Spoiler:

I saw this discussion and just putting this out there.

[Steven Bloodriver]

What are all the inconstancies you can find within the anime of Dragon Ball Super? (Mostly this does have to do with the level of power these characters have.)

The complete Dragon Ball Super series as a whole, it pales in comparison to Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT.

[ekrolo2]

Ki leaking IE auras are bad.... so we're just gonna keep using them!

[Kaiza_Toshiyuki]

What are all the inconstancies you can find within the anime of Dragon Ball Super? (Mostly this does have to do with the level of power these characters have.)

The complete Dragon Ball Super series as a whole, it pales in comparison to Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT.

That sounds less like an inconsistency, and more like your opinion.

[Steven Bloodriver]

What are all the inconstancies you can find within the anime of Dragon Ball Super? (Mostly this does have to do with the level of power these characters have.)

The complete Dragon Ball Super series as a whole, it pales in comparison to Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT.

That sounds less like an inconsistency, and more like your opinion.

The Dragon Ball Super series has so many more inconsistencies in it than all of the other ones shown separately from the Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT serieses combined.

[Spider-Man]

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This.

-Bergamo did not used his ability in 98.

-The bullshit stamina excuse.

-Captain Ginyu for some reason have Tagoma to said change to swap body even though in the flashback the ability works different.

[Kurakaio]

The complete Dragon Ball Super series as a whole, it pales in comparison to Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT.

That sounds less like an inconsistency, and more like your opinion.

The Dragon Ball Super series has so many more inconsistencies in it than all of the other ones shown separately from the Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT serieses combined.

To be fair, Super came out like 20 years later, while all of that was literally back to back.

[SupremeKai25]

Another inconsistency that bugged me a lot, but doesn't have to do with powerscaling: Frost is erased instantly for attempting to take part in the Tournament after his elimination (throwing a ki blast at Freeza), but when Krillin, Tien and Roshi literally do the same in the following episode (giving their energy to Goku), they get a free pass.

[Kaiza_Toshiyuki]

The complete Dragon Ball Super series as a whole, it pales in comparison to Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT.

That sounds less like an inconsistency, and more like your opinion.

The Dragon Ball Super series has so many more inconsistencies in it than all of the other ones shown separately from the Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT serieses combined.

I know that. We all know that. You should have made it clearer that you knew that because the way you worded it made it sound as if you simply though the previous series were superior.

Another inconsistency that bugged me a lot, but doesn't have to do with powerscaling: Frost is erased instantly for attempting to take part in the Tournament after his elimination (throwing a ki blast at Freeza), but when Krillin, Tien and Roshi literally do the same in the following episode (giving their energy to Goku), they get a free pass.

To be fair, Frost was trying to kill frieza. Krillin and Friends were giving their energy. Its two different things. And regardless if it was the same thing, He sees goku as a friend. I don´t think its inconsistent for him to bend the rules for Goku´s friends

[Lord Beerus]

A few more dishonorable mentions:

- In Episode 100, SSJ Berserker Kale walked through a Kamehameha from SSJB Goku, fast forward to Episode 114, and Controlled SSJ Berserker Kale, who is noted to be stronger than the Kale we see in Episode 100, can't do shit to a fatigued SSJG Goku.

- in Episode 127, after SSJB Evolution Vegeta blew himself up to cancel out Hakaishin Toppo's Hakai energy attack, it was noted that Vegeta had run out of energy at the end of the episode. Then at the beginning of the next episode Vegeta transforms into SSJB Evolution like nothing happened.

- In Episode 109, Goku managing to produce a giant Genki Dama, despite the fact that only 7 people contributed to it. And as we see in the Majin Boo, Goku needed to the energy of billion of people to get anywhere near the size or strength of the Genki Dama he needed to kill Kid Boo. And somehow, for the energy of 7 people, he mustered up a Genki Dama powerful enough that it would defeated Jiren, a character stronger a Hakaishin.

[ekrolo2]

Every instance in the last ToP chunk where characters are shitting out more and more ki for big, bombastic attacks and/or transformations which they really shouldn't have.

Remember when Goku firing off a no holds barred Kamehameha leaves him seriously winded in the Cell Games? Yeah, whys that not happening to basically everyone in the ToP?

[theherodjl]

How about DBS's inconsistency as a whole failing to properly line up with the final chapters of the original manga & anime's depiction of events? It goes from an inconsistency to full-on retcon of how the series originally ended, and rewrites GT as a side story. I'm wondering how continuity is going to make sense since they're shoehorning Broly into the mix, and Goku & Vegeta are now going to have to become stronger than their ToP selves to overwhelm him. Meanwhile, Oob's power is going to have to continue to rise in order to remain consistent in giving Base Goku some difficulty in their fight; Post-DBS Oob might end up being stronger than everyone in GT by the time Toriyama & Toei are done writing the current material.

[Kaiza_Toshiyuki]

Every instance in the last ToP chunk where characters are shitting out more and more ki for big, bombastic attacks and/or transformations which they really shouldn't have.

Remember when Goku firing off a no holds barred Kamehameha leaves him seriously winded in the Cell Games? Yeah, whys that not happening to basically everyone in the ToP?

This is a contradiction of the show itself, because remember when Goku and Vegeta couldn't turn SSJ Blue because they didn't have enough energy to do so. Why isn't this happening here?