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[Robo4900]

“Ocean dub” sounds much catchier than “the original edited dub”, especially when the former was what fans had already been accustomed to calling it for years.

Agreed, and I think Vollmer meant she was the first Bulma that most people were familiar with.

Besides that's more accurate then "original edited dub" as that's technically not even true since Harmony Gold came before them.

The Harmony Gold dub was also an original edited dub. There can be multiple.

Plus, the Saban dub is the only "original edited dub" of Z, which is what that box set covered.

Ocean dub still makes more sense.

It doesn't. Ocean's only involvement for most of the Saban dub was that they provided the recording studio. We don't call the Westwood Media dub the "Airwaves dub", or the BLT dub the "Dick & Rogers dub", and calling the Saban dub "The Ocean dub" is just as wrong as that. The actual producers of that dub were Funimation and Saban.

One other way to refer to it would be "The original Vancouver dub of DBZ", which is fine, because basically everything (the writing, the acting, the directing) was happening in Vancouver.

[Planetnamek]

“Ocean dub” sounds much catchier than “the original edited dub”, especially when the former was what fans had already been accustomed to calling it for years.

Agreed, and I think Vollmer meant she was the first Bulma that most people were familiar with.

Besides that's more accurate then "original edited dub" as that's technically not even true since Harmony Gold came before them.

The Harmony Gold dub was also an original edited dub. There can be multiple.

Plus, the Saban dub is the only "original edited dub" of Z, which is what that box set covered.

Ocean dub still makes more sense.

It doesn't. Ocean's only involvement for most of the Saban dub was that they provided the recording studio. We don't call the Westwood Media dub the "Airwaves dub", or the BLT dub the "Dick & Rogers dub", and calling the Saban dub "The Ocean dub" is just as wrong as that. The actual producers of that dub were Funimation and Saban.

One other way to refer to it would be "The original Vancouver dub of DBZ", which is fine, because basically everything (the writing, the acting, the directing) was happening in Vancouver.

Well that's what most fans called it, so what'r you gonna do? Calling it the "Vancouver dub" is just going to make the average fan scratch their head in confusion.

[MasenkoHA]

At the end of the day it’s Funimation’s dub. They were in charge of production and post-production. They made use of Ocean Group’s recording studios, they hired the Vancouver voice actors. Funimation’s Barry Watson directed the Ocean actors and was in charge of the overall direction the dub took. Funimation hired the writers who continued to write after the cast change (funny enough Terry Klassen and Ward Perry joined the staff after the Texas takeover)

Calling it the Ocean dub is a misnomer. The 1996 dub, the syndicated dub, or the original edited dub are all more accurate than the Ocean dub


Shoot, even calling it the Saban dub, while still super misleading makes more sense since their draconian censorship had a huge impact on the overall product and most of what people remember about it

[Kakacarrottop]

“Ocean dub” sounds much catchier than “the original edited dub”, especially when the former was what fans had already been accustomed to calling it for years.

Agreed, and I think Vollmer meant she was the first Bulma that most people were familiar with.

Besides that's more accurate then "original edited dub" as that's technically not even true since Harmony Gold came before them.

The Harmony Gold dub was also an original edited dub. There can be multiple.

Plus, the Saban dub is the only "original edited dub" of Z, which is what that box set covered.

Ocean dub still makes more sense.

It doesn't. Ocean's only involvement for most of the Saban dub was that they provided the recording studio. We don't call the Westwood Media dub the "Airwaves dub", or the BLT dub the "Dick & Rogers dub", and calling the Saban dub "The Ocean dub" is just as wrong as that. The actual producers of that dub were Funimation and Saban.

One other way to refer to it would be "The original Vancouver dub of DBZ", which is fine, because basically everything (the writing, the acting, the directing) was happening in Vancouver.

Plus, people also refer to the Westwood dub as the "Ocean dub", so it's not like it creates less confusion or anything. I've heard people on Youtube say that the Saban era dub only ever aired in Canada, and that the music was recycled from Mega Man, since in their mind it's the same production, when in reality they are completely separate, and nearly three years removed from each other.

I'll always call it the Saban dub. That's the only DBZ-related thing they were ever involved with, so it's by far the most convenient moniker.

