TheSaiyanGod wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:19 pm
Jack Bz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:49 am
Definitely agree with this. It's the most irrelevant transformation of all Dragon Ball. Every instance of super saiyan blue in all mediums could have just been SSG easily without negatively effecting much at all. Where people stand generally revolves around how they like the design rather than if the form was necessary.
I know some people really don't like SSB, but that's far from the truth. SSJ grade 2 and 3 take the place by a loong shot (literally the most useless form in the series that was never mentioned or shown again).
SSJ3 doesn't have half the screen time or relevance of Blue, and God literally disappears after its introduction. And all these forms have much worse track records. SSB, at the very least, had concepts built on top of the transformation (Blue Kaioken, God-Blue switch, Mastered SSB and Evolved Blue), which honestly is more than most forms in this series.
I disagree, and I don't think what you're saying addresses my overall point at all if you are bringing up screen time for arguments on why a form is relevant, though maybe it's my usage of irrelevant that is incorrect. Screen time and number of uses doesn't really matter here because of course blue will beat out those other transformations just due to the fact that it's been the strongest transformation for the longest duration of Dragon Ball's modern revival. I am saying the need to introduce the form instead of using super saiyan god wasn't necessary for any narrative function of RoF, and most of the latter developments of blue could have also been applied to god as well.
A transformation being useless doesn't mean it is irrelevant to the story. SSJ grade 2 and 3 play a role in the story that couldn't be played by SSJ. In fact they are basically introduced to highlight the fact that SSJ was the superior and more balanced transformation and that Goku is a fighting genius and teacher a step above Vegeta and Trunks, who realises that honing the form they have is better than trying to just overcharge it.
SSJ3 played a massive role in the Boo arc: it was a red herring whenever it appeared and, despite being insanely strong, always fails. Its usage drastically altered the story when other transformations wouldn't have, such as draining all of Goku's remaining time on earth. It was used to show that, contrary to the previous 2 arcs, a new super saiyan form won't be the answer this time, so they will need a new method. It is also the catalyst that makes Vegeta finally come to terms with the fact that Goku is better than him, and concludes his arc. Whether you like the form is another thing, but right from its introduction it has fundamentally different traits and story applications compared to what transformations came before it.
Super saiyan blue wasn't really any different from super saiyan god when it was introduced. There even used to be confusion/discussion about if it was stronger than regular super saiyan god before Super. Blue kaioken could have easily been God kaioken, same with blue complete being God complete. They elaborated on various aspects of Blue without exploring God at all. I think it sticks out like a sore thumb when you apply the narrative reasons other transformations were introduced (except SSBE which I wasn't really thinking of, and is the worst of the bunch)