The Unspoken "Law" of Potara (?).
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The Unspoken "Law" of Potara (?).
I've been meaning to ask, there's no actual reason for the Potara fusion to take the "Kakarot" name other than to make a differentiation in regards to Gogeta. But then enters Merged Zamasu, a fusion between two very different characters in name and appearance, and yet, the result is a fused character that even one who doesn't know much could argue it's the result of two fusees being one and the same, in name and appearance.
It's as if the Potara ignores the name "Goku Black" and his appearance and goes for a Zamasu and Zamasu fusion. Hence the name "Merged Zamasu", not "Gokusu", "Zamaku". Or even "Kakasu", "Zamarotto". On top of that, his voice is one person talking in echo form, instead of two people talking simultaneously.
So, do you think Potara ignores what's not the "real deal" and goes for what actually is? Could it be that the reason it takes the "Kakarot" name is because that's Goku's real name and Merged Zamasu being the way he is because in reality it is indeed a fusion between two Zamasus instead of one Zamasu and a Saiyan named "Goku Black"?
And if this is the case, why hasn't this been acknowledged yet in any official capacity?
It's as if the Potara ignores the name "Goku Black" and his appearance and goes for a Zamasu and Zamasu fusion. Hence the name "Merged Zamasu", not "Gokusu", "Zamaku". Or even "Kakasu", "Zamarotto". On top of that, his voice is one person talking in echo form, instead of two people talking simultaneously.
So, do you think Potara ignores what's not the "real deal" and goes for what actually is? Could it be that the reason it takes the "Kakarot" name is because that's Goku's real name and Merged Zamasu being the way he is because in reality it is indeed a fusion between two Zamasus instead of one Zamasu and a Saiyan named "Goku Black"?
And if this is the case, why hasn't this been acknowledged yet in any official capacity?
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Re: The Unspoken "Law" of Potara (?).
I can’t help but toss an out-of-universe of explanation into the mix: both "Gogeta" AND "Veku" were already taken in DBZ movie 12, which left Toriyama in a pickle.
We also know that there was the potential to have named what we know as "Vegetto" as "Gogeta" until the last minute, so maybe… I dunno? Fusions ONLY have one name? Regardless of fusion method? Until they didn’t? We don’t have a Potara equivalent of Gotenks to know if HE WOULD identify as "Trunten"…!
I like your theory about "real" names contributing to a Potara name. As for why it has not been officially explained that way if so, well, they haven’t done guidebooks in the time since. No worthwhile place to explain it that way (or, more likely, and in line with prior guidebook "explanations,” propose it rhetorically back at the reader).
We also know that there was the potential to have named what we know as "Vegetto" as "Gogeta" until the last minute, so maybe… I dunno? Fusions ONLY have one name? Regardless of fusion method? Until they didn’t? We don’t have a Potara equivalent of Gotenks to know if HE WOULD identify as "Trunten"…!
I like your theory about "real" names contributing to a Potara name. As for why it has not been officially explained that way if so, well, they haven’t done guidebooks in the time since. No worthwhile place to explain it that way (or, more likely, and in line with prior guidebook "explanations,” propose it rhetorically back at the reader).
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Re: The Unspoken "Law" of Potara (?).
I've always liked the theory that Vegetto is more Vegeta (In contrast to Gogeta being more Goku) so he prefers to call Goku by his birth name instead.
Your theory makes me wonder about one thing... If Goku and Gohan did fuse with the Potara, what would be their name? I've seen "Gok(u)han" and "Kuhan" thrown around, but it would probably be something with Kakarotto instead. Kakahan? Gorotto?
Your theory makes me wonder about one thing... If Goku and Gohan did fuse with the Potara, what would be their name? I've seen "Gok(u)han" and "Kuhan" thrown around, but it would probably be something with Kakarotto instead. Kakahan? Gorotto?
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It can get worse, what if we'll ever get Goku + Goku or Vegeta + Vegeta in the SDBH anime?
I'll admit that I'd be curious to see how SSB + SSJ4 would look, though, but that's beyond the scope of this topic.
I'll admit that I'd be curious to see how SSB + SSJ4 would look, though, but that's beyond the scope of this topic.
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There's the argument that if there are "Gogeta" and "Vegetto", then there's no reason to think the Potara fusion of Goten and Trunks would still be called "Gotenks" (and, of course, there's marketability to consider). It baffles me in unimaginable levels that "Trunten" hasn't seen the light of day in any shape or form yet. We even got a game all about fusions along the way but they managed to miss that opportunity.VegettoEX wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:41 amWe also know that there was the potential to have named what we know as "Vegetto" as "Gogeta" until the last minute, so maybe… I dunno? Fusions ONLY have one name? Regardless of fusion method? Until they didn’t? We don’t have a Potara equivalent of Gotenks to know if HE WOULD identify as "Trunten"…!
There was Gogeta in Dragon Ball Super Broly. I always thought he could have said something about this, but of course they went for the casual and simple way of doing things. I mean, they went out of their way to say Freeza doesn't know about fusion, I'm sure addressing this wouldn't be too far-fetched or anything.VegettoEX wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:41 amI like your theory about "real" names contributing to a Potara name. As for why it has not been officially explained that way if so, well, they haven’t done guidebooks in the time since. No worthwhile place to explain it that way (or, more likely, and in line with prior guidebook "explanations,” propose it rhetorically back at the reader).