[Planetnamek]

At the end of the day it’s Funimation’s dub. They were in charge of production and post-production. They made use of Ocean Group’s recording studios, they hired the Vancouver voice actors. Funimation’s Barry Watson directed the Ocean actors and was in charge of the overall direction the dub took. Funimation hired the writers who continued to write after the cast change (funny enough Terry Klassen and Ward Perry joined the staff after the Texas takeover)

Calling it the Ocean dub is a misnomer. The 1996 dub, the syndicated dub, or the original edited dub are all more accurate than the Ocean dub


Shoot, even calling it the Saban dub, while still super misleading makes more sense since their draconian censorship had a huge impact on the overall product and most of what people remember about it

Of course it's their dub, no one's arguing that, it's just that at this point the nick-name "Ocean Dub" is so associated with that portion of the series that there's really nothing else they could call it on DVD that wouldn't confuse average fans.

[MasenkoHA]

At the end of the day it’s Funimation’s dub. They were in charge of production and post-production. They made use of Ocean Group’s recording studios, they hired the Vancouver voice actors. Funimation’s Barry Watson directed the Ocean actors and was in charge of the overall direction the dub took. Funimation hired the writers who continued to write after the cast change (funny enough Terry Klassen and Ward Perry joined the staff after the Texas takeover)

Calling it the Ocean dub is a misnomer. The 1996 dub, the syndicated dub, or the original edited dub are all more accurate than the Ocean dub


Shoot, even calling it the Saban dub, while still super misleading makes more sense since their draconian censorship had a huge impact on the overall product and most of what people remember about it

Of course it's their dub, no one's arguing that, it's just that at this point the nick-name "Ocean Dub" is so associated with that portion of the series that there's really nothing else they could call it on DVD that wouldn't confuse average fans.

The original Toonami dub, which is how they advertised it as ( nevermind they’re missing the portion voiced by their local talent and that the dub started on Toonami in 1998 not 1996)

The fact that they left out episodes 54-276 despite “this is what you watched on Toonami” being a major part of the marketing and refer to it as the Ocean dub all point to Funimation trying to distant themselves from this dub.

[Planetnamek]

At the end of the day it’s Funimation’s dub. They were in charge of production and post-production. They made use of Ocean Group’s recording studios, they hired the Vancouver voice actors. Funimation’s Barry Watson directed the Ocean actors and was in charge of the overall direction the dub took. Funimation hired the writers who continued to write after the cast change (funny enough Terry Klassen and Ward Perry joined the staff after the Texas takeover)

Calling it the Ocean dub is a misnomer. The 1996 dub, the syndicated dub, or the original edited dub are all more accurate than the Ocean dub


Shoot, even calling it the Saban dub, while still super misleading makes more sense since their draconian censorship had a huge impact on the overall product and most of what people remember about it

Of course it's their dub, no one's arguing that, it's just that at this point the nick-name "Ocean Dub" is so associated with that portion of the series that there's really nothing else they could call it on DVD that wouldn't confuse average fans.

The original Toonami dub, which is how they advertised it as ( nevermind they’re missing the portion voiced by their local talent and that the dub started on Toonami in 1998 not 1996)

The fact that they left out episodes 54-276 despite “this is what you watched on Toonami” being a major part of the marketing and refer to it as the Ocean dub all point to Funimation trying to distant themselves from this dub.

Not really, because as another user mentioned the liner notes explicitly go into detail about DBZ's syndication broadcast history, if they were trying to distance themselves why include those notes?

[Cure Dragon 255]

Agreed, and I think Vollmer meant she was the first Bulma that most people were familiar with.

Besides that's more accurate then "original edited dub" as that's technically not even true since Harmony Gold came before them.

The Harmony Gold dub was also an original edited dub. There can be multiple.

Plus, the Saban dub is the only "original edited dub" of Z, which is what that box set covered.

Ocean dub still makes more sense.

It doesn't. Ocean's only involvement for most of the Saban dub was that they provided the recording studio. We don't call the Westwood Media dub the "Airwaves dub", or the BLT dub the "Dick & Rogers dub", and calling the Saban dub "The Ocean dub" is just as wrong as that. The actual producers of that dub were Funimation and Saban.

One other way to refer to it would be "The original Vancouver dub of DBZ", which is fine, because basically everything (the writing, the acting, the directing) was happening in Vancouver.

Plus, people also refer to the Westwood dub as the "Ocean dub", so it's not like it creates less confusion or anything. I've heard people on Youtube say that the Saban era dub only ever aired in Canada, and that the music was recycled from Mega Man, since in their mind it's the same production, when in reality they are completely separate, and nearly three years removed from each other.

I'll always call it the Saban dub. That's the only DBZ-related thing they were ever involved with, so it's by far the most convenient moniker.

Remember Vortexx and the Android Saga of DBZKai. That was Saban too.

[MasenkoHA]

Remember Vortexx and the Android Saga of DBZKai. That was Saban too.

Saban owned Vortexx but they had no direct involvement with the dub. The Kai dub’s edits were based on FCC regulations and the CW network’s BS&P.

As opposed to the 1996-1998 dub where Saban was responsible for getting the show on tv and telling Funimation what they could and couldn’t do.

[Cure Dragon 255]

BASED ON, yes, because those are the rules they followed. Who did the actual edits then? Remember that additional edits were required to have it air on The CW.

I know it was probably 4K Media but its even moer likely that it was Saban.

[MasenkoHA]

BASED ON, yes, because those are the rules they followed. Who did the actual edits then? Remember that additional edits were required to have it air on The CW.

I know it was probably 4K Media but its even moer likely that it was Saban.

Yes, Saban was demanding the edits despite not even owning the programming block when the dub started airing there

[Cure Dragon 255]

Look how I said ANDROID saga. They bought the block and the rights to air DBZKai on their block. There was a lead time from the announcement of the sale to Saban to the actual premiere so that edits could be made.

Also,while I am talking to you, the guy I actually responded to didnt have such an airtight statement. Saban was involved in airing DBZ Kai. That much is undeniable.

[MasenkoHA]

It was the same type of edits being made before Saban purchased the block: Shenron too scurry for kids to see in the OP, kill and die are no no words, dead bodies breathe air, Popo is feeling blue, halos are controversial etc etc.

DBZ 1996-1998 syndicated dub

Produced by Funimation. Distributed in syndication by Saban. Funimation edited the show to conform to Saban’s standards well before the FCC or any network took a look at it. Saban also put togetber the new theme and score per Funimation’s request to have original music to make royalties off of it


Dragon Ball Z Kai. CW version

Produced by Funimation. Funimation themselves were responsible for getting a deal to air it on Toonzai which eventually became Vortexx. Funimation edited the show to conform to FCC regulations and CW’s BS&P. Nothing about the type of edits made changed from when 4K owned the block to when Saban owned the block. They were answering to the same BS&P

[Cure Dragon 255]

4kids edited the show when it was on The CW. They took the Nicktoons footage of episodes 1 to 52 and edited them. Funimation lost all experience editing. The Nicktoons edits were by Ocean. They were way more competent at editing than 4kids ever was. That is why the CW edits look so freaking crappy.

EDIT:And Saban either had 4kids edit episodes 53 to the end of Kai 1.0 or they did the edits themselves.

This discussion is already meaningless because I was right. Saban did air DBZ Kai on their block and before you butted in that was my whole argument.

[Robo4900]

Dragon Ball Z Kai. CW version

Produced by Funimation. Funimation themselves were responsible for getting a deal to air it on Toonzai which eventually became Vortexx. Funimation edited the show to conform to FCC regulations and CW’s BS&P. Nothing about the type of edits made changed from when 4K owned the block to when Saban owned the block. They were answering to the same BS&P

Whoever edited the CW version actually edited it based on the already-existing edited version that Ocean produced for their own dub, which Funimation licensed, and put their dub on (with some alternate lines used for those that, according to the FCC, are not TV-safe) for NickToons. The Ocean edit still had racist Popo, still had the dragon, etc., but the CW version, for some reason, was heavily edited, featuring blue Popo and various other changes.

[MasenkoHA]

Dragon Ball Z Kai. CW version

Produced by Funimation. Funimation themselves were responsible for getting a deal to air it on Toonzai which eventually became Vortexx. Funimation edited the show to conform to FCC regulations and CW’s BS&P. Nothing about the type of edits made changed from when 4K owned the block to when Saban owned the block. They were answering to the same BS&P

Whoever edited the CW version actually edited it based on the already-existing edited version that Ocean produced for their own dub, which Funimation licensed, and put their dub on (with some alternate lines used for those that, according to the FCC, are not TV-safe) for NickToons. The Ocean edit still had racist Popo, still had the dragon, etc., but the CW version, for some reason, was heavily edited, featuring blue Popo and various other changes.

The Ocean edit=Nicktoons version correct?