Yeah, people often use those names and in my head I was always like "no, a Potara fusion between Goku and Gohan would not have those names" (yes, I have this thing with me ever since Merged Zamasu appeared, but only now I decided to create thread for it, go figure). Of course, because it isn't confirmed, I've always kept to myself, but I'm pretty sure all Potara fusions with Goku would take the "Kakarot" name instead due to this "unspoken law".GreatSaiyaman123 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 12:10 pmYour theory makes me wonder about one thing... If Goku and Gohan did fuse with the Potara, what would be their name? I've seen "Gok(u)han" and "Kuhan" thrown around, but it would probably be something with Kakarotto instead. Kakahan? Gorotto?
If I'm right and it's the Potara, the name would be "Merged Vegeta" and "Merged Kakarot". With one voice overlapping onto itself.
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Gogeta and Vegito are two different fused beings, one born by mortal fusion method, another born by Divine fusion method. It is logical that they have different names, as they are beings born from very different means (Metamoran mortal vs. Potara Divine). Metamoran fusion between Caulifla and Kale wouldn't be named Kefla and Potara fusion between Trunks and Goten wouldn't be named Gotenks.
It makes sense that Fused Zamasu is called only "Zamasu" and that he only speaks with one voice (with echo effect added) because Goku Black is Zamasu. His mind and soul are those of Zamasu, his main form, Super Saiyan Rosé, derives from his identity as Zamasu. He refers to himself as Zamasu and he is called "Goku Black" only by ignorant mortals who do not know his true identity, like Future Bulma.
Even various characters refer to Fused Zamasu as a singular entity, not a merged being... Fused Zamasu himself refers to himself as the merging between two "powers", not two "people", and Vegito addresses Zamasu like he's only person... because that's what he is. Goku Black is Zamasu and so the fused being is just Zamasu merging with himself. This is a unique case derived from timeline split, Gowasu even acknowledges that it is unbelievable that Zamasu merged with himself. Fused Zamasu is a unique case, the timeline split resulted in the existence of two Zamases in the same era, who could merge together. This is obviously the outlier and not the norm.
It makes sense that Fused Zamasu is called only "Zamasu" and that he only speaks with one voice (with echo effect added) because Goku Black is Zamasu. His mind and soul are those of Zamasu, his main form, Super Saiyan Rosé, derives from his identity as Zamasu. He refers to himself as Zamasu and he is called "Goku Black" only by ignorant mortals who do not know his true identity, like Future Bulma.
Even various characters refer to Fused Zamasu as a singular entity, not a merged being... Fused Zamasu himself refers to himself as the merging between two "powers", not two "people", and Vegito addresses Zamasu like he's only person... because that's what he is. Goku Black is Zamasu and so the fused being is just Zamasu merging with himself. This is a unique case derived from timeline split, Gowasu even acknowledges that it is unbelievable that Zamasu merged with himself. Fused Zamasu is a unique case, the timeline split resulted in the existence of two Zamases in the same era, who could merge together. This is obviously the outlier and not the norm.
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Re: The Unspoken "Law" of Potara (?).
I always thought Goku, once he merged with Vegeta's saiyan pride, might start going by his saiyan name. Hence, the fusion name is Kakarotto + Vegeta.
As for Goku Black, it's obvious that was just a nickname given to him, not his real identity. Merged Zamasu makes sense.
As for Goku Black, it's obvious that was just a nickname given to him, not his real identity. Merged Zamasu makes sense.
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What would Tenshinhan and Gokus name be?
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Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
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Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
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Tengoku is too good of a name for them to not use that
she/they.
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Dunno, I kinda like Tenshinotto.
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Re: The Unspoken "Law" of Potara (?).
But "Goku Black" is just a nickname created by Trunks? His name is still Zamasu. I would erase "Merged" from the fusion name, because it sounds stupid.
I'd call them Ggookkuu and Vveeggeettaa just to piss off the fandom.
We'd get a stupid name like "Merged Zamasu": Merged Goku and Merged Vegeta.
I'd call them Ggookkuu and Vveeggeettaa just to piss off the fandom.
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Re: The Unspoken "Law" of Potara (?).
He is called "Fused Zamasu" to distinguish him from Normal, Unfused Zamasu in videogames and merchandise. In the actual Story, everyone simply calls him "Zamasu", including himself.Trouser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 7:05 pm But "Goku Black" is just a nickname created by Trunks? His name is still Zamasu. I would erase "Merged" from the fusion name, because it sounds stupid.
We'd get a stupid name like "Merged Zamasu": Merged Goku and Merged Vegeta.
I'd call them Ggookkuu and Vveeggeettaa just to piss off the fandom.
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Yeah, I guess I should have specified, he's called "Merged Zamasu" for the reasons stated above. But the point stands, a fusion between Goku Black and Zamasu, via Potara, is called "Zamasu", instead of one of the names I proposed above.
I do think that if Goku Black and Zamasu were to perform the Metamoru fusion, the name would be one of those mentioned and we would hear Masako Nozawa/Goku Black voice, as well as having more Goku Black's features.
I do think that if Goku Black and Zamasu were to perform the Metamoru fusion, the name would be one of those mentioned and we would hear Masako Nozawa/Goku Black voice, as well as having more Goku Black's features.