[Robo4900]

Dragon Ball Z Kai. CW version

Produced by Funimation. Funimation themselves were responsible for getting a deal to air it on Toonzai which eventually became Vortexx. Funimation edited the show to conform to FCC regulations and CW’s BS&P. Nothing about the type of edits made changed from when 4K owned the block to when Saban owned the block. They were answering to the same BS&P

Whoever edited the CW version actually edited it based on the already-existing edited version that Ocean produced for their own dub, which Funimation licensed, and put their dub on (with some alternate lines used for those that, according to the FCC, are not TV-safe) for NickToons. The Ocean edit still had racist Popo, still had the dragon, etc., but the CW version, for some reason, was heavily edited, featuring blue Popo and various other changes.

The Ocean edit=Nicktoons version correct?

I did say that, yes.

Ocean made their edit of the show, and sent their edited master to Funimation. Funimation put their voices on it and sent it to NickToons. Popo was still his original racist design here.

An unknown entity then took the NickToons edit and edited it further for airing on theCW, most notably turning Popo blue.

[AlexSketchy04]

Remember Vortexx and the Android Saga of DBZKai. That was Saban too.

Saban owned Vortexx but they had no direct involvement with the dub. The Kai dub’s edits were based on FCC regulations and the CW network’s BS&P.

As opposed to the 1996-1998 dub where Saban was responsible for getting the show on tv and telling Funimation what they could and couldn’t do.

I don't think Saban was the one that had standards for their dubs....

I could be anything outside of them (Some tv stations wanting the show to be more sanitized)

Because.... come on, Digimon can show more violence and death on it's dub, than what DBZ got under Saban

[MasenkoHA]

Remember Vortexx and the Android Saga of DBZKai. That was Saban too.

Saban owned Vortexx but they had no direct involvement with the dub. The Kai dub’s edits were based on FCC regulations and the CW network’s BS&P.

As opposed to the 1996-1998 dub where Saban was responsible for getting the show on tv and telling Funimation what they could and couldn’t do.

I don't think Saban was the one that had standards for their dubs....

I could be anything outside of them (Some tv stations wanting the show to be more sanitized)

Because.... come on, Digimon can show more violence and death on it's dub, than what DBZ got under Saban

It was confirmed the heavy duty censorship for DBZ during the Saban days was because of Saban. Digimon was most likely more lax because

1. It aired in 1999/2000 where Saban was relaxing their standards(I seem to remember Power Rangers getting away with on screen child murder and suicide bomber insects the same year?) but in 1996 Mighty Morphin Power Rangers getting banned in some counties and being complained about by media watchdog groups was relatively recent which probably influence Saban being harsher on DBZ)

2. The violence (like 99 percent of it) in Digimon happens to Digimon read; non humans. And Saban didn’t seem to have an issue with that. They let the Saiyans get brutal on the arlians, they show the Saiyans eating the cricket aliens things at whatever planet they just conquered when receiving Raditz transmission, they keep in Gohan’s dinosaur friend having a bloody wound, and later getting eaten by a bigger dinosaur.

[AlexSketchy04]

Saban owned Vortexx but they had no direct involvement with the dub. The Kai dub’s edits were based on FCC regulations and the CW network’s BS&P.

As opposed to the 1996-1998 dub where Saban was responsible for getting the show on tv and telling Funimation what they could and couldn’t do.

I don't think Saban was the one that had standards for their dubs....

I could be anything outside of them (Some tv stations wanting the show to be more sanitized)

Because.... come on, Digimon can show more violence and death on it's dub, than what DBZ got under Saban

It was confirmed the heavy duty censorship for DBZ during the Saban days was because of Saban. Digimon was most likely more lax because

1. It aired in 1999/2000 where Saban was relaxing their standards(I seem to remember Power Rangers getting away with on screen child murder and suicide bomber insects the same year?) but in 1996 Mighty Morphin Power Rangers getting banned in some counties and being complained about by media watchdog groups was relatively recent which probably influence Saban being harsher on DBZ)

2. The violence (like 99 percent of it) in Digimon happens to Digimon read; non humans. And Saban didn’t seem to have an issue with that. They let the Saiyans get brutal on the arlians, they show the Saiyans eating the cricket aliens things at whatever planet they just conquered when receiving Raditz transmission, they keep in Gohan’s dinosaur friend having a bloody wound, and later getting eaten by a bigger dinosaur.

I... kinda get it... but it doesn't really make sense why they allowed the first 3 episodes run uncut with their standards (Death, Kill, etc)

I'm sure something must have happened to make their standards more strict

But at the same time, the explanation kinda makes sense